Vaccine Mandate

[KOB]

It amazes me the variety of responses here regarding this topic. Some , who I thought were smart and had common sense , obviously have not learned anything in life but to be a good hunter. A few are totally on point.

I have given up looking at guys older than me (60) for any worldly advice outside of detecting. At least here anyway. It appears that when you reach a certain age , you just say "to heck with it". No one is going to tell me what to do. I have always believed , no matter what your age , you could always learn something. I guess I was wrong. Maybe because you live in Jerkwater USA , that's how life is. You have given up and just don't care. You're relegated to digging clad in your own backyard , idk. Hopefully they have good cell service at the hospital so their family can say goodbye. But "what the heck", it was their choice. One guy and his family posted they got covid and it looks like they are going to make it . A couple others almost seem like they are looking forward to ending it all.

 

[diggindaboot]

Getting vaccinated DOES NOT mean you won't get infected. What it does mean is that IF YOU DO your chances of being put in the hospital or dying are virtually gone.

This is an example of what misinformation does. People see on political sites the misinformation saying that "I know lots of people that got vaccinated and still got the virus so it doesn't work" No one said the vaccination keeps you from getting infected. What they do say is it keeps you from ending up in the hospital or the morgue.

This is also why wearing a mask is again being suggested because, since you can still get infected even when vaccinated but not end up in the hospital or morgue, you can still pass it on to those not vaccinated. That is why until last week those that had been vaccinated could gather without masks.

Just like the flu shot. It doesn't mean you won't get the flu, it means IF YOU DO it will be much less serious.

This is also why I call it political. Because it is those sites/people with political motives that pass on this misinformation.

Oh it's political. Just not for the reasons you think. You still won't answer the question. Why wear a mask if you're vaxxed ? Mask aren't going to prevent you from spreading or contracting squat. You would have to wear a space helmet for that to happen.

 

[BOZ]

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[diggindaboot]

It amazes me the variety of responses here regarding this topic. Some , who I thought were smart and had common sense , obviously have not learned anything in life but to be a good hunter. A few are totally on point.

I have given up looking at guys older than me (60) for any worldly advice outside of detecting. At least here anyway. It appears that when you reach a certain age , you just say "to heck with it". No one is going to tell me what to do. I have always believed , no matter what your age , you could always learn something. I guess I was wrong. Maybe because you live in Jerkwater USA , that's how life is. You have given up and just don't care. You're relegated to digging clad in your own backyard , idk. Hopefully they have good cell service at the hospital so their family can say goodbye. But "what the heck", it was their choice. One guy and his family posted they got covid and it looks like they are going to make it . A couple others almost seem like they are looking forward to ending it all.

Which few ? The one's that agree with you ? Jerkwater USA is the capital of California isn't it ? You've been vaxxed and free to wear your mask, so wear it and feel safe. Me wearing a mask and getting vaxxed isn't going to help you. You can still spread or contract C19 either way.

So people who eschew the vaxx are the new boogeymen huh ? All because they won't listen to kob.

 

[Travis798]

Getting vaccinated DOES NOT mean you won't get infected. What it does mean is that IF YOU DO your chances of being put in the hospital or dying are virtually gone.

I call BS to this. I personally know people that are in the hospital right now after getting Vaxxed. I also know (knew) someone who died days after getting vaxxed. I'll never be convinced that otherwise seemingly healthy man wasn't a casualty of the shot. Heart failure was what they called it, right about the time it came out the vaxx was causing young peoples heart to swell

This is an example of what misinformation does. People see on political sites the misinformation saying that "I know lots of people that got vaccinated and still got the virus so it doesn't work" No one said the vaccination keeps you from getting infected. What they do say is it keeps you from ending up in the hospital or the morgue.

And yet if people came in here saying they know people that got the shot and died, you'd excuse it because it doesn't fit YOUR narritive

This is also why wearing a mask is again being suggested because, since you can still get infected even when vaccinated but not end up in the hospital or morgue, you can still pass it on to those not vaccinated. That is why until last week those that had been vaccinated could gather without masks.

The delta variant may end up proven to be caused by the shot its self. If you'll look at where it started, it was in areas with high vax rates. The lambda variant is proving in labs to be vaccine resistant. Your poke isn't going to help you like you think it will.

Just like the flu shot. It doesn't mean you won't get the flu, it means IF YOU DO it will be much less serious.

My own experience with the flu shot is watching my Grandfather get it and get very sick with the flu after getting it every year he did. Years he didn't get it, he didn't get sick. The doctors say it's not possible and mere coincidence though, so what do I know.

This is also why I call it political. Because it is those sites/people with political motives that pass on this misinformation.

This is by far the truest statement in this post. It is extremely political. Those that stand to benefit politically are ensuring the spread of misinformation and "adjusted" data to the world regarding the effectiveness of the vaccine and of masking up. Many people such as yourself are buying that misinformation hook, line, and sinker and are getting angry at those that choose to think for themselves and make their own decisions regarding their healthcare

 

[Metal detecto]

My third-grade teacher said once, "If someone is doing something you don't like, don't make them happy by showing you're mad."

I enjoy the well-pointed posts that show your opinion. Please keep it like that.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Oh it's political. Just not for the reasons you think. You still won't answer the question. Why wear a mask if you're vaxxed ? Mask aren't going to prevent you from spreading or contracting squat. You would have to wear a space helmet for that to happen.

Please show me the proof that proves masks don't work? I'm waiting....

You can't because it is just more political !!!! you got from some site with a political agenda. I can show you many statements from reputable doctors & scientists stating mask do in fact reduce the spreading of COVID-19.

 

[longbow62]

It amazes me the variety of responses here regarding this topic. Some , who I thought were smart and had common sense , obviously have not learned anything in life but to be a good hunter. A few are totally on point.

I have given up looking at guys older than me (60) for any worldly advice outside of detecting. At least here anyway. It appears that when you reach a certain age , you just say "to heck with it". No one is going to tell me what to do. I have always believed , no matter what your age , you could always learn something. I guess I was wrong. Maybe because you live in Jerkwater USA , that's how life is. You have given up and just don't care. You're relegated to digging clad in your own backyard , idk. Hopefully they have good cell service at the hospital so their family can say goodbye. But "what the heck", it was their choice. One guy and his family posted they got covid and it looks like they are going to make it . A couple others almost seem like they are looking forward to ending it all.

KOB why are you many others here so terrified of COVID-19? Statistically if your in the 50-69 age group you have a 1-200 chance of dying if you get it. That's 0.50%. I would not call that an automatic death sentence if your 50-64 and get the virus. I don't feel that personally I need a vaccine with those kind of odds of dying with COVID-19.

 

[diggin4clad]

If reading the truth bothers you I'm sorry, but unless you can prove it wrong, then I will keep repeating the truth.

If you take just a little time to look it up for yourself, you'd find that all the science and doctors are saying "if you haven't been vaccinated or have gotten COVID yet, you will sooner or later." COVID has now started mutating so the talk is it will more than likely become a part of the seasonal flu shot.

Being nasty? How about the fact that we must wear a mask because of all those that refuse to be vaccinated? Knowing that you will sooner or later get infected if not vaccinated or have already gotten it, then you're making everyone else bow down to your choice to prolong the inevitable, and have to wear masks. What I posted was simple common sense and fact.

The truth doesn't bother me.....but you can't PROVE what your spitting out is the truth either.

ALL the doctors are saying that? Far from the truth !

Wearing a mask is your choice, it's not because of the unvaccinated. Who were you blaming before the vaccines came out? As for bowing down, you sure seem to want others to bow down to your point of view.

 

[mh9162013]

Regardless, the flu still kills people.

But how effectively it does so make a big difference in how we should deal with it.

 

[diggindaboot]

Please show me the proof that proves masks don't work? I'm waiting....

You can't because it is just more political !!!! you got from some site with a political agenda. I can show you many statements from reputable doctors & scientists stating mask do in fact reduce the spreading of COVID-19.

Blah blah blah. You won't answer the question. If you can still spread and contract with a mask and vax, why get the vax and wear the mask ? The question you can't and won't answer.

 

[Rock Jock]

Getting vaccinated DOES NOT mean you won't get infected. What it does mean is that IF YOU DO your chances of being put in the hospital or dying are virtually gone.

This is an example of what misinformation does. People see on political sites the misinformation saying that "I know lots of people that got vaccinated and still got the virus so it doesn't work" No one said the vaccination keeps you from getting infected. What they do say is it keeps you from ending up in the hospital or the morgue.

This is also why wearing a mask is again being suggested because, since you can still get infected even when vaccinated but not end up in the hospital or morgue, you can still pass it on to those not vaccinated. That is why until last week those that had been vaccinated could gather without masks.

Just like the flu shot. It doesn't mean you won't get the flu, it means IF YOU DO it will be much less serious.

This is also why I call it political. Because it is those sites/people with political motives that pass on this misinformation.

Johns Hopkins has an interesting chart of the case fatality ratio. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
The US is charted as being 1.7%. That is considerably better than our neighbor to the South, which is at 8.4%. I note that Bangladesh (a lower 1.7%) and India (1.3%) are both better than the US. Both of these countries have been forced to partially rely on Ivermectin for lack of access to the jabs.

"No one said the vaccination keeps you from getting infected. What they do say is it keeps you from ending up in the hospital or the morgue."
This same argument can also be used for Ivermectin but without altering your genome and if you do contract coronavirus, it blunts the effects and duration while leaving you with natural immunity. Do no harm!

The Good Doctor with some thoughts regarding masks.
https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-said...ctive-keeping-out-virus-email-reveals-1596703

What's another flip flop, right.

 

[GKL]

Does anyone go detecting anymore ? Those who do, how many detect with a mask on ?

seeing how busy this thread is at times you wonder how much detecting is being done right now

Normally I would be detecting more frequently than I have been, but we recently went thru a period with heat indexes as high as 105, now I have had times before where I've detected on extra warm days, and would get soaked with sweat and still had fun finding only 3 or 4 coins and the usual trash because I simply enjoy detecting, but the really extreme days even if you wanted to endure the heat, the ground can be a little unforgiving for digging plugs then we might have days in a row with rain, so there are sometimes periods during the summer where you simply watch for windows of opportunity to detect in between all that

As far as wearing a mask while detecting, it has usually been very rare for anyone to come within about 30 feet of where I am detecting so no need to, but I do carry a mask in my shirt pocket to have ready to put on in just in case for the very rare times someone might come right up real close to talk, especially if I am downwind from them

Edit to add: If I wear a mask that is my choice, if someone chooses to not wear a mask that is their choice, if any businesses require a mask to enter, that is their choice. I may not agree with everything others have to say, but I respect their right to have their own views even if I disagree with them.

 

[Travis798]

Please show me the proof that proves masks don't work? I'm waiting....

You can't because it is just more political !!!! you got from some site with a political agenda. I can show you many statements from reputable doctors & scientists stating mask do in fact reduce the spreading of COVID-19.

If you want to take a few minutes and look, there is plenty of proof that cloth masks are ineffective, yet they still urge people to wear them. An N95 mask is more effective, yes, but they don't want a massive run on them and run out again.

Would you wear a cloth condom to sleep with someone HIV positive? What about just handling their bodily fluids with a pair of cloth gloves? No? So why insist that cloth masks work and people should wear them?

I remember when this all started, Fauci was screaming from the rooftops NOT to wear a mask, they wouldn't offer much if any protection and may make things worse because you will increase the frequency that you touch your face while wearing and adjusting it all the time. They have obviously turned around since then, probably after mask manufacturers paid the right people the right amounts of money.

 

[Cherry Picker]

For those who really care to know the facts, you can either do the search yourself for "Do Masks reduce the spread of COVID-19 or here is the results. I posted it so many times I'm not going to play the game of the political hounds.

The key here is they are yelping about the masks don't stop the spread, which only those with an agenda attempt to pass off, when the question of does a mask reduce the spread of COVID-19 is yes from all legitimate sources. Check yourself.

"Can wearing face coverings reduce the spread of COVID-19?

If worn properly, face masks, surgical masks, or respirators may reduce the chance of spreading a COVID-19 infection between you and those around you. The CDC provides information on Using PPE and Considerations for Wearing Masks.Jun 30, 2021"

 

[SeabeeRon]

For all you Fauci deniers and haters...

https://www.bio.org/press-release/b...ys-criticisms-undermine-our-response-pandemic

 

[Travis798]

For all you Fauci deniers and haters...

https://www.bio.org/press-release/b...ys-criticisms-undermine-our-response-pandemic

OMG, a CEO who stands to profit from Fauci's stance is defending Fauci's stance? Staggering. Consider my mind changed. It all MUST be true!

 

[Travis798]

For those who really care to know the facts, you can either do the search yourself for "Do Masks reduce the spread of COVID-19 or here is the results. I posted it so many times I'm not going to play the game of the political hounds.

The key here is they are yelping about the masks don't stop the spread, which only those with an agenda attempt to pass off, when the question of does a mask reduce the spread of COVID-19 is yes from all legitimate sources. Check yourself.

"Can wearing face coverings reduce the spread of COVID-19?

If worn properly, face masks, surgical masks, or respirators may reduce the chance of spreading a COVID-19 infection between you and those around you. The CDC provides information on Using PPE and Considerations for Wearing Masks.Jun 30, 2021"

MUCH of what they say at one moment get revised into something different later. These people are very good at lying without most people realizing they are lying. Look at their wording, full of potential "outs" and selective wording. "If worn properly" can be said any covid spread if everyone did start wearing face masks could be blamed on improper usage. "may" reduce the chance of spreading. They did not say WILL reduce the chance of spread.

Since you yourself have previously posted the vaccine reduces your chances of death to almost zero, I'll leave you with this.

"State epidemiologist Dr. Rachel Herlihy said Colorado documented 2,074 cases, 92 hospitalizations and three deaths among fully vaccinated residents from July 1 to July 24. The unvaccinated accounted for 80 percent of cases, 87 percent of hospitalizations and 92 percent of deaths.

So in other words, breakthrough cases for just those three weeks represented about 20 percent of cases, 13 percent of hospitalizations and 8 percent of deaths." If 8 percent of deaths is almost zero, then there aren't many deaths to begin with?

 

[KOB]

Which few ? The one's that agree with you ? Jerkwater USA is the capital of California isn't it ? You've been vaxxed and free to wear your mask, so wear it and feel safe. Me wearing a mask and getting vaxxed isn't going to help you. You can still spread or contract C19 either way.

So people who eschew the vaxx are the new boogeymen huh ? All because they won't listen to kob.

I think you're missing my point. It's the few that have good commonsense in general life. That are still open to learning something new. Nobody HAS to agree with my point of views. When it comes right down to it , it doesn't matter , nor do I care. I am high risk for my age , so I chose to do something about it. I took a logical , commonsense precaution. That's all. There is no guarantee on anything. Just trying to better my odds. Many ignore the odds and that's fine by me. But I've seen many interviews from hospitals where these people ask for the shot and it's too late. That WAS their commonsense thinking...lol. As far as Jerkwater , USA....that's from Rambo ! And yeah that is the Capitol of California , and all across the nation for that matter. At least I got the sack to admit it . If I can't laugh at myself , others won't laugh with me or AT me. IDC , as long as you are laughing , life is good !

 

[Cherry Picker]

MUCH of what they say at one moment get revised into something different later. These people are very good at lying without most people realizing they are lying. Look at their wording, full of potential "outs" and selective wording. "If worn properly" can be said any covid spread if everyone did start wearing face masks could be blamed on improper usage. "may" reduce the chance of spreading. They did not say WILL reduce the chance of spread.

Since you yourself have previously posted the vaccine reduces your chances of death to almost zero, I'll leave you with this.

"State epidemiologist Dr. Rachel Herlihy said Colorado documented 2,074 cases, 92 hospitalizations and three deaths among fully vaccinated residents from July 1 to July 24. The unvaccinated accounted for 80 percent of cases, 87 percent of hospitalizations and 92 percent of deaths.

So in other words, breakthrough cases for just those three weeks represented about 20 percent of cases, 13 percent of hospitalizations and 8 percent of deaths." If 8 percent of deaths is almost zero, then there aren't many deaths to begin with?

On this we can agree. The information is constantly changing making it hard to know what to believe. What needs to be realized is that any new virus is fluid, meaning as new information comes in over time, suggested actions can change.

I have seen many make the claim that the CDC has "changed their minds again about mask efficiency" and I point back to the actual CDC site and it is always and has been the same. Masks CAN reduce the spread of COVID-19.

I recommend people read it directly from the CDC site not the many sideshow URL's. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html

As for your other concern, the CDC also addresses those that have been hospitalized and or died.

"If you get COVID-19 after vaccination, your symptoms might be less severe
There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. Despite this, some fully vaccinated people will still be hospitalized and die. However, fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people with similar risk factors who are not vaccinated."

"Breakthrough cases" are people that have been vaccinated yet still got the virus.

Hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases reported to CDC 6,587
Female 3,193 (48%)
People aged ≥65 years 4,868 (74%)
Asymptomatic infections 1,219 (19%)
Hospitalizations* 6,239 (95%)
Deaths† 1,263 (19%)

VS 60,000 deaths of non-vaccinated. I define that as virtually none.