Minelab Manticore

[cellrdwellr]

Looking forward to seeing in field usage, I had heard they started shipping manticores. Dependant on a few things, I may buy a new toy next year. This equinox is getting old

 

[Dan(NM)]

I can see that happening for one of the nails, but he tested 4 nails, and they all ID'd as a high conductor.

What we can't see from the video is whether or not the VDI number has the red line under it which indicates a ferrous target. There are 99 ferrous numbers as well as 99 non ferrous. Ferrous targets will give a VDI, but the number will have a solid red line underneath. I'm sure someone will do a close up shot of the screen showing this.

 

[Diga]

What we can't see from the video is whether or not the VDI number has the red line under it which indicates a ferrous target. There are 99 ferrous numbers as well as 99 non ferrous. Ferrous targets will give a VDI, but the number will have a solid red line underneath. I'm sure someone will do a close up shot of the screen showing this.

Thank you for that Dan. Now it makes sense.

After reading your explanation, I went to watch the video again, but it's now private

 

[Dan(NM)]

Thank you for that Dan. Now it makes sense.

After reading your explanation, I went to watch the video again, but it's now private

He made the video private shortly after he posted it .... maybe he realized he said "all day long" one to many times

 

[Diga]

He made the video private shortly after he posted it .... maybe he realized he said "all day long" one to many times

Although I'm glad I was able to view it, because it confirmed my long held suspicion that the "2D ID Map", is really just a ferrous / nonferrous visual indicator that all target ID detectors already have. For example, the target ID numbers in of themselves, the target ID scale, the D2's X/Y screen, the Legend's Ferrous/nonferrous ratio meter.

 

[woodbutcher]

Although I'm glad I was able to view it, because it confirmed my long held suspicion that the "2D ID Map", is really just a ferrous / nonferrous visual indicator that all target ID detectors already have. For example, the target ID numbers in of themselves, the target ID scale, the D2's X/Y screen, the Legend's Ferrous/nonferrous ratio meter.

Bingo

 

[woodbutcher]

I hope the guys that buy this machine don't get let down thinking they're gonna walk into they're beat up wore out spots and start pulling good stuff. Especially if they already own a equinox and wore those spots out with the equinox.
I'm sure the manicore is a good machine, but so is the equinox. I'm not seeing the end game in the manicoy,I've watched the videos and to me it looks and seems to be a repackaged equinox, with a few tweaks and new eye candy on the screen. . I'll be watching for sure,and hoping im wrong for the sake of the hobbie

 

[Diga]

I'm sure the manicore is a good machine, but so is the equinox. I'm not seeing the end game in the manicoy,I've watched the videos and to me it looks and seems to be a repackaged equinox, with a few tweaks and new eye candy on the screen. . I'll be watching for sure,and hoping im wrong for the sake of the hobbie

So far, that's exactly what I'm seeing as well.

I say "so far", because there is only one thing left that might set the Manti apart from the Nox, Legend, D2, or other SMF detectors. That is, the details in how many frequencies are transmitted, and how much power is given to those frequencies. For example, the Manti might be transmitting less similar to a Nox, and more similar to BBS and FBS. If so, it will have better ID at depth, but BBS and FBS is power hungry, and also has poor recovery speed (poor unmasking and separating ability). So, maybe Minelab was able to incorporate some BBS and FBS characteristics, while overcoming the serious flaws of BBS and FBS?

 

[Cherry Picker]

I hope the guys that buy this machine don't get let down thinking they're gonna walk into they're beat up wore out spots and start pulling good stuff. Especially if they already own a equinox and wore those spots out with the equinox.
I'm sure the manicore is a good machine, but so is the equinox. I'm not seeing the end game in the manicoy,I've watched the videos and to me it looks and seems to be a repackaged equinox, with a few tweaks and new eye candy on the screen. . I'll be watching for sure,and hoping im wrong for the sake of the hobbie

I agree. I think we'd seen this already if this new label of "Iron Bias" amounted to much. I have some hope that the hyped "50% more power" might pan out as something, and I like the idea of the 2D display for potentially better TID at a greater depth, but so far the videos I've seen don't show it.

Personally, I think this whole "UnMasking" hype, and relabeling old concepts would have amounted to old sites giving up the goods again if there was anything to them. But hey, some things got to be new to sell new detectors. Right? LOL

I think if there was some game-changing tech out there we would have already seen the results. Just my opinion.

I shouldn't be such a downer tho. I think the Equinox, D2, & Legend have a lot to offer compared to what we were paying just 5 years ago. The Manticore has promise. I do think we've just hit the wall on VLF technology as far as performance. Lots of cool features on the new machines, and I'm sure there will be pleanty more.

 

[Surf Master]

Agree

With you all , however one more point I would like to add , Release date , they want to capture sales for Christmas , End of the year and those pre-sale bait video's were worthless , bring me a WP- PI machine ML , my money will be in your ML - bank , starting to wonder if this is just the start , of the 5 machines ML is bringing out in the future , this being # 1 , just a whiskey sour with a twist , yet just another vlf , and ML figured out some D2 technology putting more juice to the coil , instead of the D2 with the battery in the coil style , all of you that decided to pull the trigger , thankyou , Ill sit back & watch , while my money is still in the bank PS , I gave up buying every new machine that comes out , until proven my Equinox will do fine for fresh dropped beaches , NOW a new PI to get to the hard pan on my beach- replenished- beaches , I would have to pull the trigger , good PIs are getting rare , back to the Manticore , I give everything a fair shot , looking forward to the reviews , happy hunting .

 

[Diga]

ML figured out some D2 technology putting more juice to the coil , instead of the D2 with the battery in the coil style

Most detectors put out about the same transmit power at any given time, and they are limited to that power by government regulations.

The D2 doesn't have a powered coil because of "more juice to the coil". The D2's coil battery is to power the coil's wireless feature.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Most detectors put out about the same transmit power at any given time, and they are limited to that power by government regulations.

The D2 doesn't have a powered coil because of "more juice to the coil". The D2's coil battery is to power the coil's wireless transmitter.

Kind of what I was thinking. Seems to me FCC put a limit (5w?) on metal detector output and we hit that years ago. Now technically, if that is 5w per primary transmitted frequency, then IF they had 50% more primary frequencies, they could claim 50% more power to the coil.

Half a decade ago my priorities would have been depth, depth, depth, and it still is to a point, but you gotta love what XP has done with the Deus as far as ergonomics. I can swing one of them all day.

 

[longbow62]

I'm excited about this detector. I think y'all are missing the difference in a strictly X/Y D2 style display and the Minelab 2d target trace. For one thing you can't see multiple targets with the D2 X/Y screen. You can see multiple targets with the 2D. Nails clearly did not come in on the center non-ferrous line. They were above and below. No you won't be able to tell what non-ferrous material the target is with the Manticore, but you can't with any other detector either. I think it will be the best at visually distinguishing iron from non-ferrous. I think the 2D target trace will give you much more information than just the X/Y screen on the D2.

I also think size and screen layout is a big plus over the D2. Your not straining to see things. A huge amount of audio tweaking options. Less stuff to mess with charging. Capable of hooking up an external battery pack should you need it. Capable of running wired headphones in a pinch.

 

[Surf Master]

Digalicious

I didn't know the FCC controlled detectors to like CBs , back in the day , being a truck driver that 5 W Didn't mean squat to us , , if it's limited , than there you go , the MANICORE will be just like all the rest , a few bells whistles , new screen , no big deal

 

[sube]

What we can't see from the video is whether or not the VDI number has the red line under it which indicates a ferrous target. There are 99 ferrous numbers as well as 99 non ferrous. Ferrous targets will give a VDI, but the number will have a solid red line underneath. I'm sure someone will do a close up shot of the screen showing this.

Good point Dan I to was looking for the red minus could not see . Aside from that there's still a target on the non-ferrous line . So how is one going to determine if we have a good target with a bad as opposed a falsing nail giving a high and low .
I know you can get rid of most nail falsing by messaging the target coil angle and so on . That's why this looks similar to the ctx but the ctx would have done better ID wise with the bent nail .

Don't get me wrong I see a lot of promise in this machine audio speed and all the different search modes I lived with falsing with all machines I have had in the last 53 years nothing new then again I don't have the manticore yet I may be talking out of my #ss as far as I know .

Gee where did that video go hummm sube

 

[Diga]

Kind of what I was thinking. Seems to me FCC put a limit (5w?) on metal detector output and we hit that years ago. Now technically, if that is 5w per primary transmitted frequency, then IF they had 50% more primary frequencies, they could claim 50% more power to the coil.

I don't know the exact power limit, but ya, that limit was reached a long time ago, and that's why old school detectors are capable of going as deep as the new detectors, as long as the ground isn't highly mineralized. There's a really good Minelab "Treasure Talk" article that not only talks about how that limit was reached, but talks about the problem of slow recovery with FBS and BBS. I'll try to find that article.

For your latter sentence, that's what I'm thinking as well. Which of course, would mean more processing and less recovery speed...just like BBS and FBS. Unless they found a solution to that? But for a few reasons, I doubt it.

 

[CarsonChris]

The 2D target trace red line is only shown in all metal mode. If all metal is off then target trace is your only indicator of ferrous or non ferrous.

 

[Surf Master]

Digalicious

I am not an electronics wizzard , I am a beep & dig guy , more so with PIs , since you brought up FBS & BBS , I asked OBN to chime in here , as he's a expert in this field , on his thoughts , I personally would like to here his opinion on this machine , before it hits the hands of hunter's & After testing 6 months in , later .

 

[GeoW]

Watch testers build this thing up as the best thing yet, then make a 180 turn and knock it down with the XP Deus II.

Mark my word! History does repeat!

 

[Crumble]

Although I'm glad I was able to view it, because it confirmed my long held suspicion that the "2D ID Map", is really just a ferrous / nonferrous visual indicator that all target ID detectors already have. For example, the target ID numbers in of themselves, the target ID scale, the D2's X/Y screen, the Legend's Ferrous/nonferrous ratio meter.

The big thing you guys are missing, is with a detector such as the Legend, you can't just Disc out Ferrous. You have to disc out the low target ID's (11 and lower), which the code in the software assumes are iron by default. As someone who mainly hunts for gold, that is a big no no, small gold can hit as low as 6 (and probably lower) on the Legend. With the Legend, when hunting for gold, my only option is to hunt in all metal and carefully scan each target (iron and all) using the ferrous meter as a guide whether to dig. That is super time consuming.

With the CTX and now the Manticore 2D ID, you can disc out according to how ferrous the target is, or by ID number. That is a big deal.