KevinNC: said:
Thanks for answering. I assume the beeps were low iron tones sense raising the disk eliminated them. I should have her 540 tomorrow and see if it does the same. HH
Kevin, I am sure you're going to enjoy the 540. I do, but I do so with the caution that I understand the quirks and simply hope there's a way for the Minelab Tech to tweak the GB, if it's tweakable, or correct in a software upgrade. That's the issue.
jmaclen: said:
Hi Monte,
I have the Vanquish 440. Mine behaves a bit like yours. Coin and Jewelry modes with the horseshoe button pressed for all targets accepted creates a very faint low tone as the coil approaches the ground which did not change as I pumped and swept over various target free areas. It sounded almost balanced to my ears and gave a bit louder low tone on the down pump and a slight second low tone just as the coil moved away from the ground.
The Relic mode however, produced a very obvious low tone as the coil moved away from the ground and was totally silent approaching the ground, so very negative.
Just for kicks, I did a similar test with my Equinox 600 in default Beach 1 and default Beach 2 so ground balance was left on the factory 0 setting. Pressed the horseshoe button so that all targets were accepted in both modes. Beach 1 was just slightly negative and Beach 2 was just slightly positive ground balance wise.
I really like the Vanquish and the Equinox too!!!
Jeff
Jeff, I also 'Thank You for replying and confirming the glitch. The 'glitch' is in the Vanquish modes and is related to the fact that it is a Ground Balance issue. Some, Coin & Jewelry, having a somewhat too positive GB
(increased audio as the coil approaches the ground) or a too-=negative GB in Relic mode
(coil lifted away from the ground).
As I stated, I really like the Vanquish 540 Pro and while I wish it worked properly, it lacks a Ground Balance function to correct the behavior If I reject the first two Dis. segments, which is how I have my 'Custom' mode set up based on the Relic mode, I can hunt most places w/o an issue. I'd just like to be able to use the Horseshoe button and have it work properly to accept all targets, ferrous and non-ferrous, like I do with other models I have.
I do hope to hear from the Minelab service center soon, but just so folks know. I really like the 540 Pro pack and have a 2nd one purchased. It will be shipped tome tomorrow so I'll have in it time for a detecting jaunt I'm headed out on next week. Yes, an annoying glitch, but not one that's going to cause me to get rid of the device. What is CAN do afield is rather impressive. Thus, it stays. I just wanted to see if there's anything Minelab could do to correct the issues that should have been noted, and corrected, with pre-production testing.
tnsharpshooter: said:
Here’s video I did today showing Equinox 800 GB and its behavior over some medium mineralized ground.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ycNPsjoDA0
And I 'Thank You', TNSS, for the video because it confirms what I have told friends who have an Equinox. Ground Balance before you hunt!!!
Yes, a friends of mine checked out his EQ-800
as he usually uses it, and that means using Multi-IQ AND leaving the GB at the default '0'setting. he had the same issues I have with the Vanquish, as does Jeff, as do a few others who have read this thread and sent me an e-mail.
Leave you device in the Multi-IQ function, and Do NOT GB the unit, just rely on the default Equinox '0' GB setting. Then select each of the different Default modes (Except for Gold Nugget Hunting) and in each mode, with the Sensitivity set high, bob the coil towards-and-away from the ground starting at about 6". Do it in the Default program, then select the Horseshoe button to accept ALL of the Dis. notches and repeat the test by bobbing the coil.
Each default mode/program might differ, just like Coin and Jewelry being different than Relic on the Vanquish 540. Check the EQ in each of the default programs and with the Horseshoe butting in use to Accept all segments, not if it 'Beeps' on the DOWNSTROKE f the coil towards the ground, or on the UPLIFT of the coil, away from the ground.
Remember ... leave it at the default '0' GB setting.
My guess is you'll get the false beep in each mode/program just like you did in your video. Didn't you notice that the Equinox had that problem ... BUT IT WAS GONE ONCE GROUND BALANCED!
Since the EQ was first introduced I've read comments by some forum posters who have said they don't GB
"because the Noise Cancel takes care of that" ... wrong!
Or they make a statement like
"there's no need because the Simultaneous Multi-IQ handles Ground Balance." ... Wrong again, or there wouldn't be that issue with the Vanquish or the Equinox.
• Make a fresh video and simply show how the Equinox performs with the default '0' Ground Balance.
• Use each Discriminate mode at the defaults, bobbing the coil, and then activate the Horseshoe button and continue to bob the coil, 6" to 1", up and dawn.
• Note the response for each mode, on both the down-stroke and up-lift.
Then, when finished showing the annoying behavior, you can then do this:
► Demonstrate hoe each mode has a false audio response as shown when the GB is at '0', and then select any mode, activate the Horseshoe to let them hear the glitch, then Ground Balance on that spot of ground. Automated GB or a proper Manual GB, and ... POOF! ... a proper GB eliminates the glitch. At least it did in the video you posted.
Should I buy an Equinox? I might in the future but I have 8 or 9 detectors now, counting the one I just purchased that will arrive next week. I've handled the EQ-800 and it's OK. I know that it has the GB function and that's one of the main reasons I thought about it. But, I don't like the physical package as well as the Vanquish.
The detector I just purchased? As I mentioned above, it is another Vanquish 540 Pro Pack. Why? Because I like what it CAN do and I will likely have to live with the annoying glitch by just not using the Horseshoe button and rely on my reduced Disc. setting in my Custom mode/program.
Sorry to ramble.
Monte