Where is Garrett right now?

I agree it would be a great selling point, but I disagree it's going to find more treasure and less trash. Reason being, AI is only as good as the source information, and the source information is too crude and random, for AI to introduce any value.

I hope I'm wrong about that, but I really don't think I am.
Rings, for the most part, all have a very similar footprint as far as size. Foil & canslaw are all over the place in size. While I believe density and mass would play a more important role in telling a possible ring from aluminum, size would increase the odds.
 
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I think I'm going to buy the Apex. It's on sale with wireless headphones and a pinpointer for 550 at kellyco. Will consider new garrett detector next year if it comes out. For what and where I detect the Apex is a nice upgrade for me.
 
I think I'm going to buy the Apex. It's on sale with wireless headphones and a pinpointer for 550 at kellyco. Will consider new garrett detector next year if it comes out. For what and where I detect the Apex is a nice upgrade for me.
the price of the Apex is what keeps stopping me from actually purchasing one, for almost the same price you can purchase the Legend which from everything I have seen is a much better choice
 
I think I'm going to buy the Apex. It's on sale with wireless headphones and a pinpointer for 550 at kellyco. Will consider new garrett detector next year if it comes out. For what and where I detect the Apex is a nice upgrade for me.

https://bigboyshobbies.net/legend-nokta-makro-metal-detector

or you could go this route

https://bigboyshobbies.net/nokta-double-score

The Double Score is the route I would go i already have three Legends
 
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The pinpointer is why I like that kellyco deal. I don't need any of that other stuff, but my wife and kids can use the old treefity and my minelab pinpointer lol.

Plus has viper coil.
 
The pinpointer is why I like that kellyco deal. I don't need any of that other stuff, but my wife and kids can use the old treefity and my minelab pinpointer lol.

Plus has viper coil.
Hey brother you have to do what you feel is best for you

have you thought about talking to one of the sponsors on here and ask them what kind of a deal they can put together for you including a pin pointer

I know Bart (big Boys Hobbies) is one of the sponsors of Friendly and everything I have heard and read about him he is a great person to deal with you might try giving him a phone call
 
I think there are still a lot of new tech features yet to be exploited. A.I. being the next. A detector that can sense the environment and make the best adjustments for the best performance with the push of a pad. Many experienced detectorists won't see much value, thinking they can outsmart any computer, but for all the new detectorists, what a great selling point. That and ergonomics. Deus still has no competition in that area in my opinion.

We can always hope Garrett pushes the limits on imaging tech for metal detecting. They have the best jump I think The GTI series was all about sizing which is going to be the first big key in useful imaging tech.
I hope your right about the A.I.. The problem is I doubt any detector company is investing in it right now. It's still kind of new and training an A.I. to find and distinguish between metals along with determining good vs. bad targets would be a monumental undertaking. I don't think a ChatGPT large language model is going to help you in that endeavor. I see it being years before any detector company jumps on that bandwagon. A.I. will be ubiquitous in our daily lives before that happens. Meaning we will all probably have a personal robot to swing our detectors and dig our targets before we see an A.I. installed in a detector.
 
I hope your right about the A.I.. The problem is I doubt any detector company is investing in it right now. It's still kind of new and training an A.I. to find and distinguish between metals along with determining good vs. bad targets would be a monumental undertaking. I don't think a ChatGPT large language model is going to help you in that endeavor. I see it being years before any detector company jumps on that bandwagon. A.I. will be ubiquitous in our daily lives before that happens. Meaning we will all probably have a personal robot to swing our detectors and dig our targets before we see an A.I. installed in a detector.
I think a lot of people don't understand the potential of AI. I have spent the last 40 years as a computer guy and even helped develop many applications probably being used by you today including A.I. In another discussion, I see comparing tones and VDI. Just as an example, yes, a computer algorithm would see a huge difference between a VDI of say 21 and 22. Tone-wise, there are many that most never hear. Lots of harmonics. AI could easily distinguish the many sub-tones/currents and determine how they factor into the possible ID of the target. It could see a 21.556 vs a 21.525 that you would most likely never hear, and the VDI will never show.

Take the Minelab Manticore 2D screen for example. Each pixel has a number. If that pixel number is sent a 1 instead of the default 0, it turns from white to black. When you run a target over the coil you may see a solid VDI of13 every time but that display doesn't just light up 1 pixel, it gets a "smear" because it is getting many returning frequencies being processed and turning on and off pixels as it processes the signal. Way to much information for the human to analyze, but AI could in realtime see thousands of changes in the frequency in realtime and make a much better informed decision on what it might be.

Most detectors take the returning signals after processing and instead of displaying a VDI of actual processed frequencies, they are compressed and rounded up or down to a simple 2 digit number missing a lot of information the audio could have. Unfortunately, many detectors also copress the audio down to a more simple tone missing a lot of useful information.

That is why I say the D2, and a few others, in my opinion, give the user more audio information than most detectors. You can choose to hear the processed signal as a compressed version if you set it to 2, 3, 4, or 5 tones. This is the normal for most other detectors. It compresses all the audio to a more simplified form. I suppose it is to make the tones more pleasant? On the D2 in Full Tones or Pitch, you get the full spectrum. It gives the audio that zippy tone which I hate, but realize I can use it to make a more informed decision on a target.

AI could do calculations, like seeing a target and then looking at all the surrounding possible influences on that target to make a much more informed decision on what it could be. Who knows yet what AI could possibly do for the EMI issues we face today? I would not be a bit surprised to find that AI could filter out EMI completely and behind the scenes that you would not even need to know about. Saltwater and highly mineralized soil a thing of the past? Yes, very possible.

I think AI's biggest possible contribution today would be a fully automated detector that even someone new to detecting could get the full potential right out of the box.

I see endless possibilities where AI could advance the hobby, but then I know what it can do after a lot of years working with it.
 
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Garrett usually makes detectors that are fun and easy to use, i.e. the Ace SF series, Apex and AT series, that allow one to get out there and hunt without a lot of fiddling with settings. I have several hundred hours on the Apex, and still hunt with it and the D2. The Apex does a decent job in most situations, once learned. The D2 is obviously more capable, and has the complexity of many settings to adjust, which is both good and bad and expected; one pays a lot more $ for the performance and flexibility of the D2.

Some detectorists comment on the high price of the Apex, but at the time it was released, I believe it was the only other SMF detector besides ML offerings, and the Apex was priced below most of them. Since the offerings from Nokta and the release of the ML Xterra Pro, the Apex now seems lacking for the $ cost. I was hoping like others, that Garrett would update the Apex with a some of the settings requested; so far nothing new in over 2 yrs. Some firmware changes would make the Apex more of a contender considering those other offerings available at lower cost. It's still not too late to update the Apex firmware with a few more features before the next product roll out.

Lets hope the new Garrett detector will incorporate some more advanced settings, but keep the same fun factor, ease of use, ergonomics of the Apex, build quality with water proof capability of the AT series.

Bring it on, Garrett.
 
Garrett usually makes detectors that are fun and easy to use, i.e. the Ace SF series, Apex and AT series, that allow one to get out there and hunt without a lot of fiddling with settings. I have several hundred hours on the Apex, and still hunt with it and the D2. The Apex does a decent job in most situations, once learned. The D2 is obviously more capable, and has the complexity of many settings to adjust, which is both good and bad and expected; one pays a lot more $ for the performance and flexibility of the D2.
I have to agree on that. Having too many bells and whistles and how to utilize them often times will prevent you from digging a target. Why? Because the detector said it was probably junk. How many times have you dug a junk target only to discover it wasn't.
 
I agree on the junk assessment. John, I can not count how many times the D2 said a target was iron, but instead the Apex indicated mixed metals. When dug, it was a pocket knife.
 
If Garrett were to release a performance competitive machine to the Manticore, I'd be all about it. I like the guys at Garrett and would prefer to support them. But for my time and site opportunity, I want to swing what I feel is the best machine. I've used the White's Eagle Spectrum, White's DFX, Fisher F70, Garrett AT-pro, Equinox 800, and Manticore. The Manticore I am loving.
 
I have to agree on that. Having too many bells and whistles and how to utilize them often times will prevent you from digging a target. Why? Because the detector said it was probably junk. How many times have you dug a junk target only to discover it wasn't.
this is true but with all my machines if its not iron i dig it. Just to be sure
 
I'm afraid Garrett might not have what it tales to compete in this area. If they have gracefully bowed out it would be nice to know. I would love for them to make a top notch detector but I am not holding my breath. For me, time is running thin for waiting on Garrett. Sadly at this point other than possibly their gold machine there is nothing they have that others won't do better and cheaper.
 
I am just wondering with all the new machines that have come out what Garrett is actually doing? Anyone have any wind of what they may be up to right now? I would have thought that the next in line of the apex series would have been out by now and we would be enjoying it along with the other new detector releases.
Yep they all came out with new machines there basically all the same cheap to expensive smf . All I see is the ability to adjust all parameters of the machines we already have but the tech did not change .
How are you going to compete and make money when all the bases are covered already .
Tersora Whites gone Fisher next .
They have been refining smf for 30 years nothing new .
The tech has come to the end you can only refine it so much .
If someone comes out with new tech better than present I think it would be game over for the other companies.
This is what I see now. sube
 
I'm guessing it will be at least announced by April which is there 60 year anniversery.
 
I here they are busy making us Salt Water/ Beach hunter's, Waterproof PI , since making the nugget hunter's one , they come to realize that lightness/ performance / depth matter's & the ATX is a dead tank , waiting on them to come to the table , Whites, Minelab , Deus , and 1 antique Fisher F75SE remains , NO GARRETT other than the Carrott here , Cmon Garrett :scope:
 
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