Slimpickuns
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Hmmmmm, this thread sure is sounding mighty "political"....
Vaccine
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aviationgale
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Covid is a real threat to those who already have health problems like my husband who suffers from asthma, COPD, heart problems and well the list goes on. If I drag that garbage in here he is as good dead. So minimum contact with people is a must in my house......
amc rulz
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Yes. They are also at risk for cold and flu.
cellrdwellr
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the ignorance in these last few pages is mind boggling! This is why our country has become the mecca of the virus.
You have the people who take it serious, and others who think its "just a cold" and ruin the whole process for the rest of the country, by rebelling. Would you please give me an example where the common cold or flu killed over 1.7 million worldwide, in less than a year? *crickets*
Rudy
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What's your point?
Here in California, we registered 379 deaths yesterday, up 60% from 14 days ago. Covid deaths in California now stand at 23,633 as of yesterday.
In our county, as of yesterday, out of four hospitals, there are 3 ICU bed available.
In the US, one person is dying from covid every 30 seconds. I lost a friend to covid two days ago.
T-Man
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My father in law had congestive heart failure a few weeks back and was in the ICU of the local hospital. He's 75, diabetic, high blood pressure, a fib, 29% kidneys function and has more meds in his house than Walgreens. Tested negative for Covid when in the local hospital, as soon as he transferred to the big government funded university hospital he immediately tested positive. That was 2 weeks back, not a single Covid symptom and don't think you can get higher risk then he is. Had he passed while there get would of been a Covid death. Anyone who tells me these numbers as not extremely inflated are blind. Also know people personally in the health field who doubted the tests, sent in sterile unused samples and got a 70% positive return on them. I'm not saying it doesn't exist or can bad for some people but I do fully believe it's highly exaggerated and numbers are very skewed. Just my opinion. Believe whatever you like. I'll wear a mask when shopping just to put others fears at ease but unless I have my military issue M50 gas mask I know it's not doing much good other then optics.
Rudy
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Tests are not perfect. There are false positives and false negatives.
I don't know of anybody that stays in an ICU without having any symptoms. I am sure they have better things they could be doing.
One can debate the test accuracy, but it is kind of hard to argue with the actual number of deaths and even harder to argue with the excess mortality statistics.
T-Man
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There was a study out from John Hopkins about a month that was expected to show that mortality rate spike but actually showed no change between 2019 and 2020, exact opposite of what they expected, odd when I just tried to pull it up again I saw they were forced to retract it. Assume there was plenty of threats to remove funding if that stayed posted.
Rudy
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Why don't you start with this? https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/flawed-analysis-leads-to-false-claim-of-no-excess-deaths-in-2020/
Then you can follow that article with this one from John Hopkins https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/09/01/comorbidities-and-coronavirus-deaths-cdc/
Lastly, the CDC's excess mortality report https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm
You have the people who take it serious, and others who think its "just a cold" and ruin the whole process for the rest of the country, by rebelling. Would you please give me an example where the common cold or flu killed over 1.7 million worldwide, in less than a year? *crickets*
You are spot on cellr
This is the reason its going to be hard to eradicate
jordanmills
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Sure, definitely not the same as the common cold. But the common cold is not the same as the common cold. The "common cold" is a huge group of coronaviruses with similar characteristics and classed as rhinoviruses.
That article seems to build a strawman from what they want to make the question say, then defeats the strawman, and uses that to claim the question is wrong. The link is dead now, but it's likely that the claim was completely correct. The "common cold" is caused by a coronavirus, exactly the same family of coronaviruses that includes novel COVID-19.
When has the common cold killed 338,000 plus in less than a year...
This is exactly why this country is number 1 in deaths and cases... because some have chosen to not wear a mask or take precautions? I cannot take that chance being a caregiver...
Diabolik
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My neighbor is a front line worker and got her first shot a few days ago. She said her arm is a little sore at the injection site, but beyond that has not seen any side effects. Will be interesting to see what happens with shot #2 as I believe that is when more of the flu like symptoms may appear.
jordanmills
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I never said it did. I said they're in the same family. Which is pretty easy to look up and verify.
Two things about the deaths and precautions:
1. Look at the relative numbers of other causes of death. Deaths related to COVID-19 are rising, all others are falling. Deaths due to cardiac disease and influenza are down about 20%. That's exactly what you'd see if deaths were misattributed. It seems pretty obvious that the numbers are not quite as clear as the news wants to make them appear.
2. Why is there a spike in deaths when everyone is wearing masks? Especially people who have or are around people at higher risk? It's like the masks aren't really doing a whole lot, and people are using them with false confidence when they should be isolating people who have high risk factors and quarantining people are infected/likely infected.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to tell you to play fast and loose, especially as a caregiver for a person at high risk. Rather the opposite, that you, more than most people, probably need to make sure you're empowered with knowledge of effective infection control measures. Also, look into it more yourself, don't get medical advice from some random guy on the internet (duh)... or broadcast tv news or politicians.
graybeard
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People have been dying for years. Now that there is a virus going around people have not died from anything other than the virus. Everyone's death certificate list as a covid death. So we can say that the covid has cured heart attacks, cancer, auto accidents.... etc.
I said this morning to myself I was done with this thread..
This is it my last post...
Not all masks are equal those who wear neck gators, bandana's and many of these homemade masks might as well wear nothing as a study was done at Duke university... I wear nothing but N95 masks 5 layers of protection, I have at all times hand sanitizer, I wash each thing I bring into my house, there is still the 5% chance a viral particle can get through my N95.. I wear my safety glasses when out and about..... it can get in through your eyes, mouth and nose... who knows about your ears..
I stay away from people further than the 6 feet as its not enough... a scientist said it should be 14 to 27 feet its not feasible when shopping..
I see so many with their masks under the noses..
Some fools will die. Sadly many others who might not be fools such as their friends and relatives will also die - in part because of the fools.
There is a reason it is called PUBLIC HEALTH.
Of course fools will not listen - and the only really sad part is that if they are young and otherwise healthy fools they may suffer little or none - while thos that they infect will suffer greatly and perhaps perish
Such selfish and sinful behavior -
There is a reason it is called PUBLIC HEALTH.
Of course fools will not listen - and the only really sad part is that if they are young and otherwise healthy fools they may suffer little or none - while thos that they infect will suffer greatly and perhaps perish
Such selfish and sinful behavior -
T-Man
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Sorry I must of missed the memo that the ICU is only for COIVD patients now. I guess they send people with heart attacks to the local Urgent Care or Little Clinic these days.
Cherry Picker
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As someone who worked in the medical environment for 25 years, I can say this. Out ICU is fool of COVID-19 patients only, and has been for months. Many deaths. Masks work, but as has been said, not all masks are equal. The key is being used properly. Washing hands is a big spreader. You touch many places others do and then touch your mouth, eyes, or nose.
For those who get the vaccine, I have been told have a thousand times better antibody protection. It is believed it will protect you even from the new variant B1.1.7 and is expected to last years. If you catch the COVID-19 and your body makes the antibodies, it is said to maybe last 3-4 months and you can catch it again, or the new variant.
Wear a mask in public, keep your social distance (6') Wash your hands often. Simple. Be safe and keep others safe.
For those who get the vaccine, I have been told have a thousand times better antibody protection. It is believed it will protect you even from the new variant B1.1.7 and is expected to last years. If you catch the COVID-19 and your body makes the antibodies, it is said to maybe last 3-4 months and you can catch it again, or the new variant.
Wear a mask in public, keep your social distance (6') Wash your hands often. Simple. Be safe and keep others safe.
Rudy
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