All New Metal Detector Releases Follow The Same Curve

[woodbutcher]

Hey Woody every once in a while when the same couple of guys get a little too negative on Garrett i have to post some finds about a year ago i posted something like a thousand rings under the title of ATpro on salt water beach and since then a couple posts with apex finds, check them out it will make you smile

Ive seen those pics and PILES of your rings, impressive. At pro is the machine that set the bar for these companies to get off they're asses and put something out that people want ..And although some companies did finally pick the ball up and put out something people want,that doesn't mean the at pro is no longer selling, not sure who came up with that uneducated guess but the at pro is still a top seller and performer

 

[mudwhale]

I never said anything about the Tech. It looks like a great machine, especially compared to other top end metal detectors. By all means, purchase one. Hope you do well. If it raises the bar compared to the status quo, great! The other manufacturers will have to try and exceed and raise the new set bar. That's the natural cycle which stimulates technological advances. That was my point.

John
I get your drift! I love anything Garret makes. They started this expensive hobby for me. I also love the newer tech. I find stuff with my Impact that my Garret AT Pro and Max cannot see. The new Deus II and Nokta Legend are the new frontier. Game changers! Will I ever stop using my Garret machines? NEVER!!! My hunting buddy is an AT Pro diehard. He has the best finds I have ever seen! He is a surgeon with it on open ground. In really infested iron, I own the planet with my Impact. With Deus and Legend on order, they will get me back to a lot of sites where AT and Impact were brought to a halt because of iron infestation. Will I stop using AT machines or Impact? NEVER!!!

 

[mudwhale]

Ive seen those pics and PILES of your rings, impressive. At pro is the machine that set the bar for these companies to get off they're asses and put something out that people want ..And although some companies did finally pick the ball up and put out something people want,that doesn't mean the at pro is no longer selling, not sure who came up with that uneducated guess but the at pro is still a top seller and performer

YUP!!
Simple and works every time you turn it on.

 

[ghound]

I'm not sure what posting hundreds of a coins for the year proves, to me it just says there's plenty of easy coins to be found it that area, i could probably do the same if i was after modern coins (-200yrs old) but i prefer to hunt for the more elusive ancient coins.
I might find less than 10 in a year, but there 10 found in areas that lesser machines than the Nox left behind.
And now it's quite possible that the next generation of machines will find more from the same area, but the obsolete detectors won't.

 

[PAslawslayer]

Obsolescence is relative with tech such as metal detectors and things like radio controllers for RC cars/planes. If the user has use for it, then it is not obsolete even though there might be newer versions.

However, 1 piece of new tech that does better and more than the old tech in one’s arsenal can in fact render the old obsolete to an individual. And as the curves suggest, the cycle will continue over and over again.

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[John-Edmonton]

Obsolescence is relative with tech such as metal detectors and things like radio controllers for RC cars/planes. If the user has use for it, then it is not obsolete even though there might be newer versions.

However, 1 piece of new tech that does better and more than the old tech in one’s arsenal can in fact render the old obsolete to an individual. And as the curves suggest, the cycle will continue over and over again.

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Well said!

 

[mh9162013]

Until this thread, I assumed Garrett was fine and they'd release something to compete with the Equinox, Legend and Deus II in the foreseeable future. Maybe an "AT Apex" in the next year or so.

Now with one of Garrett's "strongest" supporters making a "but we're all still winners" thread, I'm not so sure and I seriously question their future ability to compete with their major competitors.

 

[Coinboy]

Until this thread, I assumed Garrett was fine and they'd release something to compete with the Equinox, Legend and Deus II in the foreseeable future. Maybe an "AT Apex" in the next year or so.

Now with one of Garrett's "strongest" supporters making a "but we're all still winners" thread, I'm not so sure and I seriously question their future ability to compete with their major competitors.

My thoughts exactly. I understand that people use machines that are older tech and like them. I’m sure they make lots of good finds with those machines. But why limit yourself to them?! Sure, you are finding good stuff, but a person with the same amount of experience and a higher tech machine (not necessarily more expensive) at the same site will find more good stuff than you. Plain and simple.

 

[PAslawslayer]

I surprise myself with what I find on the same sites every time I go to them. Yes I find things because I missed them before, but learning the detector has allowed me to pick up on finds that I didn’t even notice on other occasions. You do yourself and the machine justice by truly learning how to read it and manipulate it to the limits of you and the machine.

That said, each machine, user, and needs have a limit. If your confident in your machine via your experience on the sites you hunt, then why change? If your confident in your machine on the sites you hunt , but feel you’re still missing things no matter how you manipulate the machine, then I say try something else if you can afford it.


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[OBN]

I love it when new machines come out and everyone gets one, It turns most into rookie's who buys them, it takes them a few years to master and by then there is a new and better one they have to have.

Testing and compare video's can pump things up, walking out into the real world is a eye opener.. Just not as easy as it looked in the video. I know first hand from doing them with the Fisher AQ.

 

[OBN]

Sure, you are finding good stuff, but a person with the same amount of experience and a higher tech machine (not necessarily more expensive) at the same site will find more good stuff than you. Plain and simple.

Honestly, I don't think this holds true for beach and in the water hunting for you can encounter so many different types of conditions since things are changing every tide no one machine can cover all your needs. Some spots, I hunt, I can see I'm at a disadvantage with the newer faster tech machines but others I know my 25 old machine has no competition. And this is based on once everyone has shown there finds.

Now still water spots like lakes, I would imagine the better machine rules.
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[Beachhunt1]

I love it when new machines come out and everyone gets one, It turns most into rookie's who buys them, it takes them a few years to master and by then there is a new and better one they have to have.

Testing and compare video's can pump things up, walking out into the real world is a eye opener.. Just not as easy as it looked in the video. I know first hand from doing them with the Fisher AQ.

Hey OBN

Mostly true, but in the past more. I was wondering about my Equinox curve even though I had 40 years worth in before. I was pleasantly surprised my learning curve was short.

It looks today that Mfg's are putting lots of thoughts into preset programs that are running close to edge performance. Now, it is down to the user to know if you can run hotter, or in some cases even cooler at your given location.

This is a clear advantage of someone experienced or completely new to the hobby that was not there 20 years ago.

 

[OBN]

Hey OBN

Mostly true, but in the past more. I was wondering about my Equinox curve even though I had 40 years worth in before. I was pleasantly surprised my learning curve was short.

It looks today that Mfg's are putting lots of thoughts into preset programs that are running close to edge performance. Now, it is down to the user to know if you can run hotter, or in some cases even cooler at you given location.

This is a clear advantage of someone experienced or completely new to the hobby that was not there 20 years ago.

I agree.....

The big thing here I believe, there is a rotation going on..... oldtimer disappearing and the new crowd coming in.. all Nox's with lack of experience.
I guess time will tell on all.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

All new metal detector follow same curve?
Really.

Fisher AQ Impulse, imo a travesty.
Garrett AT Max a travesty.
About every thing White’s released in last 10 years a travesty. And where are they now?
Tesoro gone! As well.

Take a look.
It’s the newer detector companies who are on top.

Those bs articles in those Treasure magazines are finished. I never wrote a bs article for one of those Either!

Shipping has changed worldwide.
Who would have thought 20 years ago a person could have a detector shipped from Turkey and have it in USA in really hours?

Anyone think Garrett hemmoraged lack of sales due to Equinox? I’ll bet they did. Cell phone look is in,, dinosaur looking is out!!

Why did they wait and release Apex after Nox was released. Yeah we know why.

What happens if Xp release ORX 2, and it does everything and then some the AT Max does? And costs similar. I think I know.

Reckon those Hoover boys are watching Deus 2 videos? They should be.

Yeah looks like salt water hunters. Excal maybe out. Tarsacci maybe out too.

I got to read all the folks back when comments. As far as Deus, I
Deus 1 flimsy. Toy looking. Cute little French thing. Etc. wireless is fluff.

Yeah,, and some like to rest on a detectors past to try and save some face.
Bad strategy if you ask me.

Yeah what goes up must come down.
But some detector models never make it up so they never have to come down.

Social media exposes in quick fashion the best, better and not so good anything really.

Take a look at auto industry in USA.
Who would have thought Toyota would be one of the biggest 3 sellers? 30 years ago.
You drive even here in Tennessee. You see a shxt load of those Toyota logos on front of vehicles. Funny thing. Toyota products faced same bs scrutiny by the ole Chrysler, Ford and dodge owners back when.

Basically bottom line....
A company better NOT try and live (exist) on name only.
Better instead be making products that really compete and can withstand total criticism as far as social media these days. To be successful !!

 

[NCtoad]

Just remember, that no new metal detector release will make others obsolete. It doesn't matter which company represents the latest and greatest. A newer release down the road will be designed to compete with the previous release. It will have better features, perhaps new technology and might cost less to compete. Just a little wisdom to plant some feet back on the ground. Don't dump your current detector(s) quite yet.

I’m trying to figure out what the point of this post is. Please excuse my ignorance. Is it your final sentence when you say don’t dump your current detectors yet? If so, did you not jump on the apex when it was released as Garrett’s latest greatest this past year? How many times have you used one of your other detectors since it came out? I guess if I wanted to take the time to go back and look through your posts since the apex came out, I could see how many times you posted where you didn’t use the apex. I would guess that you used the apex in the majority of your posts.

Or is your point to keep waiting for that next detector that’s even further down the road as you say. At what point in the future releases of detectors do you actually get a new release? When DO you jump on the bandwagon? When will you know when the “latest, greatest” is actually the latest and greatest? Well, I’ve got news for you, there’s always going to be a latest and greatest. Just like anything else; cars, telephones, computers, etc.

If any of you don’t want the “latest and greatest”, don’t buy it. Keep using what you have, but don’t try to dissuade others from their purchases. Because there’s really no skin in it for you to dissuade….unless of course you work for a specific company or get kickbacks from them for promoting their product.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Same ole same ole.
Called deflection when a new unit (good one) is released.
Talking in circles and not saying anything really. Akin to fool’s gold.

 

[atomicbrh]

I am not selling any of our old detectors. They make excellent backups.
It is smart to have more than one detector and have more than one detector in the truck. You just never know when your latest, greatest primary detector for the conditions is going to stop functioning in the field.
As detectorists, we live in the greatest time so far with all kinds of detector choices that the hobbyist with an average household income can afford to buy.
I think about the first time I used a pinpointer and what a game changer that was.
This is a very exciting time for all of us.

 

[ghound]

In the US if your a coin shooter you can quite easily be happy with a single mid freq detector as your coinage except for a Nickle are high conductors, or a selectable 2 freq detector for coins and jewellery.etc
The opposite is true in much of the EU and older countries as we have hundreds or thousands of different coins of different conductivity over a few thousand years time span.
So in these areas the single fixed freq is all but obsolete, you can buy a multi freq detector on a small budget that will be more responsive to more targets than any single freq.

 

[woodbutcher]

When I read these threads it makes me wonder if all the old coins,gold rings and cool relics I’ve found before these newer machines were out,,maybe it was all just a dream.. Maybe I’m alive and dreaming or dead and remembering.lol..Newer tech is cool, no question. But I definitely don’t need the latest or the greatest to make awesome finds, been doing that for years. That’s my point.

 

[ghound]

What "old coins" have you found and by what detector?

When I read these threads it makes me wonder if all the old coins,gold rings and cool relics I’ve found before these newer machines were out,,maybe it was all just a dream.. Maybe I’m alive and dreaming or dead and remembering.lol..Newer tech is cool, no question. But I definitely don’t need the latest or the greatest to make awesome finds, been doing that for years. That’s my point.