Going to destroy the ATPRO

That is constructive.

OK we will all live in a fantasy world where Bounty Hunters are really good because CFMT started out with one. Happy? :lol:

I understand that you wouldn't want to offend a company that could potentially give the site money. Integrity move. ;)

FYI first day out with the Etrac at a mineral infested park, 25 coins, Silver dime, Silver antique ring ring and a large cent with bullet damage.
Half full pouch of trash, essentially no iron, just one half nail that was in the hole wity a good target.

Best of all it didn't take 100 hours to figure it out. :roll:



Always livin on the edge arent ya ? :lol: :hornetsnest::hornetsnest::hornetsnest:


You will be at that Etrac atleast 100 hours before you get it all figured out. Anyone can turn on any detector and find things with it right off the bat , that dont mean they have mastered the detector and its abilities that just means they know how to push a button and swing the coil around.
 
Always livin on the edge arent ya ? :lol: :hornetsnest::hornetsnest::hornetsnest:


You will be at that Etrac atleast 100 hours before you get it all figured out. Anyone can turn on any detector and find things with it right off the bat , that dont mean they have mastered the detector and its abilities that just means they know how to push a button and swing the coil around.

No doubt the Etrac has lots of options to enhance the detecting experience, that will take a bit to try them all out etc.

However it works astoundingly well right out of the box.

It wasn't like I stumbled on the targets, the easy ones are gone. Some of them were very vague, however just the slightest chirp with the right ID numbers is all it took to get some goodies. :cool:

A lot of those targets I might have left behind with the Xterra because the iron areas are noisy, but this thing, man I don't think it lied to me once today. Very impressive machine.

Anyhow the 100 hour jab was not directed at you, I enjoy your postings for the most part.
 
Mottz , I cant be certain but I think the root of your problem is assuming the sweet sounding high tone means there could be a coin there as well. Sometimes there is , but about 99% of the time there is not. Those irony trashy conditions actually level the playing field between detector types , it can be slow going and difficult for any detector. I have a local site that is so bad I had to completely give up on it , with so much iron and scrap I could spend a lifetime digging without ever finding anything worth actually digging. Thats sad because its the original county fairground site and there has to be plenty of good stuff down under that impenetrable iron curtain. Assuming your site is in much better condition that the one I was just talking about , the best way to proceed is probably to just remove as much of that scrap as you can and then the better targets if they exist will start showing up since they are no longer masked by the junk. But assume those high tones are just trash and then when they arent you will be happily surprised. Keep experimenting on the distance you lift the coil to check a targets size and using the pinpoint button over a target to judge size as well. You will see a difference between these larger than coin sized targets and the coin sized ones. Many times even when iron gives a good high tone there is also a crackle or "off" sound with it that is also an indicator.

This is an explanation that I truly understand. Thank You for that!!
 
Anyhow the 100 hour jab was not directed at you, .

Since we're talking about 100 hours

Let me tell you, when I first got my AT Pro, like pennypacker, I had no idea what it was telling me.

I had used several detectors, like penny packer, before I ever got my AT PRO.

I mean it's a metal detector, same exact thing as all the other detectors, right? Or so I thought...

When I first got the ATP, I would leave it at home and take my Fisher F5 or Fisher F2 with me because I knew what they were telling me!

Eventually I got more and more brave and started taking the AT Pro out with me. On my first hunt with it, I found a canadian silver dime, and this stuff:

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Even though I found silver, and all of these other items, I was experienced enough to realize that I didn't KNOW the AT Pro.

I had an "idea" of what I was doing and found some good targets in a volleyball court and park.

"some" of my previous experience carried over to the AT Pro, but I also knew that this was a different kind of machine with it's own nuances that I would have to learn.

A year later, I am fairly confident that I KNOW my AT Pro. Looking back on the times I would leave it back home makes me smile now. I knew my F2 and was confident in my abilities to interpret it's tones, but that new AT Pro, man was it overwhelming!

2015 has been my best year so far and a large part of that is because of the AT Pro. It has proven itself to me in the field, time and again, and my Ring count skyrocketed this year.

Anyone who has taken the time to chat with me knows that I am not brand loyal. I have swung Whites, Teknetics, Fisher, BH, Garretts and they all had their strengths and weaknesses.

I didn't drink any kool aid of any one brand and have tested and reviewed several metal detectors of many brands.

When I was leaving my ATP at home and taking my Fishers when I went detecting, I didn't have 100 hours on the AT Pro yet.

Did I find silver on my very first hunt with the AT Pro? Yes, that's a fact.

Was it because I already knew how to use it based on years of experience with other detectors? Not entirely, I didn't know the numbers silver would show up on that machine. I got a high tone and dug it. It was a silver dime.

Since that time, after my 100 hours of basic learning the machine, I can confidently say that 5 hours, 15 hours, 48 hours into using it I still didn't know the machine very well. I hadn't learned the various nuances to the tones yet.

The 100 hour period of learning is designed to allow you enough time to really understand your metal detector and it's nuances.

I asked if you had the minimum 100 hours on your AT Pro because I know where I was in my understanding of it at first too.

I didn't invent the "100 hours" I asked that for a reason, and it wasn't to take a jab at you.

You are surely entitled to your opinion about the "cult" that "drinks kool aid"

Even if you are wrong in your assessment of me and my choice of using the AT Pro. I got it because I wanted it and couldn't be happier with it after clocking over 100 hours on it.

I think that makes me more qualified to tell you that the AT Pro is far from junk that "sucks."

I didn't need 100 hours on it to find good stuff... I needed 100 hours on it to confidently say I understand the machine. I am a fast learner too, but I am not going to fool myself into thinking I know a new detector the first couple times I use it.

I wouldn't have replied, but your continued snide remark only shows your ignorance.

Now. before you say I call you a name, google the word. :D
 
Nectar It is funny that you post about leaving the AT Pro at home and taking the Fisher because you were more comfortable with it. I experienced that same exact thing when I bought my AT Pro. I had an Ace 350 and a Garrett Grand master Hunter and was pretty comfortable with them and I was a little apprehensive about taking the new AT Pro out. It actually sat there new in the box for a couple weeks before I felt confident enough to try it out. The rest is history!
I have over 250 hours on AT Pros and find them a very capable detector.
(Did a little head to head with the Racer last night, will, post)
I can run the E Trac for a month and then pick up the AT pro and I am instantly in "tune" with it. I have ran it enough to know its capabilities and have never been disappointed with my results. Your biggest investment in a detector is not money, it is TIME. You can invest all the $ you want but if you do not invest the TIME then the money is wasted.
We ALL get frustrated with our detectors at some time or another but I remember hearing a quote a long time ago and it says in a nutshell, when you get frustrated you should learn to be excited about it because you are about to learn something.
 
That is constructive.

OK we will all live in a fantasy world where Bounty Hunters are really good because CFMT started out with one. Happy? :lol:

I understand that you wouldn't want to offend a company that could potentially give the site money. Integrity move. ;)

FYI first day out with the Etrac at a mineral infested park, 25 coins, Silver dime, Silver antique ring ring and a large cent with bullet damage.
Half full pouch of trash, essentially no iron, just one half nail that was in the hole wity a good target.

Best of all it didn't take 100 hours to figure it out. :roll:

You missed the point... point being others use Bounty Hunters and nothing good to say about them then just don't talk about them... not everyone can afford a top of the line detector.
 
I would have agreed with you when I first got it pennypacker, now that I know what it is telling me, I do awesome with it!

Likewise it's no secret that its easier to find metal if the ground is wet...

How long did you have your AT Pro before getting rid of it because "it sucks?"

I think AT Pro's suck too. Matter of fact I encourage everybody who hunts anywhere near my area to buy other less sucky machines. :thumbsup:

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Nectar It is funny that you post about leaving the AT Pro at home and taking the Fisher because you were more comfortable with it. I experienced that same exact thing when I bought my AT Pro. I had an Ace 350 and a Garrett Grand master Hunter and was pretty comfortable with them and I was a little apprehensive about taking the new AT Pro out. It actually sat there new in the box for a couple weeks before I felt confident enough to try it out. The rest is history!
I have over 250 hours on AT Pros and find them a very capable detector.
(Did a little head to head with the Racer last night, will, post)
I can run the E Trac for a month and then pick up the AT pro and I am instantly in "tune" with it. I have ran it enough to know its capabilities and have never been disappointed with my results. Your biggest investment in a detector is not money, it is TIME. You can invest all the $ you want but if you do not invest the TIME then the money is wasted.
We ALL get frustrated with our detectors at some time or another but I remember hearing a quote a long time ago and it says in a nutshell, when you get frustrated you should learn to be excited about it because you are about to learn something.

Good point about Time. Experience doesn't happen over night :)
 
Great minds discuss ideas, Average minds discuss events, Small minds discuss people.


I definitely agree with the above. Nice finds Irons!!!!
 
Great minds discuss ideas, Average minds discuss events, Small minds discuss people.


I definitely agree with the above. Nice finds Irons!!!!

Wow, great google quotes search... at least give credit to history scholar Henry Thomas Buckle.
 
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I did a side by side comparison hunt, a friend got one and I was genuinely excited for him. I thought it was going to be a good machine.
Needless to say I was not impressed in the least.

He got into the hobby with an $80 detector, then a bounty hunter discovery 1100, I was amazed he was still hanging in there and figure he would take off with the ATPro, a week later it was up for sale.

I couldn't figure out how to bull-!!!! him into using it, my mind went blank.

I know my way around a detector half decent, but there is something off about the ATPro, despite being fast, it is overly difficult to "X" a target out with it.
Incoherent comes to mind.

I took him to a field absolutely polluted with coins for practice, this machine only liked the scrap.
He couldn't buy a single coin at a place that yields 50-100 coins in 4 hours for the average detector with an ambitious operator.

There was a new lady there with some sort of Technetics, she was drooling all over this ATPro, (As most newbs do) which was ironic as she had a pouch full of coins and he had none, I literally don't recall him finding a single red cent.

I thought OK I will figure this out for him, it didn't take long to decide this machine wasn't for me.
Why waste the time trying to learn something that is so difficult to use in the first place.
This isn't a high-end machine, it's a mid-line detector in a class full of stable machines.

I even preselected probable coins targets ahead off time, real easy ones, the ATPro was just plain unintelligible on these targets.
I mean there was some trash, but not that bad, I have hunted that site with DD's myself.
Perhaps that is why some prefer the 5x8 on the ATPro.

I'm still perplexed, I just don't get it.

So your buddy got a new AT Pro and got those results? Yeah, probably made the same mistake a lot of new ATPro owners make. Didn't have the coil plugged in all the way. It's an easy mistake, and the machine will act 'incoherent' and basically won't detect very well. Everyone thinks the connector is all the way in but it's really the resistance of the water proof o-ring. You have to push past that first resistance. You can even get the threaded ring to screw on but it won't be threaded all the way. Has happened to a few people on here.

I can promise you if that site was as loaded as you say, I'd have found plenty of coin. I do that anyway. I realize that the ATPRO isn't the best detector money can buy, but it is versatile. The higher operating frequency means it's not really a silver slayer, but will find small gold jewelry better than some.

The results you claim in the above scenario just don't match the experience of other AT Pro owners, myself included.

Kool-Aid drinker? Nope, just offering up a possible explanation for your buddy's bad experience.
 
Nice coins, now just think of all the nice ones you missed! :laughing:

Cheers.

There is a beach down state a ways I go to just to compete with a lot of other hunters with high dollar machines. I do that to see if I could improve by getting a different machine.
Most of them are really nice guys too, serious hunters.
I'm not missing anything depth wise and target separation and ID on the AT Pro is better than most.

Many folks think they can buy their way to success in this obsession/hobby, spending money does not replace spending time. I have seen dozens come and go on this forum in the 3 years I have been here.

When I trout fished a lot I learned I had nothing to fear from the guys in head to toe matching Orvis waving $1200 fly rods. Same thing with metal detecting.
 
There is a beach down state a ways I go to just to compete with a lot of other hunters with high dollar machines. I do that to see if I could improve by getting a different machine.
Most of them are really nice guys too, serious hunters.
I'm not missing anything depth wise and target separation and ID on the AT Pro is better than most.

Many folks think they can buy their way to success in this obsession/hobby, spending money does not replace spending time. I have seen dozens come and go on this forum in the 3 years I have been here.

When I trout fished a lot I learned I had nothing to fear from the guys in head to toe matching Orvis waving $1200 fly rods. Same thing with metal detecting.


re: trout fishing...
I used to think the same way.. people with 1000+ fishing rods going up against my 200+ double LL fly rod. (LL Bean). Needless to say, it's about how well you can cast. Those rich guys with expensive fly rods hadn't taken the time to practice, I had been fly fishing for 10 years before this meet up...

Same with metal detectors, Just because it costs thousands doesn't make you a better detector. Everything takes time and practice.
 
Once you find the clean patch of ground , do the automatic ground balance. This sets the detector to ignore interference from the ground. Some people then manually adjust it higher or lower but this is experimental and a literal crapshoot , since depending on the makeup of the soil , it may not help anything and can even make things worse in certain conditions. The detector automatically sets itself for optimum performance. Something else Ive noticed is most of the time having the ground balance be exact is less important than many people think , as long as its close. Most of the ground around me sets the detector in the mid to high 80's and I can hunt almost anywhere without even bothering with the ground balance and it does just fine. There are occasional spots that seem to affect the detector , I just notice a difference in the detectors performance and I will ground balance it then but most of the time there is no need to bother with it. It dont hurt anything to ground balance it on a regular basis but just saying if its within 5 or 6 digits from "optimum" there is usually no noticeable performance problems.

Couldn't agree more, and have to laugh at those posts that claim "X" amount of extra depth by offsetting the GB by "X" amount, ridiculous.
I remember one time I even asked for some video proof...I got none, just a statement, "It worked for me"

Anyway I've tried just about all of them (detectors) AT Pro is respectable for sure, does it find junk, sure does, but also finds coin up to 10 or so inches which is on par with all but the very best.

It is NOT the best at target separation esp. with the big stock coil, it should have come stock with the 5 X 8. All in all ATP is a good machine, and I have told people if I had to have just one detector this might be it. Luckly I don't have to limit myself to just one though.

Oh yeah one other post mentions pull tabs coming in bouncy or scratchy, well there are certainly MANY exceptions to that statement.
 
Many folks think they can buy their way to success in this obsession/hobby, spending money does not replace spending time. I have seen dozens come and go on this forum in the 3 years I have been here.

I agree, the Xterra 505 I had cost less then the ATPro, yet was more capable and fun to use. ;)
 
re: trout fishing...
I used to think the same way.. people with 1000+ fishing rods going up against my 200+ double LL fly rod. (LL Bean). Needless to say, it's about how well you can cast. Those rich guys with expensive fly rods hadn't taken the time to practice, I had been fly fishing for 10 years before this meet up...

Same with metal detectors, Just because it costs thousands doesn't make you a better detector. Everything takes time and practice.

This analogy does not work. A metal detector has ACTIVE electronics, it is not a passive device.

If you truly believe what you are saying, why did you buy the ATPro in the first place?

I mean after all, you can detect just as well with your old bounty hunter...
 
This analogy does not work. A metal detector has ACTIVE electronics, it is not a passive device.

If you truly believe what you are saying, why did you buy the ATPro in the first place?

I mean after all, you can detect just as well with your old bounty hunter...

Well I shoot guns a lot.
Can a marksman shoot as accurate with a marginally accurate rifle as another
marksman can on average with a far more accurate shooting rifle??? Nope

Can a marksman shoot a marginally accurate rifle as good or better as a marginal shooter can shoot a more accurate gun??? Yes, very possible.

Can the above be applied to detectorists and detectors?? I think so.

Cheers
 
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