Nokta Accupoint?

[pryan67]

Has anyone used an Accupoint yet? I'm thinking about a new pinpointer, and curious if it's worth it. I have an XP MI4 and the Carrot of course...

Is there any benefit?

 

[BobOso]

I have one, if you have used a garrett, the Accupoint will be a challenge for about 5 min. I recover the target faster with the accupoint than the garrett. I used a garrett for years, usually digging to China, only to find my target on the side of the hole, the accupoint is a huge improvement, currently my go to pinpointer.

 

[pryan67]

I have one, if you have used a garrett, the Accupoint will be a challenge for about 5 min. I recover the target faster with the accupoint than the garrett. I used a garrett for years, usually digging to China, only to find my target on the side of the hole, the accupoint is a huge improvement, currently my go to pinpointer.

Great, thank you. How does the accupoint help with the digging to china bit? I have the same challenge with the Garrett sometimes.

 

[wltdwiz]

i also have the banna & i like it

 

[Cherry Picker]

How is the sensitivity? I've watched a video on YouTube where the salesman tried to compare all the favorite models to the AP. It was obvious the AP wasn't as sensitive/deep as the Carrot or TRX, but he tried his best to make it look like it was. The TRX won out. I just need my pinpointer to be 360° or it takes me forever sometimes to find a target.

 

[markinmichigan]

Here is my thoughts on the AP. LOVE the fast and easy transfer between the pointer and the Legend. Instant. LOVE the ferrous discrimination. LOVE the screen with everything you need to know.

Darn thing has a hard time with coins on edge. Went out today with the carrot and the AP. Carrot picks the coin on edge and the AP went quiet unless I was right on top of it.

Still LOVE it and will keep carrying both for a bit.

Mark in Michigan

 

[randy]

I just got mine. Air test shows Accupoint about 10% more range vs Carrot, both on default factory settings, but I don't put too much stock in air tests. Hope to get out this week for head to head testing, and play with the ferrous discrimination. One nice thing is that it charged up very quickly from right out of the box.

 

[Cherry Picker]

I like the price, somewhat, but I still say give me a $40 Carrot/Banana. I can see the use some may have for the new features, but I just want to press a button to turn it on and find my target. To me, it seems like having a can opener on your Leeches. But hey, to each their own. It seems to be a good pointer.

 

[BobOso]

How is the sensitivity? I've watched a video on YouTube where the salesman tried to compare all the favorite models to the AP. It was obvious the AP wasn't as sensitive/deep as the Carrot or TRX, but he tried his best to make it look like it was. The TRX won out. I just need my pinpointer to be 360° or it takes me forever sometimes to find a target.

no, the sensitivity is not as good as the carrot, sure wish garrett would reintroduce the TRX, that was the best pinpointer.

 

[Diga]

I like the price, somewhat, but I still say give me a $40 Carrot/Banana. I can see the use some may have for the new features, but I just want to press a button to turn it on and find my target. To me, it seems like having a can opener on your Leeches. But hey, to each their own. It seems to be a good pointer.

Well, it is a pinpointer that you can "press a button to turn it on and find your target". It's not like the end user is forced to use the other features . Those who have used the pinpointer, really seem to enjoy being able to easily see and adjust the sensitivity level, see the battery level, etc.

I was planning on getting a new pinpointer next spring, but I'm thinking about getting a PI instead of VLF.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Well, it is a pinpointer that you can "press a button to turn it on and find your target". It's not like the end user is forced to use the other features . Those who have used the pinpointer, really seem to enjoy being able to easily see and adjust the sensitivity level, see the battery level, etc.

I was planning on getting a new pinpointer next spring, but I'm thinking about getting a PI instead of VLF.

If it had those features for $40 I'd be tickled. If those features are being used to validate the $80 price, I'd rather have a $40 Carrot. I don't need a display to set a pinpointer. I would never use iron discrimination on a pointer. I do like the USB charging, but everything now has USB charging it seems. It is bigger than a pointer needs to be. It seems to have issues with EMI. I have never had EMI on my Carrot. The only complaint is the on my Nokta Makro Simplex+. the Simplex+ caused interference and I'd have to shift the frequency on my Simeplx+ from the default 2 to 1 every time I turned on my Simplex. I have never ever had a detector make my pinpointer unusable or even make noise except with the Simplex+

Just my opinion, but if they wanted to add a useful feature why not put a magnet on the backend? I glued a refrigerator magnet on the back of my Carrot I can use to test a find for iron, or use it to find those pesky paperclips and bobby pins.

 

[Diga]

CP,

$40 Carrot, $80 Accupoint????? Where the heck are you getting your prices from?

Also, I've never had a problem with EMI on a pinpointer. I don't even think the coil is big enough, or sensitive enough, to pick up the weak signals of EMI. My pinpointers on my high EMI sites, and high EMI right in my house, aren't picking up EMI. The only interference problems I've had with a pinpointer, is the interference from whatever detector I was using. It's also possible that with a high gain pinpointer, component noise may be heard at maximum gain.

BTW- What do you mean that it's "bigger than it needs to be"? It's about the same size as any other competing pinpointer.

 

[Cherry Picker]

CP,

$40 Carrot, $80 Accupoint????? Where the heck are you getting your prices from?

Also, I've never had a problem with EMI on a pinpointer. I don't even think the coil is big enough, or sensitive enough, to pick up the weak signals of EMI. The only interference problems I've had with a pinpointer, is the interference from whatever detector I was using.

I watched a video on the AP just yesterday where the user was talking about how he had to dial down the AP because of the EMI. Anybody who has used the Simplex+ with the Garrett Carrot knows of the interference. They don't play well together.

We know about the Carrott hack I wear a ring and slide it down to about midway until the Carrott starts to beep. Back it off and the Carrot can easily hit a 4" target. Only the PI pinpointer comes close. That is only if I need it to go 4". I never miss a target when I need my pointer to go that deep. but it can if I want.

I'm just saying I'd love a $40 Carrot. I think the Carrot is way too much as well. I'm just saying I'd do with the basic Carrot features if I could get a comparable PP for $40.

 

[Diga]

I watched a video on the AP just yesterday where the user was talking about how he had to dial down the AP because of the EMI. Anybody who has used the Simplex+ with the Garrett Carrot knows of the interference. They don't play well together.

Usually when we talk about EMI, we differentiate between interference from a detector, and EMI from sources such as electrical lines, wi-fi, etc. Sure, if a detector is operating at the same frequency of a pinpointer, and they're right beside each other, then interference will happen.

So unless that person stated what was the source of the EMI, then it doesn't mean anything.
In addition, I've read countless reviews of the AP on the Facebook pages, and no one complained about the AP and EMI. Again, other than detector interference, I don't think it's possible for a pinpointer to pick up EMI, for the reasons, and examples, I mentioned previously.

Those Facebook pages have far more AP comments comparing the AP to the Carrot, then forums like FMDF do. About half claim the AP has the same or better depth than the Carrot, and the other half claim a little less depth than the Carrott. So,????

Also, the AP is about the same price as it's competitors, yet has a screen, rechargeable battery, etc.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Again, other than detector interference

Nitpicking? LOL. OK, call it what you want, it made my Carrot useable unless I shifted the frequency down. That would have been fine, but since the Simplex+ doesn't keep basic settings, I had to do it every time I turned on my Simplex+.

I've got no problem with Nokta Makro stuff. I had the Racer, Racer 2, and the Simplx+ and thought they were great detectors. I still put the Simplex+ as the best detector for the price. The X-Terra Pro gives it a run for the money, but I'd rather pay a bit more for the more stable VDI of the Simplex+

I have the tendency to tell it as I see it, no sugar coating here, and people often take it the wrong way. Prove me wrong and I'll be the first to accept it, but until then I'll stick to my guns.

 

[markinmichigan]

Dig,
"About half claim the AP has the same or better depth than the Carrot, and the other half claim a little less depth than the Carrott. So,????"

From my limited time and hunts with the AP, the carrot finds coins on edge faster than the AP. I was out yesterday with both and saw this first hand. Try it for yourself.

Mark in Michigan

 

[Diga]

From my limited time and hunts with the AP, the carrot finds coins on edge faster than the AP.

Mark in Michigan

Yes Mark, I read what you posted, but I don't know how that relates to what I said. I said:

Those Facebook pages have far more AP comments comparing the AP to the Carrot, then forums like FMDF do. About half claim the AP has the same or better depth than the Carrot, and the other half claim a little less depth than the Carrott.

In other words, I see a lot of depth inconsistency from people who are comparing the AP to the Carrott.

 

[Diga]

I have the tendency to tell it as I see it, no sugar coating here, and people often take it the wrong way. Prove me wrong and I'll be the first to accept it, but until then I'll stick to my guns.

I'm just stating the facts. Honestly CP, you sure have posted some odd stuff in this thread. Examples:

1) "The $40 Carrot / $80 Accupoint" thing.

2) "The AP is bigger than it needs to be". Yet, it's about the same size as its competitors.

3) "I like the price, somewhat, but I still say give me a $40 Carrot/Banana. I can see the use some may have for the new features, but I just want to press a button to turn it on and find my target". Yet, that can be done with the AP.

 

[Cherry Picker]

I'm just stating the facts. Honestly CP, you sure have posted some odd stuff in this thread. Examples:

1) "The $40 Carrot / $80 Accupoint" thing.

2) "The AP is bigger than it needs to be". Yet, it's about the same size as its competitors.

3) "I like the price, somewhat, but I still say give me a $40 Carrot/Banana. I can see the use some may have for the new features, but I just want to press a button to turn it on and find my target". Yet, that can be done with the AP.

Its really not that hard. I'm saying I would much rather pay $40 for a pointer as simple as the Carrot than $80 for a pointer with a can opener. I could be wrong I'm just going by the $80 I thought they want for the Accupoint. It is about as big as many of the competitors, and that is still bigger than it needs to be.

Even though the Carrot is smaller, I'd like to see an even smaller one.

I'm simply saying give me a Carrot, or Banana, with simple turn on and off and the same performance for $40 over these $100+ pointers with a lot of what I feel are unneeded features. Just my opinion. I feel a pinpointer should be a simple device, and they charge way too much for them now. Once they start adding junk, it justifies a high price.

 

[Diga]

Once they start adding junk, it justifies a high price.

If that "junk" as you call it, justifies a high price, then why is the AP priced about the same as the competitor's pin pointers, that don't have that junk?

Incidentally, although you might not like that junk, the overwhelming consensus, is that people are quite enjoying the features.