How can Rap be called music?

[Rudy]

I miss the old music. There was no autotune to make a mediocre singer sound great.
The audience didn’t throw things at the performers, instead they sat quietly and enjoyed the show.

This song originally came out in 1955, in the movie "Unchained". It has been covered by over
670 singers and recorded over 1000 times. Harry Belafonte, Todd Duncan (the first African American
opera singer), Elvis Presley, Barry Manilow, the Platters, Perry Como, Roy Orbison, U2, Cyndi Lauper,
LeAnn Rimes, Phil Collins, Neil Diamond, Hall and Oates and Elvis Presley, have all sang this song.

But, nobody has ever done it better than Bobby Hatfield (Aug 10, 1940 – Nov 5, 2003) of
the Smothers Brothers.

LIVE on stage in a 1965 Andy Williams show, one take, no autotune, a young Bobby, suffering from a head
cold and nervous as hell because his Mom was in the audience to hear him sing live for her first time,
proceeded to humbly demonstrate his four octave range countertenor singing prowess.

Even kids today are in awe when they hear his version of this song.

If you didn’t hear this song in the ‘60s, you might have heard it in 1990, when it was featured in the Patrick
Swayze/Demi Moore film “Ghost.”

I am old enough to have heard it in 1965, as I liked to view the Andy Williams show and I still get goosebumps
when I hear it.

 

[hoser]

Yep I remember that for sure and yep I did hear it in the 60's. It was great then and it's even greater now. Thanks Rudy.

 

[Iggyks]

You threw me for a loop when you said Smothers Brothers lol. But agreed, best version of a great song.

 

[John Madill]

There is a new combination of Rap and Country Music.

It's so called CRAP.

 

[Cfmct]

Good thread... I liked heavy metal, still do.... but I also will listen to rap as my employees who were young listerned to it in my truck... I listen to a Candian rapper today he raps about real things going on in the world... that was the original reason for rap.. he is a independent and isn't afraid to spit the truth... Tom MacDonald...

 

[Cherry Picker]

Amazing voice.

I have a "correction" box in my home studio but it was more for curiosity than to be used. Being a child of the 50s, when the most amazing tech at the time was television, I have always been intrigued by new technology. Same reason the Go Terrain has my attention. I know I'm looking at the beginning of future detecting tech and I like to experience it for myself. It is this fascination that got me into computers in the 80s.

In the 90s I wrote a detecting program called Finders Keeper. It was a way to log your finds at the time, but I had great expectations for the program to use future tech. It already had the beginning ability to send live feeds to social media platforms so a person could live feed a recovery. It was also ready to take snapshots of your log files/finds and with one button, upload them to a social media site. I was just ahead of the social media craze. Live feeds to Tic Toc and Facebook were not around yet. I saw future potential in my program and that is what was driving me to develop it. While a lot of detectorists probably look at Go Terrain as nothing they would use, I see the interface technology my program Finders Keeper needed back in the 90s.

I box Rap in with DISCO. I love music from Hank Williams to Motley Cure, but I've just never clicked with Rap or DISCO. I am a fan of 80s metal. In my opinion, 80s metal was the peak of music talent, especially for guitar playing. It has gone downhill since. I couldn't name one top hit of today.

 

[Diga]

I like all sorts of music including metal and classical. Some favorites for me are Iron Maiden, Abba, and "heavy" lol, overtures and symphonies. I'm not a fan of most rap, but I do like some. I also like some classic country music, but I despise that newer country / pop crapola.

Also, that "LIVE on stage in a 1965 Andy Williams show". Well, it's a beautiful song with a great singer, but it doesn't at all sound live to me. Sounds pre-recorded to me

Here's a "real" live performance of one of the best metal songs, and from one the best metal vocalists and bands. Iron Maiden's "Hallowed Be Thy Name".

 

[Cherry Picker]

I like all sorts of music including metal and classical. Some favorites for me are Iron Maiden, Abba, and "heavy" lol, overtures and symphonies. I'm not a fan of most rap, but I do like some. I also like some classic country music, but I despise that newer country / pop crapola.

Also, that "LIVE on stage in a 1965 Andy Williams show". Well, it's a beautiful song with a great singer, but it doesn't at all sound live to me. Sounds pre-recorded to me

Here's a "real" live performance of one of the best metal songs, and from one the best metal vocalists and bands. Iron Maiden's "Hallowed Be Thy Name".

Another amazing voice. The difference between talent and technology is getting slimmer every year. Here is another amazing voice that never gets the recognition they deserve. It is a Christian metal band called Stryper. Not just an amazing singer, but the guitar players are top notch as well. Our band SWITCH used to play this song.

I think this band, like others, found themselves in the middle of the "80s Big Hairmetal" band frenzy, and while very good, there were a lot of very good bands at that time. Competition was tough so they changed their genre to Heavy Metal Christian to lessen the competition.

 

[Diga]

I vaguely remember the band name Stryper from my teenage metal head days. The video you posted is the first time I've heard them. I do appreciate the raw talent, but they're a little too on the "glam / fem" side for my metal tastes. I'm more into the aggressive, masculine metal.

 

[Cherry Picker]

I vaguely remember the band name Stryper from my teenage metal head days. The video you posted is the first time I've heard them. I do appreciate the raw talent, but they're a little too on the "glam / fem" side for my metal tastes. I'm more into the aggressive, masculine metal.

Here is a short video of the other guitarist, Randy Flowers, and me doing the harmonizing lead on the same song Calling On You. It was recorded live at the Lakeshore Club on VHS camera LOL.

The only Rap I could find myself able to listen through the whole thing was a couple done by Kid Rock. Don't know the names, but I could listen to them without having to turn the radio down.

 

[aj0421]

I don't listen to rap but I am offended by this thread posting. No one cares but at no time would I post that I don't like other types of music. How about not singling out of genre? You are a admin so I guess you can do what you want. This kind of posting leads to unnecessary drama and racial comments...my two cents.

 

[stetam]

Racial comments??

Steve

 

[markinswpa]

I miss the old music. There was no autotune to make a mediocre singer sound great.
The audience didn’t throw things at the performers, instead they sat quietly and enjoyed the show.

This song originally came out in 1955, in the movie "Unchained". It has been covered by over
670 singers and recorded over 1000 times. Harry Belafonte, Todd Duncan (the first African American
opera singer), Elvis Presley, Barry Manilow, the Platters, Perry Como, Roy Orbison, U2, Cyndi Lauper,
LeAnn Rimes, Phil Collins, Neil Diamond, Hall and Oates and Elvis Presley, have all sang this song.

But, nobody has ever done it better than Bobby Hatfield (Aug 10, 1940 – Nov 5, 2003) of
the Smothers Brothers.

LIVE on stage in a 1965 Andy Williams show, one take, no autotune, a young Bobby, suffering from a head
cold and nervous as hell because his Mom was in the audience to hear him sing live for her first time,
proceeded to humbly demonstrate his four octave range countertenor singing prowess.

Even kids today are in awe when they hear his version of this song.

If you didn’t hear this song in the ‘60s, you might have heard it in 1990, when it was featured in the Patrick
Swayze/Demi Moore film “Ghost.”

I am old enough to have heard it in 1965, as I liked to view the Andy Williams show and I still get goosebumps
when I hear it.

I agree Rudy, best version of that song ever. It wasn't till I was older that I realized what a powerful voice the guy had. When we were young, eh it was a good song but more for chicks. Just watched that video not too long ago, have it bookmarked. Didn't know the backstory, thanks for the info. As far as rap music goes, I don't even consider it music. I wish there was some type of remote device I could use to blow their speakers when they come pounding it through my neighborhood or pull up next to me in traffic and force that crap into my ears. Don't get me started. lol Mark

 

[stetam]

Here is a short video of the other guitarist, Randy Flowers, and me doing the harmonizing lead on the same song Calling On You. It was recorded live at the Lakeshore Club on VHS camera LOL.

The only Rap I could find myself able to listen through the whole thing was a couple done by Kid Rock. Don't know the names, but I could listen to them without having to turn the radio down.

Cherry Picker you were jammin!

Steve

 

[Diga]

I don't listen to rap but I am offended by this thread posting. No one cares but at no time would I post that I don't like other types of music. How about not singling out of genre? You are a admin so I guess you can do what you want. This kind of posting leads to unnecessary drama and racial comments...my two cents.

You're offended because someone posted what kind of music they don't like? Wow!

Also "leading to drama and racial comments" is a stretch. Actually, it's kind of ludicrous.

 

[Longhair]

Good thread... I liked heavy metal, still do.... but I also will listen to rap as my employees who were young listerned to it in my truck... I listen to a Candian rapper today he raps about real things going on in the world... that was the original reason for rap.. he is a independent and isn't afraid to spit the truth... Tom MacDonald...

My preferred genre is older rock, but I'm with you on Tom MacDonald. While he's predominantly a rapper, he's quite a bit more diverse an artist and does a lot more than just rap.

For years, I hated rap. IMO, most of it was nothing more than rythmic chanting, and to me that wasn't music. Then Tom Came along and changed all that. His stuff is understandable and meaningful, and depending on the cut there is quite a bit that is actual music as we know it. He has several tunes that have topped the Billboard Charts in Pop and Alternative like the love song he wrote for his girlfriend called "Ghost". His latest release (Superman) is acoustic, with no autotune, and is pertinent to things going on in the world today. Check it out on YouTube.
I actually know more people over 60 following him than I do young people.

 

[stetam]

I grew up in the mid 70's so that era music will always be my favorite. Jethro Tull, Uriah Heep, Skynyrd, Pink Floyd. But I can listen to any music. Even Eminem who was quite clever with his songs.

Steve

 

[Diga]

I grew up in the mid 70's so that era music will always be my favorite. Jethro Tull, Uriah Heep, Skynyrd. But I can listen to any music. Even Eminem who was quite clever with his songs.

Steve

That's what I like about Eminem...his songs are quite clever and even tell a good story!

That Tom MacDonald guy sounds interesting. I think I'll check out some of his music.

 

[Longhair]

That's what I like about Eminem...his songs are quite clever and even tell a good story!

That Tom MacDonald guy sounds interesting. I think I'll check out some of his music.

He's another white rapper, originally from Canada but lives in the U.S. now. He's also 100% independent, so he doesn't get any airtime on the radio because there isn't a label pushing his stuff. That alone makes it miraculous that he tops the charts so often. It's his content that grabs people's attention, just like it did mine.

 

[Martin_V3i]

Racial comments??

Steve

Where did racial get included?