The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold
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As expected, the DOJ did motion for summary judgement (thereby asking the court to end the case). I'm not able to post it in its entirety as the memorandum in support of their motion is 30 pages (very interesting and lays out an in-depth and compelling argument of the law and facts) and exhibits are over 200 pages (don't get too excited about the exhibits as the exhibits are mostly what I'd call cataloging pages, though there are some letters between the doj and Plaintiffs lawyers, so some of it is relevant). Anyone know a way to attach PDF's?
Having read the DOJ's memorandum in support of their motion, I have no doubt the DOJ will prevail. What i suspect Plaintiff will file in response is a laundry list of his grievances with no legal teeth.
Here's the motion itself, minus the memorandum in support of said motion and its exhibits:
Having read the DOJ's memorandum in support of their motion, I have no doubt the DOJ will prevail. What i suspect Plaintiff will file in response is a laundry list of his grievances with no legal teeth.
Here's the motion itself, minus the memorandum in support of said motion and its exhibits:
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But what FK is going to say, is that those "laws & facts" were manipulated and corrupted . Ie.: They were subjected to conspiracy against him, to steal the treasure. Thus no : There's nothing "compelling" there GoDeep. Other than the "compelling conspiracy"
And don't forget : The only reason that they have "no legal teeth", is because the FBI's & judicial system made every effort to MAKE SURE that there's no "legal teeth". So it's NOT that there's no "legal teeth". See ?
So No matter what you do with this, all the evidence points to : "Fabulous Treasure" !!
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If the court grants that, I would where FK will stand wth regards legal and court costs?
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The DOJ did not motion the court for any sanctions or attorney's fees against Plaintiff. This summer however, Plaintiff did motion the court asking them to compel the DOJ to pay them attorney's fees. The court did not grant their motion for attorney's fees at that time. I suspect Plaintiff may again motion the court to award attorney's fees, however, it is my opinion they will not be granted if they should motion the court again. So far, I'm batting 100 percent on my predictions...
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Thanks for that...Could the DOJ motion the court for attorneys fees against the Plaintiff at the end of the case?
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As if this wasn't already enough of our tax-payer time & money wasted, it will be a further insult (yet-more-tax-payer $$) if FK got Uncle Sam to pay for his legal costs.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again : As much as we all love to gripe about bureaucracy and govt., yet : In this case, I feel sorry for the pencil pushers who have been on the receiving end of all this.
And it's junk like this that merely FUELS THE SYSTEM, that creates rats-nests-of-expensive bureaucracy, IN THE FIRST PLACE ! Eg .: Why does FK think that this is burdensome legal hassles exist to overcome, IN THE FIRST PLACE ? It's because people & groups like his go and make-life hell for govt. to get their jobs done. So protocols like this get enacted. We love to gripe about the legal system, but it's guys like this, with cases like this, that CAUSED the system to be slow as molasses and expensive as all get out.
I see this first-hand in my line of work, where : The simplest of government projects (buying a coffee pot) is a 50 page contract ! Because, shucks, you have to make sure everyone got a chance to bid. That everyone is on the same page. That no one's being discriminated against for their sexual preference. That proper wages were paid during the assembly of the coffee pot, etc... Why ? Because decades and decades ago, people went griping non-stop. Thus, presto : More rules and more bureaucracy are needed .
Thus: It's groups like FK , that are merely the reason, for the very thing they now gripe about
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I don't believe they would. I believe if they were going to motion for any sort of sanctions, it would have been along with their summary judgement motion. I don't believe Plaintiff has done anything wrong (as it pertains to the instant case against the DOJ) that merits sanctions. As much as we now know there was no gold found, it actually wasn't the focus of the case. Plaintiffs case was about getting the FBI file, which he had a right to pursue.
Edit: To add, keep in mind, all the dishonesty we have uncovered didn't end up in his actual litigation against the DOJ. Apparently, his lawyer was careful to exclude any false accusations or allow her client to make false statements in their legal filings. No, he made all his false accusations and false statements elsewhere, on facebook and on the forums and in interviews, none of which had any bearing on his actual case against the DOJ.
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Thanks for that...I am just trying to get my head around his likely legal bill at the end of this..
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^ ^ Which is very telling, isn't it ? ^ ^ If the salacious material floated on our md'ing social media had any merit (ie.: If it were true and defensible ), then ... gee, you would think that would have been EAGERLY introduced into his legal pursuits. HHhhhmmmm
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^ ^ Which is very telling, isn't it ? ^ ^ If the salacious material floated on our md'ing social media had any merit (ie.: If it were true and defensible ), then ... gee, you would think that would have been EAGERLY introduced into his legal pursuits. HHhhhmmmm
Exactly. Recall back this summer when he motioned the court to put Lead FBI Agent Archer under oath and question him. His PUBLIC rationale for this (meaning Facebook, TreasureNet, Interviews etc) was that the FBI was forging and deleting evidence and that he had ironclad "proof" the FBI dug at night and removed several tons of gold under cover of darkness.
Now, if he actually had strong, tangible evidence that the FBI FOUND gold, FORGED EVIDENCE and DELETED evidence, it would have guaranteed him to win his motion. However, his actual LEGAL filings didn't contain any such evidence of forging, deleting, digging at night, or recovering even one ounce of gold. Nor did he even accuse the FBI of forging evidence or finding and removing 9 tons of gold under cover of darkness.
Why didn't he introduce this evidence to the court he publicly claimed he had, evidence that would have guaranteed him victory in depositioning under oath the lead FBI Agent? Because, he doesn't have any! When it came to the actual litigation, where lying will get you counter sued and in legal trouble for perjury, they only accused the FBI of vexatious litigation (legal action which is brought solely to harass or subdue an adversary) and concealing evidence. They didn't even have any evidence the FBI was hiding anything, just accusations, hence why they lost their motion.
I've been meaning to do a write up on this motion which centered around the "missing" video, that details Plaintiffs accusations and the DOJ's response, so I'll do a write up on it when I have time over the next week.
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I can only imagine. Tens of thousands of dollars easily.
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That was my thoughts, unless he can try to get his legal fees back from the DOJ?
It all seems a strange path to go down if he didn't believe there was gold in the first place and didn't genuinely believe the FBI took it?
Is he just deluded? Or maybe he thinks he will get his money back from TV and or Movie deals? Even that seems deluded to me....
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He thinks that when he finally gets his fabulous treasure, that that will more-than-offset his legal fees.
This is where go-Deep and I differ : I am still convinced that Dennis is sincere. Ie.: that he is actually so-deluded as-to-believe there was actually a treasure there. Such that to him : It's not a "strange path".
Yes it's inconceivable that people would/could actually believe something in light of all the evidence against it. But "treasure" plays tricks on people's minds. They put common sense aside. They put skepticism aside. Why ? Easy : Because no one wants to be laughed at "all the way to the bank".
I know go-Deep uses the word "lie". But I'll give Dennis the benefit of the doubt still. However, this merely means my adjective is just as much of an ad hominem though. While go-Deep's descriptive is "liar", mine would merely be "stupid". So I dunno which is the worse insult
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In no way do I think Dennis sincerely believes his bs.
After all of Dennis’s previous attempts at hoaxes (i.e. Templar vault and graves found) why do you think his Dent’s Run attempt is any different?
His efforts have never been nothing more than spinning a tall yarn hoping a cable tv show producer would like to make a fictional show about his fictional stories.
In no way do I think Dennis sincerely believes his bs.
After all of Dennis’s previous attempts at hoaxes (i.e. Templar vault and graves found) why do you think his Dent’s Run attempt is any different?
His efforts have never been nothing more than spinning a tall yarn hoping a cable tv show producer would like to make a fictional show about his fictional stories.
Great work GoDeep.
Glad to see all the hard work you put into this subject is actually allowed to stand for people to read who want to know the true story about the FBI dig at Dents Run.
Just promise me you wont dig into the Stonehenge in Nova Scotia hoax ....I am vested in that one....LOL
Glad to see all the hard work you put into this subject is actually allowed to stand for people to read who want to know the true story about the FBI dig at Dents Run.
Just promise me you wont dig into the Stonehenge in Nova Scotia hoax ....I am vested in that one....LOL
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Because this is how "blinding" that treasure is to some people. Yes they can be *that* deluded. So as to put-stock in several/multiple back-to-back ghost stories. One-after-another.
It's no different that people who are prone to fall for conspiracy theories: Even after one is shown to have perfectly benign explanations, yet ..... they're off to the next conspiracy theory. And at NO TIME being anything less than sincere.
As for media publicity (shows, potential pay, etc....) : Don't forget : Correlation and Causation are not necessarily the same thing. And so "fame" and "show & tell" are not necessarily a proof of someone "lying". I mean, shucks, we all show & tell our md'ing finds. No one will argue with their picture on the front of Rolling Stone or Sports Illustrated. So in that sense, You can't necessarily say that his seeking publicity, is therefore some sort of proof of nefarious intention or known-lying. It can simply be a part of his delusion.
Thus Yes : It's possible that Dennis is simply *this* deluded. And Yes, I remember his past claim of the treasure in the Civil war grave (straight out of Good/Bad/Ugly movie, eh ?).
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Haha.
The thing that is educational about this D.R. claim, is that it does reek of many of the past generations' treasure lores. Eg.: Oak Island, etc.... All the requisite ingredients. Eg.: Secret societies, conspiracies, insane depths, boobie-traps, skeletons, insane amounts of treasure, govt. interferences, etc..... Have you ever noticed all the common threads these stories share ?
But in THIS case, it's recent/current enough that we FINALLY have something to look at, where we can go to the primary sources. Unlike all the old yarns of 100+ yrs. ago, where ..... whenever you go to ask "says who" or "what is the proof", you are simply pointed to the legend itself, as proof of itself (circular reasoning ). But in the case of Dents Run, we FINALLY have something current-enough, that allows itself to be scrutinized first-hand.
So too do I wonder if all the old yarns (Yamashita. O.I, Lost Dutchman, Pearl ship, etc....) also don't have perfectly benign explanations, and are simply embellished nonsense. But that since they're 5+ generations removed, you can *never* put them to rest. Contrast to this one, and it becomes the perfect example of how "treasure legends are born". It allows us to look at how the legends of the past are probably simply the SAME EXACT PSYCHOLOGY of evolution.
Dennis' latest FB post...
