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I heard everyone in Tennessee is being controlled by alien lizard people.
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Nokta Makro Legend feedback, use, comparisons, etc
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I heard everyone in Tennessee is being controlled by alien lizard people.
harleyhummer65
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I appreciate your extensive testing.
Your park video today, reminds me of the exact parks that I hunt.
Full of can slaw, pull tops, foil, etc.
I really enjoy your thorough testing videos.
Some day in the near future, I plan on upgrading to a newer machine.
Will it be a Legend? Probably not, unless another update magically address's these known issues!
New Minelab or XP ?? Probably!
But even then, Im the type that will wait until guys like yourself, put it through extensive testing, so I know exactly what Im buying, instead of finding out latter!
Thanks again for all you do!
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TNS,
I went on a short 1 hour hunt today to test MW in a different location.
MW ground balanced to it's maximum of 20
MW was quieter in the heavy emi than M1
MW showed no depth difference compared to M1
Of the 4 clad I dug up, 2 were by their lonesome and ID'd the same in MW and M1. The two other pennies had trash in the same detection field. MW ID'd the pennies correctly, M1 allowed the penny ID to be dragged down to the low 20's.
Don't let that get to your ego, because most of what you post about the Legend is meaningless crapola, and it's still highly questionable that you even discovered MW's outstanding unmasking performance.
You have a good evening
I went on a short 1 hour hunt today to test MW in a different location.
MW ground balanced to it's maximum of 20
MW was quieter in the heavy emi than M1
MW showed no depth difference compared to M1
Of the 4 clad I dug up, 2 were by their lonesome and ID'd the same in MW and M1. The two other pennies had trash in the same detection field. MW ID'd the pennies correctly, M1 allowed the penny ID to be dragged down to the low 20's.
Don't let that get to your ego, because most of what you post about the Legend is meaningless crapola, and it's still highly questionable that you even discovered MW's outstanding unmasking performance.
You have a good evening
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Please list all of these "known issues", and I'll address them one by one.
Go ahead. I dare you .
harleyhummer65
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Thanks, but no thanks!
I dont need your digalicious help!
Nokta is doing great at addressing some of the issues!
TnSharpShooter is doing great at finding the rest of the issues!
Since the Legends inception a few months ago, Nokta has already addressed 33 changes.
33 changes, 4 software versions, plus a tool to help owners keep up to date, with the updates.
All this since its inception just a few short months ago!
Just look at the Legend's "legendary" software history:
Initial release software 1.04 on 2/01/22
1st Software update 1.05 on 3/16/22
2nd Software Update 1.07 4/14/22
3rd Software Update 1.09 7/12/22
"TOOL" Update "tool" 8/10/22
Look at what Nokta has already repaired along the way:
The 1st update (version 1.05) made the following improvements:
1. Pinpoint function has been improved.
2. M 1 Multi Frequency parameters have been updated.
3. Audio alert for Automatic Frequency Shift (Noise Cancellation) completion has been extended.
4. Factory default Tone Break value has been changed from 11 to 10 in Park mode.
5. Ferrous Off Discrimination Pattern has been updated to reject IDs between 1-10 in Park & Field modes.
6. Threshold audio level has been increased in Gold mode.
7. Audio response during ground balancing in Gold mode has been updated.
8. Backlight levels have been re-configured.
9. Nokta told us that the Bugs have been fixed.
The 2nd update (1.07) made the following improvements:
1. Beach Mode Multi-W and the Pinpoint in this mode has been improved and updated.
2. Bluetooth headphones pairing criteria have been updated. The device will now search for the headphones it has been paired with initially and try to connect to those. This will prevent the device from connecting to other Bluetooth devices when the Bluetooth setting is on. If you want to pair the device with different Bluetooth headphones (other than those it was initially paired with) you must delete them from memory as explained in the manual.
3. The sensitivity value will now be displayed also in the Target ID section.
4. The ground phase value calculated through automatic ground balance as well as tracking will now be saved.
5. Multi-1, Multi-2, Multi-D, Multi-W frequencies will now be saved. The device will start with the last frequency used.
6. The default Number of Tones for Park and Beach modes have been changed to 2.
7. The default Tone Volume level of ferreous tone has been updated per each mode.
8. The Ground Balance menu icons and the tones have been updated.
9. The battery bar levels have been updated to be more linear.
10. Nokta once again told us that the Bugs have been fixed.
The 3rd update (1.09) made the following improvements:
1. Iron Filter and Stability settings have been added.
When the device is working in Multi frequency, select the Recovery Speed setting and press the pinpoint button.
Letters "IF" (Iron Filter) will appear on the right side.
Iron Filter (IF) setting ranges between 1-8 and the default value is 8. Default value 8 is the same as the previous versions (v1.05, v1.07) Legend with no iron filter setting.
Lower IF setting will increase the probability of ferrous targets to be classified as non-ferrous targets and vice versa.
Stability setting (st) is the fine tuning for the IF setting.
When the IF is set to 8, the st setting will be inactive in the Park, Field and Gold Field modes.
When the IF is set to any value below 8, the St setting can be activated by pressing the right or left button and can be adjusted by using the + and - buttons.
NOTE: The st setting in the beach mode is different than this new st setting!
2. A new multi frequency (M3) has been added to PARK and FIELD modes.
Ideal for humid, wet and/or conductive soils.
It reduces the effect of moisture in soils which can cause falses. It also weakens the response of targets generating 10-11 IDs such as coke and aluminum foil.
3. Tone Pitch has been added.
In Tone Pitch, as the coil approaches the target, the audio frequency will change in proportion to the signal strength. It can be selected from the number of tones setting and is shown with a P.
4. Audio Gain setting has been added.
Audio Gain setting will increase the volume of weak target responses.
In the PARK, FIELD and BEACH modes, after selecting the volume, press the pinpoint button. Letters AG will appear on the right side. You can adjust the AG using the + and – buttons between 1-6. The default value is set to 3.
Audio Gain does NOT increase depth.
5. Mute function has been added.
On the main screen, press and hold the Frequency button to mute the device.
Letters "AO" (Audio Off) will appear on the right side. You can unmute by pressing and holding the Frequency button.
Even if muted, the device will revert back to unmute in the custom discrimination pattern (notch), ground balance and settings menus automatically.
6. Auto sensitivity drop in the custom discrimination pattern
When you select the custom discrimination pattern (notch), the sensitivity drops down to 5 automatically. However, if you are using the automatic notch, you may not want the sensitivity to be lowered. In this case, press the Ground Balance button once to revert back to the current sensitivity. Letters "CS" (current sensitivity) will be displayed on the right side.
7. Hearing the audio through the speaker and the Bluetooth headphones at the same time
When the Bluetooth setting is selected, if the Bluetooth HPs are paired, press the up button and select 2.
8. Reverting Back to Factory Defaults
After selecting the user profile in the settings menu, press and hold the pinpoint button until letters Fd appear on screen. Fd will disappear after 2 seconds.
9. Discrimination Pattern is now saved.
Default discrimination pattern for PARK, FIELD, and BEACH has been defined as “F (Ferro-off)” and as “G (Ground-off)” in the Gold Field Mode.
10. Mineralization Indicator
In the ground balance menu, press the discrimination button to activate the mineralization indicator. Letter GI (Ground Indicator) will appear on the right side. When you press the discrimination button again, it will revert back to Ferro Check and FC will appear.
Ground Mineralization refers to the naturally occurring minerals in the ground that affect a metal detector’s performance. There are two main types of ground mineralization: Iron particles and salt such as saltwater beaches. This causes the ground to become conductive. Both produce false signals that mask targets.
Left side of the mineralization bar shows iron particle mineralization and the right side shows mineralization due to salt. The right side works in multi frequency only!
11. The selected setting in the settings menu will now blink for easier viewing.
12. The default threshold frequency level in Park, Field and Beach modes have been changed to 10.
13. Threshold parameters have been updated in the Park, Field and Beach modes.
14. Audio during ground balancing has been updated.
15. Ground balance and pinpoint function parameters have been updated. In automatic ground balancing, if the ground response is too weak or if there is metal where you are trying to ground balance, the detector will now drop the ground balance value to 0 automatically.
16. ID stability has been improved for changing ground balance values.
33 changes, 4 software versions, and a tool to help users keep up to date, since its inception just a few short months ago!
The sad part is that after all these changes, thanks to TnSharpShooter and others, we continue to see where the Legend still struggles. Its still struggling with tiny aluminum can slaw. We also see that it struggles with a few coins on top of each other, just as you would find in a typical coin spill at your local park. The audio volume rising while adjusting tone breaks are yet another issue, although Nokta says that is the way it was intended ???
4 different versions of software with 33 changes since this product rolled out into the public, and yet its obvious that there is still work to be done.
As TnSharpShooter has already mentioned, the Legend does rather well in the Beach program. But not everyone is going to hunt local parks in beach mode.
At this point, the only thing Legendary about the Legend, in my opinion, is it has one of the highest number of improvements/updates for any metal detector in history, that I can remember. And to be honest, my fingers are crossed that we will see at least 1 more updated software version very soon.
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Best advice i can give you or anyone on this thread is just go out and enjoy yourself. You aren't going to be winning an argument dealing with a couple people on here, even if you are right. Keep in mind some people use way too many metal detectors to ever figure any one of them out. The fact that Nokta got a couple dudes p'oed early on weighs into all this nonsense. You say something about a Deus ll having issues and these two individuals blame the user. They stink at using a Legend it's all Nokta's fault! It's kind of like asking someone to give a food review of a Burrito Supreme at Taco bell after they got food poisoning on a Taco last week.
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TNS,
I went on a short 1 hour hunt today to test MW in a different location.
MW ground balanced to it's maximum of 20
MW was quieter in the heavy emi than M1
MW showed no depth difference compared to M1
Of the 4 clad I dug up, 2 were by their lonesome and ID'd the same in MW and M1. The two other pennies had trash in the same detection field. MW ID'd the pennies correctly, M1 allowed the penny ID to be dragged down to the low 20's.
Don't let that get to your ego, because most of what you post about the Legend is meaningless crapola, and it's still highly questionable that you even discovered MW's outstanding unmasking performance.
You have a good evening
I never said I was first to discover. (How would I know who was first? I don’t talk to all Legend users/testers. I doubt anyone else here’s does either. All I said I was aware of the what looks like lower freq utilized with Beach wet. Lower freq or lower weighted freq usually will be a better performer when trying to ID higher conductive mixed in with smaller lower conductive targets.
And I had seen zero videos posted by any testers, prerelease, after release and zero videos posted on this subject by any other person using a Legend showing.
Can you find a video done on this subject before I started talking about this and showing videos? I can’t find one.
And even some here started playing down these so-called controlled tests down elevated above the ground. Even the marketing rep told folks don’t watch Controlled test videos. I have not told anyone here what not to watch video wise. And turns out the controlled testing showed what? And even you now admit you are witnessing what the controlled test on this matter showed. I was even accused of making statements here about LEgend based solely on these controlled tests. Little did the accuser know I had already seen this in the wild detecting. Yeah I showed few days ago over in the wild target (deeper clad dime).
Now I did show quite a few videos comparing Legend to Eqx 800 using soil based programs. And yes i saw differences.
I have even looked at single freq on Legend and compared to Eqx and Deus 2 single frequency ops. Think I did at least one video showing.
You have a nice day.
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Diga
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Nokta pissed off a lot of people when they introduced the Simplex. The Simplex is a firecracker of a detector, submersible, and sells at a rock bottom price for what you get. Not long after it began getting into the hands of users, the Simplex Facebook pages were inundated with Minelab fanboys trying to spread lies about the Simplex, and doing everything they could to bash the Simplex.
My, my. How history repeats itself, because almost the exact same thing happened when Nokta introduced the Legend. I say "almost", because the only difference this time, is it's not just Minelab fanboys and trolls doing everything they can to bash the Legend, it's also XP fanboys.
BTW- It's obvious that I'm very impressed with Nokta Makro. However, I am not a Nokta fanboy. I own and/or have used many detectors from many companies, and love them all (including my Vanquish 440). I despise fanboys.
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What some of you recent posters above me said I agree with points you all make. The thing that kinda irks me the most is , does this really have to happen. Don't the manufacturer's have some reason to blame ? I have said this for awile. Why aren't they doing enough of their own testing BEFORE it is released to the public ? I get that we all have different terrain , soil , sand , salt all over the world. But why couldn't all these guys put some test units in the hands of say 20 people all over the world , qualified enough to do them properly for like 3 months. Therefore working out the majority of bugs before a public release. Maybe they do and I don't know it. Why does the public have to be the testing Guinea Pigs ? I want to buy a new machine , do a few simple adjustments , hunt and enjoy myself. Harley noticed some 30+ Nokta updates already. This is ridiculous to me if they tested enough themselves before release. So I can't really blame some guys like TNSS who do all these crazy tests , seems like a hobby in and of itself , right or wrong on how they do it. But this IMO falls squarely on the manufacturer's....all of them.
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KOB,
I think it all comes down to the quality of the testers.
What I see, is a lot of weak balled testers and Nomads that either don't know how to properly test a detector, or are afraid to point out what needs to be improved, because they don't want to "bite the hand that feeds them".
Nokta is a very impressive metal detecting company, that makes impressive detectors. BUT, they are in dire need of better testers. With that said, Nokta is also a company that fixes their mistakes ---cough---Minelab---cough----, and from the rumors I heard, they recently "fired" some testers and will be getting some new ones.
I think it all comes down to the quality of the testers.
What I see, is a lot of weak balled testers and Nomads that either don't know how to properly test a detector, or are afraid to point out what needs to be improved, because they don't want to "bite the hand that feeds them".
Nokta is a very impressive metal detecting company, that makes impressive detectors. BUT, they are in dire need of better testers. With that said, Nokta is also a company that fixes their mistakes ---cough---Minelab---cough----, and from the rumors I heard, they recently "fired" some testers and will be getting some new ones.
What does it matter to those who use the Notka what others say?
The other guy who makes these video's said the D2 is deeper than what I use... what do I care about his opinion it means nothing to me... I will find plenty of deep gold with my detector of choice... didn't see him finding any gold with his magic wand
I use a 20 year old detector and will out hunt a lot of people using the newest detectors out there... technology can only give a person so much...
This is why I don't waste my time with test video's... I buy a detector, I learn it and hunt... if I want a new setting I will ask a friend from my area who owns the detector to share one... I don't need video's to sell me on a detector...
People are impatient KOB... when they hear about a new detector they want it right away and maybe the manufacturer's listen and throw it out there before its fully tested to get the chinks out...
It took me two years before I tried the Nox... its an ok detector but its not deeper than what I own now... but it has its place in high iron...
Some of the video's I have heard about just make my head like a coin and steel wool... have you ever dug up steel wool? I haven't
my nemesis is sparkler sticks but they don't last long at the beach... I'm really looking forward to going back to a pulse...
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Indeed. There was a lot of customer pressure.
Following the pre-orders of the Legend. Dilek made the mistake of stating a ship date, but for whatever reason, they weren't able to ship on that date. A lot of people who pre-ordered, were extremely pissed off, and believe me, they let Dilek know they were pissed off. Nokta was being severely pressured to ship the Legend. They caved to the pressure, but they shouldn't have. In subsequent videos, Dilek has said many times, that she made a huge mistake by stating a ship date, and she will never again state a ship date for future products...and she hasn't despite being pressured to state a ship date for the pairable Legend pinpointer, and the 9x5 coil.
I can’t do in one sentence.
But my Equinox, Deus 1, Deus 2, Nokta Impact (Being selectable freq), Etrac, my CTX use is what put me on it. Now the Legend’s 36 settings of iron filter and stability slowed me down some. Because I was experimenting with it on Legend to see what I could come up with. No real help obviously.
If you look at my YouTube channel you will see where I have done (even previous) to my taking possession of Legend, many videos involving detector’s abilities to work in modern trash. And the use of one clad dime and nickel is a big clue right off the bat. By placing one on top of the other (both ways) and sweeping noting ID behavior changes.
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I was a big critic before xmas when the release date came and went and fell back on that often. I think it was about 2 or 3 months later the release finally came. Dilek did apologize , but is hard to overcome for guys like me. And now I look at all the updates. I even joined a FB Legend page. When I posted this , I was just slaughtered on there for bringing this up. I didn't last long as I quit that group , knowing it was not the place for me. I will not be apart of any socialist , dictator run type forum. I still think the Legend could be a great machine. But will have to wait longer unfortunately to see how it plays out.
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Kob, I've been using the legend quite a bit..And although I don't have hundreds of hours on it I can say that my in field finds don't reflect the shortcomings of these controlled tests .I'm running version 1.08 and it runs flawless. I started running this machine with a open mind,and it's been nothing short of being a great hunter for me..
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KOB,
Unlike the UK, here in North America, most detectorists hunt very trashy parks, playgrounds, and sports fields. They are looking for good tones and/or ID amongst all the trash (aluminum, steel alloys, and iron). As such, depth isn’t the most important metal detector characteristic to have. What’s most important, is the detector's ability to produce a good tone and ID when a good target is being masked by trash. Thing is, in BW mode, the Legend is astounding in its unmasking performance. Even TNS admits that.
It reminds me of what I previously said:
Unlike the UK, here in North America, most detectorists hunt very trashy parks, playgrounds, and sports fields. They are looking for good tones and/or ID amongst all the trash (aluminum, steel alloys, and iron). As such, depth isn’t the most important metal detector characteristic to have. What’s most important, is the detector's ability to produce a good tone and ID when a good target is being masked by trash. Thing is, in BW mode, the Legend is astounding in its unmasking performance. Even TNS admits that.
It reminds me of what I previously said:
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Video.
How does one find best Freq and or best multi freq program on their detector for hunting modern trash?
Legend is shown in video along with some other models.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I5IVs3p3ESc
How does one find best Freq and or best multi freq program on their detector for hunting modern trash?
Legend is shown in video along with some other models.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I5IVs3p3ESc
