Nokta makro smf live launch!

[Cherry Picker]

$630 retail in the US. Should be a contender.

 

[markinswpa]

Just watched the release. Mixed feelings. The opening was a little hokey almost like they were reading from a scrip. I like the price, It looks pretty rugged. Not sure I like the control panel, looks like to many buttons too close together. Also the icons appeared way to small with a lot of other info jammed together on the main screen. She spared no pain bashing the Equinox 800 but on the other hand pointing out that the Legend had the same features as the 800.Even down to the same coil size's. So Minelab must have laid out a good platform for them to incorporate the same features in theirs. So beating the compatition or just playing catch up. I wonder if Minelab even perceives them as a threat ?

Don't get me wrong, I hope the Legend will be able to smoke out the iron and handle trashy sites. The clock, hour meter and flashlight are all nice little touches.

I believe they said it use's a 60 segment, still a compressed Id. I would like to have seen 0 to100. Also coil size, I think a 7.5 or 8 would have been a good choice and she said a 13 in. is their big coil. Why not 17 ? I will be interested to hear the tones she spoke of. Just my 2 cents. I guess we will have to wait and see. Mark

 

[atomicbrh]

What are the details on the battery?
Is it in the shaft or the hand grip?
What kind of battery does it use?
I have never had a simplex.
Is the battery the same as a simplex?
When she described the battery, the live link dropped.

 

[markinswpa]

What are the details on the battery?
Is it in the shaft or the hand grip?
What kind of battery does it use?
I have never had a simplex.
Is the battery the same as a simplex?
When she described the battery, the live link dropped.

atomicbrh, I saw the battery was a built in rechargeable Lipo battery, They claim 8 to 20 hr on a charge, setting dependant. Mark

 

[Trashfinder]

I watched the reveal and have some doubts. First I have never dug a bottle cap with my Equinox (EVER). Also the iron feature is nice but I can tell you from experience if people pass over targets like she showed the bottle cap being part iron part non ferrous, you will be missing good targets most likely. My record so far is 6 nails in a plug with a wheat penny with the NOX. And if I had of paid attention to the iron on that and other targets I would never have dug it. But with my settings, if I get a high tone, and it does not have to be constantly repeatable , I always recover a target of some kind that is non ferrous.

They never went into any kind of detail on how their multi freq analyzes targets and makes a determination of the signal. All we know is that it uses multi frequencies. One of the main reasons I use the NOX is my CTX and Etrac and other machines cannot come even close to the depth I get from the NOX. She stated that depth is not everything and that it has a very solid ID. I know to a lot of people ID is king and they base everything on it. When you get 40 plus years of detecting experience you have learned that at least on ever machine made so far which includes all the minelabs that sound is king if you want to find the targets everyone misses.

I hope that the machine has incredible potential but with no experience with multi freq and what was said in the reveal I am taking a wait and see stance. Minelab has over a decade of experience on Nokta with multi freq and that has to account for something. Look at the Garrett foray into Multi with the Apex, yes it made beach hunting acceptable but on land, it comes nowhere near an Equinox for target separation and depth.

I hope it turns out to be an incredible machine and worst case if it does not it will probably be a decent detector for the price they have stated.

 

[Redwaller]

I've watched it now, so I can comment more usefully.

The intro ad was hilariously scripted and bad. I don't know why they don't just name the equinox by name at that point. That being said I could distinctly relate to the sentiment of wanting to cut the marketing !!!!, anyway, with the ad.

I was distinctly impressed by their dedication to addressing what their customers wanted in a detector - I personally would be thrilled to have a clock actually, the 'losing track of time' problem is definitely one I regularly have. I saw nothing missing from the settings, and while yeah the small stuff on the screen might be a problem if it conveyed detecting relevant information, when you're changing the settings I'd expect you're not still swinging the detector, and can stop and get a better look- that stuff doesn't need to be legible at a glance. General features wise I had no complaints, it seems certain they're making this to be an answer to the equinox 800, they made sure to match or exceed its every detail that I'm aware of, though I'm not an expert on the equinox and might have missed something.

I was impressed they went with a truly live event, and answered some questions about the detector they didn't bring up on their own. Even if it did break a few times in rather important spots.

The only real complaint I have from the reveal is the name. "The Legend" sounds pretty cheesy if you ask me, not that most metal detector names aren't a blast of pure marketing propaganda. Also on this level of trivial, can we get some color variety in metal detectors? Everything is black except for the Garrett Ace series, which is a rather mustardy yellow, and the Minelab Vanquishes, which are a nice red. I'd be happy to see a detector with some blue accents in it or something, I don't know.

Only testing will tell if this thing proves to be as good as they've made it out to be, but as it's a detector within my price range promising to be basically a cheaper equinox, you bet they've got my attention. I can only hope that it's what I'm expecting.

 

[mh9162013]

I've watched it now, so I can comment more usefully.

The intro ad was hilariously scripted and bad. I don't know why they don't just name the equinox by name at that point. That being said I could distinctly relate to the sentiment of wanting to cut the marketing !!!!, anyway, with the ad.

I was distinctly impressed by their dedication to addressing what their customers wanted in a detector - I personally would be thrilled to have a clock actually, the 'losing track of time' problem is definitely one I regularly have. I saw nothing missing from the settings, and while yeah the small stuff on the screen might be a problem if it conveyed detecting relevant information, when you're changing the settings I'd expect you're not still swinging the detector, and can stop and get a better look- that stuff doesn't need to be legible at a glance. General features wise I had no complaints, it seems certain they're making this to be an answer to the equinox 800, they made sure to match or exceed its every detail that I'm aware of, though I'm not an expert on the equinox and might have missed something.

I was impressed they went with a truly live event, and answered some questions about the detector they didn't bring up on their own. Even if it did break a few times in rather important spots.

The only real complaint I have from the reveal is the name. "The Legend" sounds pretty cheesy if you ask me, not that most metal detector names aren't a blast of pure marketing propaganda. Also on this level of trivial, can we get some color variety in metal detectors? Everything is black except for the Garrett Ace series, which is a rather mustardy yellow, and the Minelab Vanquishes, which are a nice red. I'd be happy to see a detector with some blue accents in it or something, I don't know.

Only testing will tell if this thing proves to be as good as they've made it out to be, but as it's a detector within my price range promising to be basically a cheaper equinox, you bet they've got my attention. I can only hope that it's what I'm expecting.

I'm with you. I like the colors. But when the Vanquish came out, I remember some people mocking the fact that it was red. So it's one of those situations where you can't please everyone...

 

[PAslawslayer]

I have an equinox 800 and have dug a lot of bottle caps and will gladly continue to do so. This bottle cap thing has turned into a a defining line in detectors and I’m not sure why. I suppose if you’re detecting strictly a park scenario where you want to avoid that stuff, that’s fine But, for a person out there in the field or in a yard where you have no idea what could be there, that bottle cap signal scenario could be a good find that would be missed if you relied on an algo that said “skip it”.

I think this new Nokta machine has some real potential that has yet to be seen, however it’s all still going to come down to the person interpreting it as well as what you allow it to see. Such with the equinox or probably any other detector, you can make it not see stuff just as easily as you can make it see what you think you want to see.


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[atomicbrh]

I watched the reveal and have some doubts. First I have never dug a bottle cap with my Equinox (EVER). Also the iron feature is nice but I can tell you from experience if people pass over targets like she showed the bottle cap being part iron part non ferrous, you will be missing good targets most likely. My record so far is 6 nails in a plug with a wheat penny with the NOX. And if I had of paid attention to the iron on that and other targets I would never have dug it. But with my settings, if I get a high tone, and it does not have to be constantly repeatable , I always recover a target of some kind that is non ferrous.

They never went into any kind of detail on how their multi freq analyzes targets and makes a determination of the signal. All we know is that it uses multi frequencies. One of the main reasons I use the NOX is my CTX and Etrac and other machines cannot come even close to the depth I get from the NOX. She stated that depth is not everything and that it has a very solid ID. I know to a lot of people ID is king and they base everything on it. When you get 40 plus years of detecting experience you have learned that at least on ever machine made so far which includes all the minelabs that sound is king if you want to find the targets everyone misses.

I hope that the machine has incredible potential but with no experience with multi freq and what was said in the reveal I am taking a wait and see stance. Minelab has over a decade of experience on Nokta with multi freq and that has to account for something. Look at the Garrett foray into Multi with the Apex, yes it made beach hunting acceptable but on land, it comes nowhere near an Equinox for target separation and depth.

I hope it turns out to be an incredible machine and worst case if it does not it will probably be a decent detector for the price they have stated.

Not only sound but depth.
Sound and depth are both king.

 

[KOB]

I watched the reveal and have some doubts. First I have never dug a bottle cap with my Equinox (EVER). Also the iron feature is nice but I can tell you from experience if people pass over targets like she showed the bottle cap being part iron part non ferrous, you will be missing good targets most likely. My record so far is 6 nails in a plug with a wheat penny with the NOX. And if I had of paid attention to the iron on that and other targets I would never have dug it. But with my settings, if I get a high tone, and it does not have to be constantly repeatable , I always recover a target of some kind that is non ferrous.

They never went into any kind of detail on how their multi freq analyzes targets and makes a determination of the signal. All we know is that it uses multi frequencies. One of the main reasons I use the NOX is my CTX and Etrac and other machines cannot come even close to the depth I get from the NOX. She stated that depth is not everything and that it has a very solid ID. I know to a lot of people ID is king and they base everything on it. When you get 40 plus years of detecting experience you have learned that at least on ever machine made so far which includes all the minelabs that sound is king if you want to find the targets everyone misses.

I hope that the machine has incredible potential but with no experience with multi freq and what was said in the reveal I am taking a wait and see stance. Minelab has over a decade of experience on Nokta with multi freq and that has to account for something. Look at the Garrett foray into Multi with the Apex, yes it made beach hunting acceptable but on land, it comes nowhere near an Equinox for target separation and depth.

I hope it turns out to be an incredible machine and worst case if it does not it will probably be a decent detector for the price they have stated.

Oh man....your killing me ! . Ok.... your name is Trashfinder. And yet you have NEVER , EVER dug a bottlecap with the Nox. Then , to top it off...in the next sentence , you say it's a mistake to pass up bottlecap type sounds because you could be passing up good targets. So which is it ? . 40 years huh ? . And at least 3 of those are missing good targets I actually do have 40+ years , mainly on salt beaches. Sorry bro , you can't be a Trashfinder if you don't dig the caps ( and missing gold). Your killing me smalls !!!

 

[Trashfinder]

Oh man....your killing me ! . Ok.... your name is Trashfinder. And yet you have NEVER , EVER dug a bottlecap with the Nox. Then , to top it off...in the next sentence , you say it's a mistake to pass up bottlecap type sounds because you could be passing up good targets. So which is it ? . 40 years huh ? . And at least 3 of those are missing good targets I actually do have 40+ years , mainly on salt beaches. Sorry bro , you can't be a Trashfinder if you don't dig the caps ( and missing gold). Your killing me smalls !!!

No i have never dug a bottle cap yet with nox, other machines lots of them. IF I WERE USING THE LEGEND and it was even close to the NOX ,, NO I WOULD NOT PASS UP those signals ,, you are correct. I do not get tones on bottle caps with the NOX ever. Unless i was to go to all metal lol. You just took it the wrong way.

 

[Trashfinder]

Not only sound but depth.
Sound and depth are both king.

Totally agree!

 

[KOB]

No i have never dug a bottle cap yet with nox, other machines lots of them. IF I WERE USING THE LEGEND and it was even close to the NOX ,, NO I WOULD NOT PASS UP those signals ,, you are correct. I do not get tones on bottle caps with the NOX ever. Unless i was to go to all metal lol. You just took it the wrong way.

I thought something smelled fishy. You probably do alot of dirt digging. Here on So.Cal beaches , if you don't dig some caps , with any machine , you are doing it wrong. Heavily infested though , you definitely want that horseshoe. Many a gold have come from bottlecap signals.

 

[Trashfinder]

I thought something smelled fishy. You probably do alot of dirt digging. Here on So.Cal beaches , if you don't dig some caps , with any machine , you are doing it wrong. Heavily infested though , you definitely want that horseshoe. Many a gold have come from bottlecap signals.

All my experience is dirt fishing. 800 to 1000 miles to beaches. But I hope to someday be able to hit the beaches after I retire. I am probably to dang old I don't have another 40 years to learn to be a very successful salt beach hunter.

 

[diggindaboot]

I watched the reveal and have some doubts. First I have never dug a bottle cap with my Equinox (EVER). Also the iron feature is nice but I can tell you from experience if people pass over targets like she showed the bottle cap being part iron part non ferrous, you will be missing good targets most likely. My record so far is 6 nails in a plug with a wheat penny with the NOX. And if I had of paid attention to the iron on that and other targets I would never have dug it. But with my settings, if I get a high tone, and it does not have to be constantly repeatable , I always recover a target of some kind that is non ferrous.

They never went into any kind of detail on how their multi freq analyzes targets and makes a determination of the signal. All we know is that it uses multi frequencies. One of the main reasons I use the NOX is my CTX and Etrac and other machines cannot come even close to the depth I get from the NOX. She stated that depth is not everything and that it has a very solid ID. I know to a lot of people ID is king and they base everything on it. When you get 40 plus years of detecting experience you have learned that at least on ever machine made so far which includes all the minelabs that sound is king if you want to find the targets everyone misses.

I hope that the machine has incredible potential but with no experience with multi freq and what was said in the reveal I am taking a wait and see stance. Minelab has over a decade of experience on Nokta with multi freq and that has to account for something. Look at the Garrett foray into Multi with the Apex, yes it made beach hunting acceptable but on land, it comes nowhere near an Equinox for target separation and depth.

I hope it turns out to be an incredible machine and worst case if it does not it will probably be a decent detector for the price they have stated.

You don't beach hunt. EVER. It's technically impossible to beach hunt and not dig a bottle cap. If you aren't digging bottle caps in the field, then you aren't hunting fields with bottle caps. Either that or you just don't dig numbers in the 14-19 vdi.

 

[atomicbrh]

You don't beach hunt. EVER. It's technically impossible to beach hunt and not dig a bottle cap. If you aren't digging bottle caps in the field, then you aren't hunting fields with bottle caps. Either that or you just don't dig numbers in the 14-19 vdi.

Mrs. atomicbrh and I hunt it all: cw relics in the field, coins in parks and athletic fields and anything on beach trips which are becoming more frequent because all the little grandgems live near beaches. Bottle caps will vary greatly in numbers with all detectors depending on their metallurgy, degree of rust, depth, age, orientation and how much they are flattened or pristine.
For those reasons, we dig them because they mimick the good stuff.
Old vintage bottle caps indicate people have been there during the correct time period to lose good coins and we are in the right spot.
What amazes us is how good the cheap thin foil seals from small individual serving juice drink bottles and the same kind of seals from the small 2 cycle oil bottles sound.

 

[John Madill]

I would have hoped the VDI numbers would match up to the Simplex+. The Vanquish and Equinox displays and numbers are very much alike. I would think this would make an upgrade easier to learn.

the numbers are totally different between the Simplex+ and the Legend. But i do like the look of it.

I have had the Simplex+ for 8 months and have become pretty well acquainted with it. I just bought an Equinox 600 and it is going to take some time getting used to it. I wonder if the transition to the Legend would be easier.

 

[diggindaboot]

Mrs. atomicbrh and I hunt it all: cw relics in the field, coins in parks and athletic fields and anything on beach trips which are becoming more frequent because all the little grandgems live near beaches. Bottle caps will vary greatly in numbers with all detectors depending on their metallurgy, degree of rust, depth, age, orientation and how much they are flattened or pristine.
For those reasons, we dig them because they mimick the good stuff.
Old vintage bottle caps indicate people have been there during the correct time period to lose good coins and we are in the right spot.
What amazes us is how good the cheap thin foil seals from small individual serving juice drink bottles and the same kind of seals from the small 2 cycle oil bottles sound.

Those suckers give perfect gold chain/earring tones and vdi. You just can't pass them up.

 

[Trashfinder]

You don't beach hunt. EVER. It's technically impossible to beach hunt and not dig a bottle cap. If you aren't digging bottle caps in the field, then you aren't hunting fields with bottle caps. Either that or you just don't dig numbers in the 14-19 vdi.

Oh ya there are lots of caps where I hunt. I do not dig 14-18 because of pull tabs and the probability of gold is slim the places i hunt. I have never dug a cap at 19,,, but i have dug a lot of indians!!!! Sometimes i break out the max or the f75 and believe me,,, there are caps!!!!!!!!!!! I just have a lot of years of experience and i know the NOX well and trust me when i tell you i do not dig iron or caps.. Now i have pulled as many as 6 nails from a plug,,, so technically i did dig some iron... But i always get something non ferrous as the main target.

 

[DiggingThePNW]

That lady was the worst presenter ever. The marketing is cheesy as hell. And the name is extremely cocky the whole launch was tacky. However it’s priced at a good point and sure it will sell well and work fine. Unfortunately it still sounds like the script from Mars attacks and that’s a hard sound to work with in my opinion.

If I add another machine it’s going to be the deus 2. I have two noxs and finally feel I know them pretty well one machine has over 2000 hrs on it. Hard for me to switch again. However the deus looks like a beast. This not as much.