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Ole Calabash Bashes Legend Again

Just to be clear. I have nothing against Calabash, TNSS or anybody else. I simply don't get why anyone should take shots at perfectly good metal detectors like the Equinox, Etrac, CTX 3030, Excalibur, Legend, various PIs or any other decent detector just because they are not called Deus 2....

As far as the Legend having a fixed iron bias setting......heck yeah I want the Legend to have user adjustable iron bias settings. It is too good of a detector to be shackled by a factory preset iron bias setting that is not user adjustable.

As far as FerroCheck....it is not meant to be some earth shattering, all encompassing iron identification feature. It is just a tool. But it actually works within the parameters that Nokta Makro set for it which may vary a bit from site to site depending on conditions.
 
My first 2 hunts with the legend were mainly for the purpose of testing ferrocheck.

Long story short, I dug every target that ferrocheck showed as having at least some ferrous material, even if it showed an intermittent 1 bar toward ferrous. Most of those targets turned out to be bottle caps, and the remaining few were some other ferrous trash target.

By using ferrocheck in a trashy park like environment, with the 6" coil, and a high recovery rate, I can dig coin after coin without wasting a lot of time digging up most bottle caps.
 
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Digalicious said:
My first 2 hunts with the legend were mainly for the purpose of testing ferrocheck.

Long story short, I dug every target that ferrocheck showed as having at least some ferrous material, even if it showed an intermittent 1 bar toward ferrous. Most of those targets turned out to be bottle caps, and the remaining few were some other ferrous trash target.

By using ferrocheck in a trashy park like environment, with the 6" coil, and a high recovery rate, I can dig coin after coin without wasting a lot of time digging up most bottle caps.
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Your experience has been similar to mine.

FerroCheck works just fine if you even half way follow the instructions and use common sense like accepting at least some of the iron target ID range and increasing the iron audio volume level a bit so the Legend will give a clearly audible audio alert on shallower iron alloy targets like steel crown bottle caps when the OUTSIDE edges of the DD coil passes over the target. The center spine of the DD coil will very likely give a strong non-ferrous response on steel alloys.

There is absolutely nothing unusual about this type of DD coil behavior in relation to steel alloy targets. It can be seen when using any decent quality detector that has ferrous/non ferrous tone abilities and good separation. The Equinox displays almost exactly the same behavior when iron bias is set on Minelab's default settings and even the mighty Deus 1 displays the same behavior as far as center spine of the coil and the coil edges along with having opposite ferrous/non-ferrous horseshoe graph responses just like the Legend........So I don't get what CD's problem is.....all of this malarky just makes him look foolish.

I am not trying to give Calabash a hard time here. But I won't sit idly and listen to and watch a YouTube creator erroneously characterize a detector's feature or features that they happen to not like as a marketing gimmick, get rid of it, its junk, it should be on a Garrett Ace detector...etc. Go hunt with the detector instead of fabricate tests that it will fail at and use it like the manufacturer intended by knowing the manual.
 
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Interesting video put out today 4/22/22 again by Calabash about the Legend and its FerroCheck feature. If you care to watch it, it is here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xe25dyh59E&t=906s

I am not going to spin anything here and I haven't been spinning before. I am just a normal guy who loves metal detecting and good quality metal detectors. I also like the truth. Calabash said I have had lots of critical things to say about Deus 2.......and I don't even own one. I actually have half of one (WS6 module) and am still waiting for a standalone 9" coil. My criticism in the direction of Deus 2 has been aimed at people like Calabash and their characterizations of the Deus 2, not the detector itself. My only major dislike of Deus 1, ORX and Deus 2 are PWM audio and the WS4, WSA and WS6 headband headphones which don't fit my head and never will. Its no big deal and XP fixed my PWM allergy by also offering Square Wave audio on Deus 2.

Calabash's actual video showed the truth. His commentary did not always align with what his camera is showing just as his commentary about me and Friendly doesn't align with the truth either.

Here is a quote from the Legend manual about Ferro Check:

IMPORTANT! For the FerroCheck feature to work the detector must receive a strong signal. Therefore, FerroCheck is designed to work with shallower targets.

Here is a quote from the Deus 2 manual about IAR Discrimination:

Programs 8 Gold Field and 9 Relic Field use another discrimination method called IAR (Iron Amplitude Rejection) This allows rejection of ferrous items according to their distance from the coil.

Here is a quote from the Deus 1 manual concerning IAR:

The IAR discrimination (Iron Amplitude Rejection): A range of discrimination that can be applied from 0 to 5. It applies only to targets that produce strong signals-typically shallow ferrous items. It will not reject deeper targets which may come across as ferrous when they are buried in mineralized ground to ensure good targets are not rejected by mistake.

Calabash showed the Deus 2 horseshoe feature working well on those targets that he chose also.

Deus 1's horseshoe feature works well too but its reliability just like any other iron probability meter is based on signal strength and has its limits too.

So, FerroCheck is simply an iron probability meter for shallower targets or targets with strong signals. As Calabash correctly showed and as Nokta Makro clearly stated (along with XP in their manual unlike Minelab which never tells you that the Equinox iron bias feature has depth/signal strength limitations too) it is designed to help identify ferrous, mixed ferrous/nonferrous and non ferrous targets and has its limits.

Nokta Makro requesting the user make longer sweeps is to help identify those shallower steel alloy targets like crown bottle caps which will usually give ferrous responses on the outer edges of DD coils and non-ferrous responses on the center spine and to possibly give the Legend a better look at deeper targets that are right at the signal strength limits of the FerroCheck feature which is variable according to target size and ground conditions.

Calabash could have demonstrated that mixed steel alloy characteristic in this latest video but he didn't. He chose to find the point in his soil where the FerroCheck meter would reach its limits of reliable operation using non-ferrous targets instead of showing how reliable it is on ferrous and mixed ferrous targets within range. All of that is good information to learn about ones detector.

Personally, I think the FerroCheck feature works well on shallower targets to give an extra way to quickly identify ferrous/non ferrous. So does the Equinox, Deus 1, ORX, Deus 2 (as demonstrated by Calabash) and many other quality detectors with iron probabililty features whether they include a visual bar or graph or are audio aids only. They all have their limits and are not meant to be capable of reaching out to the edge of detection unless the target is huge.

thanks for reading.
 
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Happy I found this thread

CD and TSNN are part of the reason I bought a nox 800 after a at pro a year ago, I dont regret it, ive found a ton of stuff, but I watched a vid of CB and wanted to comment and found I couldnt, vid had the feel of a used car salesman selling. Now I see why.
When I bought the nox it was due to me not getting a lot of good finds, when i started with the nox i brought the pro with me, differant machines for sure but the pro was able to see everything the nox saw and visa versa. probably due to me listening to subtle differances in tones on the same targets and digging alot. I hunted the resort for weeks this way, I found a few things out, the nox is lighter, the pro is heavier, I run full open on both machines and have found many coins and relics from 1834 large cent to modern clad, 20 mercs, sleigh bells pure silver thimble etc...
But most important is not to buy a machine based on a youtube salesman, you can usually pick them out, they trash the last machine they told you to buy and promise it will "Find coins dig them and make you coffee" Total nonsense.
 
Went to a park today,was only there for 5 minutes to test something out. Saw another hunter,wasn't happy ,moving in on my turf.lol.. but talked to him briefly,he was swinging a Legend,said he'd done a ton of research before buying. His prior machine was a Fisher Edge I think? Said he'd had it for 20 something years,and felt it was time to finally upgrade
 
joeinpenn said:
CD and TSNN are part of the reason I bought a nox 800 after a at pro a year ago, I dont regret it, ive found a ton of stuff, but I watched a vid of CB and wanted to comment and found I couldnt, vid had the feel of a used car salesman selling. Now I see why.
When I bought the nox it was due to me not getting a lot of good finds, when i started with the nox i brought the pro with me, differant machines for sure but the pro was able to see everything the nox saw and visa versa. probably due to me listening to subtle differances in tones on the same targets and digging alot. I hunted the resort for weeks this way, I found a few things out, the nox is lighter, the pro is heavier, I run full open on both machines and have found many coins and relics from 1834 large cent to modern clad, 20 mercs, sleigh bells pure silver thimble etc...
But most important is not to buy a machine based on a youtube salesman, you can usually pick them out, they trash the last machine they told you to buy and promise it will "Find coins dig them and make you coffee" Total nonsense.
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Minelab Equinox is still one fine detector.
Minelab Etrac is still one fine detector.
Deus 1 is still one fine detector.

Funny thing is I still own all the above.
Used couple of them today too.

Wish I was a used car salesman. As high as used cars are right now I could make a fortune.

You have a nice evening.

PS
Btw
All 3 models listed above.
Should go into hall of fame for detectors. All 3!!!
Why?
Because each one is very very good at something. Standouts.
At pro should go in hall of fame too.

Don’t Misunderstand me here.
Athletes are usually placed in hall of fame based on performance that happened years ago.
Meaning the detectors above current day may not Ben the best anymore.

Bye
 
joeinpenn said:
CD and TSNN are part of the reason I bought a nox 800 after a at pro a year ago, I dont regret it, ive found a ton of stuff, but I watched a vid of CB and wanted to comment and found I couldnt, vid had the feel of a used car salesman selling. Now I see why.
When I bought the nox it was due to me not getting a lot of good finds, when i started with the nox i brought the pro with me, differant machines for sure but the pro was able to see everything the nox saw and visa versa. probably due to me listening to subtle differances in tones on the same targets and digging alot. I hunted the resort for weeks this way, I found a few things out, the nox is lighter, the pro is heavier, I run full open on both machines and have found many coins and relics from 1834 large cent to modern clad, 20 mercs, sleigh bells pure silver thimble etc...
But most important is not to buy a machine based on a youtube salesman, you can usually pick them out, they trash the last machine they told you to buy and promise it will "Find coins dig them and make you coffee" Total nonsense.
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:goodpost:
 
GeoW said:
Here's another for those lacking entertainment, needing a chuckle,,.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9hwEfh0JYw&t=193s


I wish ole XPCalabash, SSDD, would lose his little boy's XP cap he's worn for the past few days. Does the company make you wear that silly kid's cap?
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Even better are the med pills in front of his coffee cup filled with Tennessee Whiskey. And the clincher.....the virtual reality headset hanging on the wall.🤣
 
KOB said:
Even better are the med pills in front of his coffee cup filled with Tennessee Whiskey. And the clincher.....the virtual reality headset hanging on the wall.🤣
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Probably why someone points at their bottle collection when they mention how awesome they are with a metal detector?
 
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itsaring! said:
Probably why someone points at their bottle collection when they mention how awesome they are with a metal detector?
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True. Some of those bottles are cool though. But I gotta wonder. Did he drink grandma's old stock ?
 
Just remember high iron sites. The iron/nails not all on top of ground or near surface necessarily and can be in different levels (planes).
Also actual separation abilities need to be taken into account.

See this link post 3.
When Eqx 11” coil is talked about and the 6” coil.
The percentage advantage far less than one might think with the significant coil size differences.
http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,152652,184093#msg-184093And
 
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