mudwhale
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Thank you! I didn't know whether to order them separate when I order the pro package today. Thanks to your review I'm pulling the trigger.
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Thank you! I didn't know whether to order them separate when I order the pro package today. Thanks to your review I'm pulling the trigger.
You are welcome.
Hope it works out for you.
mudwhale
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No Sir, thanks to you for your excellent review despite some skeptics and haters out there. I followed this thread from the beginning. I think you handled all of it from a professional level on being a tester above all else in spite of all the sidebar diatribe. You handled all situations with calm demeanor and resolved to diffuse the situation at hand. You brought out the good and the not so good on this machine along the way. I myself learned a LOT!! In "MY" opinion the good swayed me to get $1000 poorer today. Thank you for your dedicated effort on this website. I may be a new member but, I have been a LONG time detectorist! 30+ yrs...
Ed
Ed
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Hello. Impact coil comes with a removable / replaceable coil cover.
mudwhale
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Thank you! I ordered one for the large coil because it didn't look like it had one in the picture on Kellyco. I ordered the detector pro package yesterday and can't wait to use it.
Ed
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mudwhale
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My detector arrived!
I opened the box and was met with amazement on how well it was packaged and the thought that went into the design of it all. Packaging and 1st impression is everything upon opening a simple box. It made it easy to see everything was there and easy to find. Great packaging design! I am not easily amazed but this amazed me with the care that went into it.
The detector is a marvel of precision design in the way all the parts fit together. When I started to gather all the lower and middle shaft parts together, I had 2 flimsy looking parts in my hand. When you slide one inside the other they become a solid structure. As an engineer, they made a perfect shaft assembly. Because of the precision manufacturing of the shaft components, the cam locks need zero adjustment to work flawlessly. Sidebar.... I am a professional photographer on the side... I own a boatload of really expensive tripods. ALL of them have to have adjusters for friction and clamping at every joint on every leg!! Sorry but why not this triangular leg design across the board. Their triangular shafts are so precisely made they require only a light spring action cam lock. Fantastic design! The overall fit and finish is very nice. I particularly love the grip. I has a great, solid feel with the molded rubber vs the typical foam type grip. I think it will shrug off dirt with a damp towel. This is a very durable feeling detector as a whole.
I have done my first bench tests (Large coil) in DI3 mode and DI99 just for numbers on standard finds like a Silver quarter, modern quarter, silver bracelet, copper penny, zinc penny, brass plumb bob, bronze marker and standard pull tab and mixed junk. This detector really locks on and gives solid steady numbers on real ferrous and non ferrous targets. With junk under the coil, this detector refuses to lock on with the "death grip" so you know its junk under there.
I believe that once I learn the nuances of this detector, I will easily bond with it. From what I am experiencing I don't think it will be very long until my first significant find....
I opened the box and was met with amazement on how well it was packaged and the thought that went into the design of it all. Packaging and 1st impression is everything upon opening a simple box. It made it easy to see everything was there and easy to find. Great packaging design! I am not easily amazed but this amazed me with the care that went into it.
The detector is a marvel of precision design in the way all the parts fit together. When I started to gather all the lower and middle shaft parts together, I had 2 flimsy looking parts in my hand. When you slide one inside the other they become a solid structure. As an engineer, they made a perfect shaft assembly. Because of the precision manufacturing of the shaft components, the cam locks need zero adjustment to work flawlessly. Sidebar.... I am a professional photographer on the side... I own a boatload of really expensive tripods. ALL of them have to have adjusters for friction and clamping at every joint on every leg!! Sorry but why not this triangular leg design across the board. Their triangular shafts are so precisely made they require only a light spring action cam lock. Fantastic design! The overall fit and finish is very nice. I particularly love the grip. I has a great, solid feel with the molded rubber vs the typical foam type grip. I think it will shrug off dirt with a damp towel. This is a very durable feeling detector as a whole.
I have done my first bench tests (Large coil) in DI3 mode and DI99 just for numbers on standard finds like a Silver quarter, modern quarter, silver bracelet, copper penny, zinc penny, brass plumb bob, bronze marker and standard pull tab and mixed junk. This detector really locks on and gives solid steady numbers on real ferrous and non ferrous targets. With junk under the coil, this detector refuses to lock on with the "death grip" so you know its junk under there.
I believe that once I learn the nuances of this detector, I will easily bond with it. From what I am experiencing I don't think it will be very long until my first significant find....
Short Impact hunt in hard hunted site.
Found 2 coppers.
In a site where limited digging should be performed.
Detected using 20 khz and the smallest coil.
Smoking signals on both with TID,,,toggled to 5khz, signal TID reading 61ish,,coil position here extremely critical.
Dead give away for higher conductive coins.
I may be emailing Dilek, and seeing if the Impact can be updated,,so a person can select their normalization freq,,,like for example run at 20khz yet see a TID reading as if 5khz was being used.
Would do wonders for the detector hunting in modern trash.
And would help with having to not toggle to 5khz to check targets,,,especially in sites with limited digging.
Email sent.
Found 2 coppers.
In a site where limited digging should be performed.
Detected using 20 khz and the smallest coil.
Smoking signals on both with TID,,,toggled to 5khz, signal TID reading 61ish,,coil position here extremely critical.
Dead give away for higher conductive coins.
I may be emailing Dilek, and seeing if the Impact can be updated,,so a person can select their normalization freq,,,like for example run at 20khz yet see a TID reading as if 5khz was being used.
Would do wonders for the detector hunting in modern trash.
And would help with having to not toggle to 5khz to check targets,,,especially in sites with limited digging.
Email sent.
mudwhale
Elite Member
Sunday was day 2 for me and the IMPACT. While testing the machine I found coins in the yard here that I never saw before with any of my other machines. I have a lot of learning to do with this machine but so far DI99 and DI3 have worked great. I'm using the large coil and 14mhz until I get used to it.
EDIT: One find was a quarter with 2 nails on top of it and one coin was a dime with a huge square nail 1 inch below it. It saw the coins and ignored the nails. I had my disc on 25.
EDIT: One find was a quarter with 2 nails on top of it and one coin was a dime with a huge square nail 1 inch below it. It saw the coins and ignored the nails. I had my disc on 25.
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Nice accolade Sir - I too have always found TNSS's posts/reviews to be as you state = INVALUABLE
I hope you enjoy your new purchase & HH
mudwhale
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Nice accolade Sir - I too have always found TNSS's posts/reviews to be as you state = INVALUABLE
I hope you enjoy your new purchase & HH
Thank you sir! I bought the Impact upon reading TNSS review of this machine as well as other testers reviews. Tnss gave better technical information than the others and I based my purchase because of the quality and honesty that he portrayed. Right now this machine is "LITERALLY" so many detectors in one that I am overwhelmed with it. I am sticking to the KISS method right now and sticking with the default 14 mkz and the large coil I have been sticking with the DI99 mode as well as the DI3 mode. I have found things that my Etrac and ATP never saw in the back yard. Tonight I experimented with the DEEP mode on 5mhz and heard distinct separation of IRON type thinds in an area I already searched. I think it will take me years to play this instrument. But, TNSS has agreed to help me as much as he can on the side. This is the level of expertise and sharing that means the most. And what means the most is the effort and sharing of experience and knowledge for the benefit of others on this forum he has contributed. This is in my opinion priceless!
Cheers Ed
You are getting accustomed to unit.
Learn how to navigate.
Don't forget about general (d) mode to check targets if uncertain, especially in cleaner ground.
When you first turn on your detector,,take a peek at your settings to make sure you have them where you want them.
Once everything is set up ( different modes) with settings and then saved,,speeds up your starting to hunt.
Any questions at all, anything thing that concerns you, just ask away.
I am here for anyone who needs help or questions answered.
If I can't answer I will admit, but will try to get a right answer.
Learning what iron sounds like, looks like on meter,,,once you nail this down moreso, all downhill from there.
Iron volume,,the way it responds, chimes in can be very telling too on target scenarios.
The pieces of the BIG puzzle will all fall into place.
After your outings, come here and read and try to relate what you saw and heard with what I have written here.
The nuance, how it sounds, tendencies,,,is described here in various posts.
Is all of what I posted here necessarily the absolute total info about this detector as far as using?
Likely not.
But I think enough info here exists to guide a person into being a rather great hunter with the Impact detector.
Use your eyes and ears both with the detector.
You won't hear this said about a lot of detectors by folks.
I feel though the Impact detector is a standout as far as how the meter is interfaced with the action under the coil.
Trends will be noticed with time and experience using.
When you can start identifying what I call heavily challenged nonferrous targets-game on.
It won't be long Ed, you will be giving others here tips to use.
mudwhale
Elite Member
TNSS
On my first day, I learned, heard and saw everything about iron of all kinds. LOL! From really low tones and numbers (10-15) on the size of a BB to high numbers (96- HOLY !!!!) almost coil overload on a few bigger items like a stove top. I think I have nickels dialed on 29-31 with a mediumish tone in DI99 and DI3 modes. I've nailed copper at 77-78 high tone every time now. (Some '50's electrician lost a LOT of ground rod clamps and pennies on the property where my business is located.) Pull tabs (ARHG) have been dug 30-35. I noticed on all the coins I found it locks right on with almost zero drift in sound or numbers. One digit tops. Here's what I jotted down as I went along on the second day on DI99:
Bottle caps 70-72 High tone
Pull tabs 30-31 sounds like farts
Copper penny 78-79 high tone
Zinc penny 67-68 high tone
Clad dime 78-79 high tone
Nickel 29-30 lower mid tone
Quarter 87-89 high tone
Silver bracelet 60-62 lower high tone
Silver plated spoon 58-59 lower high tone
I am baby stepping right now and would like to explore the other modes. Do you think a controlled buried test bed would help?
Ed
On my first day, I learned, heard and saw everything about iron of all kinds. LOL! From really low tones and numbers (10-15) on the size of a BB to high numbers (96- HOLY !!!!) almost coil overload on a few bigger items like a stove top. I think I have nickels dialed on 29-31 with a mediumish tone in DI99 and DI3 modes. I've nailed copper at 77-78 high tone every time now. (Some '50's electrician lost a LOT of ground rod clamps and pennies on the property where my business is located.) Pull tabs (ARHG) have been dug 30-35. I noticed on all the coins I found it locks right on with almost zero drift in sound or numbers. One digit tops. Here's what I jotted down as I went along on the second day on DI99:
Bottle caps 70-72 High tone
Pull tabs 30-31 sounds like farts
Copper penny 78-79 high tone
Zinc penny 67-68 high tone
Clad dime 78-79 high tone
Nickel 29-30 lower mid tone
Quarter 87-89 high tone
Silver bracelet 60-62 lower high tone
Silver plated spoon 58-59 lower high tone
I am baby stepping right now and would like to explore the other modes. Do you think a controlled buried test bed would help?
Ed
I would stay with DI3, DI4, and DI99 as far as actual detecting(locating targets).
If you would like to toggle to gen(d) mode occassionally to check a target, you can.
Test garden can always help.
Freshly buried obviously won't necessary lit paint true pic of actually what you might see in the wild.
Airtest as well can help with target ID,,just remember the ground effect (minerals) are removed, and your results here will be skewed,,,especially as far as what deeper targets look and sound like using Impact.
A good suggestion,,take Impact to one of the nastiest sites you know of.
If anything just to sweep, and notice how the detector behaves,,iron volume,,iron, etc.
You don't even have to dig a single thing in a site like this,,yet some valuable training can be had.
Or a couple targets dug,,just for gee whiz.
Carpets of nails sites,,with smallest coil attached,,,this is where some learning will definitely be gotten.
On each and every target detected,,,users of Impact should do a full 360 degrees walk around suspect target,,,watch meter,and note tone behavior and coil position, coil height, sweep speed,,angle of attack for best detection.
If suspect target is dug,,a pinpointer I feel will speed up actual learning with this device.
Why?
Because the pinpointer will many times expose the maskers (iron and nails) as you recover a target.
After time and experience with Impact,,,you will have a pretty good idea, of what your likely to see upon target retrieval,,based on how Impact behaves with each corresponding coil used.
Hunting virgin detected sites using Impact,,IMO a user will incur a longer learning curve period.
For simplicity sake.
New users of Impact, these post in this thread should be IMO read and studied as you are getting accustomed to your units.
Even rereading these after hunts to try and relate is recommended.
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172**** highly recommended
Folks can print this here and use as reference and cross off as they read after they say use their units,,maybe this will help folks.
New users of Impact, these post in this thread should be IMO read and studied as you are getting accustomed to your units.
Even rereading these after hunts to try and relate is recommended.
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172**** highly recommended
Folks can print this here and use as reference and cross off as they read after they say use their units,,maybe this will help folks.
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mudwhale
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TNSS
I read your entire test of the Impact twice! Good read and thanks for listing the posts. I never wrote down the numbers of the posts that I deemed important...DUH! 172 is the one I was trying to find, THANKS! I have been sticking to DI3 and DI99 to get used to the machine. I set up DI3 according to a guy on YouTube called "Dirtfishing" (It's actually described in the manual), setting the tones and tone breaks geared towards coins. It works great! So far all the items that I gave numbers on in my previous post were virgin finds in the ground. I did air tests right after I got the unit outside just to see roughly where the numbers and sounds would lay. Tonight I stuck the small coil on and I am going to go back to the iron infested site from hell on my first hunt. I did find lead, copper flashing strips that rang clear as a bell for what they were. I dug some medium higher iron hits to see what they were and found an iron 3 tine fork handle.
Question 1. You keep mentioning Gen(D) to verify targets. I have not used this mode yet. How does this work?
Question 2. The default factory gain is 70. I have bumped it all the way up in my area with zero EMI problems in DI3 or DI99 modes and noticed greater response. Your thoughts on gain adjustment would be a great help.
TNSS, I love this machine!
Ed
I read your entire test of the Impact twice! Good read and thanks for listing the posts. I never wrote down the numbers of the posts that I deemed important...DUH! 172 is the one I was trying to find, THANKS! I have been sticking to DI3 and DI99 to get used to the machine. I set up DI3 according to a guy on YouTube called "Dirtfishing" (It's actually described in the manual), setting the tones and tone breaks geared towards coins. It works great! So far all the items that I gave numbers on in my previous post were virgin finds in the ground. I did air tests right after I got the unit outside just to see roughly where the numbers and sounds would lay. Tonight I stuck the small coil on and I am going to go back to the iron infested site from hell on my first hunt. I did find lead, copper flashing strips that rang clear as a bell for what they were. I dug some medium higher iron hits to see what they were and found an iron 3 tine fork handle.
Question 1. You keep mentioning Gen(D) to verify targets. I have not used this mode yet. How does this work?
Question 2. The default factory gain is 70. I have bumped it all the way up in my area with zero EMI problems in DI3 or DI99 modes and noticed greater response. Your thoughts on gain adjustment would be a great help.
TNSS, I love this machine!
Ed
Alright gain adjustment.
You will here 2 thoughts here on this.
First in a carpet of nails scenario,,some folks may suggest lower gain around say 60 or so.
I like to run ,y gain as high as I can get.
Using 3 tone with smallest coil,,,I don't think you will find many sites where max gain can't be run-99 setting.
Emi to be had will be frequency specific.
And using the stock coil,,more emi has tendency to be heard vs smaller coil.
Running deep mode,,running 2 tone,,running 4 tone,,,these modes will be more emi prone with higher(est) gain.
Once you get to level 95 gain using the above mentioned modes,,a user will have to play touchy feely as far as emi goes.
Milder soil,,user will notice di2, di4, deep modes will punch a little deeper.p,,using higher(est) gain settings.
One thing here to note,,,a lot of deeper targets can be heard tonally using impact for coil size,,yet TID info may be nonexistent to erroneous.
While sweeping targets that yield the above,,,raising gain can in fact allow Impact to ID better or more accurately.
General D mode.
User needs to experiement using some Burris targets at both mid depths and deeper.
Nails as well,,both big and small.
Pay attention to the tone pitch and overall signature as coil is swept,,and as you pivot around target sweeping.
Milder ground,,General D likely not as useful.
Ground more mineralized it can help locate deeper targets(nonferrous).
General D mode does have a tone break setting.
Using this tone break smartly,,a person can even turn lower conductive junk targets to tone presentations where iron is usually heard.
Switching modes while checking targets with Impact is helpful.
Even if a person due to emi tends to run a mode with less gain,,,very possible to temporarily check a target using another mode ( one of the deeper modes especially) and be able to better make a dig or no dig decision.
Even having a mode set up with no iron vol may help a person out.
Deep mode with higher gain can be used also to help with more accurate id of deeper nonferrous target,,after being located with a shallower mode.
Remember deep mode doesn't allow for as good a separation.
But on targets already located,,this disadvantage here with deep mode many times may not come into play.
Freq shift,,,use this at your disposal,,,don't be timid with using. It will help big time some times. And yes a person can change operating frequency band altogether.
Just remember 5khz,,not your best friend in trashy places and areas with loads of nails and iron. And IMO even in areas where say Minelab Etrac and CTX have been used a great deal. This applies to using stock coil on Impact.
Users of other good detectors previously in sites.
If users will think about their sites,,,and realize the areas of detection where Impact definitely gives strong advantages,,,these areas will be where an Impact user will find more passed over targets.
Virgin detected sites,,obviously this not the case.
Watch sweep speed in areas loaded with nails and iron.
This goes for all sized coils used on Impact,,,even the smallest coil.
New users of Impact will hear and see things on the meter,,they may be thinking the wrong thing based on previously detectors they have run.
With more time and experience,,,and reading this thread,,,it will all come together.
New users of Impact,,I strongly consider you hunt with other folks using other models of detectors.
Compare signals.
Even beleive it or not,,,take your older owned detector out and locate some targets, Mark and then put your newer Impact over these targets.
Take advantage of every way possible to learn the Impact.
Keep track of your in use time,,to include testing.
When you think the big light bulb has turned on as far as your using Impact,,note your hours used.
And share here with folks.
This is important in my book.
I truly think some folks have already bought and used Impact and since sold or are thinking about.
They in fact don't have a clue as to just how good the detector really is (all around package) for hunting various sites.
Wonder how I know the above??
I'll let folks guess.
Remember I am I think a good Deus runner ( not meant to be bragging here) and I thought no problem fire up Impact run a few hours,,,thought Inwould approach at least medium mastery level quickly.
Wrong.
And remember I feel I had an actual leg up here with Xp Deus experience,,Makro Racers 1 and 2, Nokta relic and Core units.
These units by previously using did help me cut my learning curve,,but I still needed the in field time to get a real good handle on the detector overall for the sites I hunt mainly.
mudwhale
Elite Member
TNSS
I went out for on half hour over the exact strip in the back yard here. This is where I found the coins on Sunday that I never saw with my ATP or my Etrac. I have pounded and milked this site with those machines and produced coins on Sunday. After that I called it a DEAD site. I did exactly as you said. I put the small coil on and did the exact same strip again. Here is what I found. In DI99 mode I heard a really good medium high tone and the numbers were 72-74. I did like you suggested and circled 90 degrees. The signal went from 74-28-74 consistently on the sweeps. 90 degrees again and a more solid 73-74 with a slight grumble of a low tone. 90 degrees again and a more consistent 71-73. I dug it at 5" deep and there was a huge nail. I cleared it and still dead center was the 71-73 signal with a grumble to the right of it. I thought this was really good separation and consistent. I dug it and found another huge nail right next to my first Wheat in the yard! (See Picture) Next only 2 feet further I got a solid 87 on the numbers and a really good tone with a distinct low blip as I scanned slowly. It was 87-20-87 consistent. I got lazy and just scanned at 180 degrees and got the exact same results. I dug it and found a huge bent nail about 1 inch dead center of a nice brass thingamabob. (See Picture) I dont' think it will be long until I understand this wonderful machine. I do know one thing, it will continue to amaze me...
Ed
I went out for on half hour over the exact strip in the back yard here. This is where I found the coins on Sunday that I never saw with my ATP or my Etrac. I have pounded and milked this site with those machines and produced coins on Sunday. After that I called it a DEAD site. I did exactly as you said. I put the small coil on and did the exact same strip again. Here is what I found. In DI99 mode I heard a really good medium high tone and the numbers were 72-74. I did like you suggested and circled 90 degrees. The signal went from 74-28-74 consistently on the sweeps. 90 degrees again and a more solid 73-74 with a slight grumble of a low tone. 90 degrees again and a more consistent 71-73. I dug it at 5" deep and there was a huge nail. I cleared it and still dead center was the 71-73 signal with a grumble to the right of it. I thought this was really good separation and consistent. I dug it and found another huge nail right next to my first Wheat in the yard! (See Picture) Next only 2 feet further I got a solid 87 on the numbers and a really good tone with a distinct low blip as I scanned slowly. It was 87-20-87 consistent. I got lazy and just scanned at 180 degrees and got the exact same results. I dug it and found a huge bent nail about 1 inch dead center of a nice brass thingamabob. (See Picture) I dont' think it will be long until I understand this wonderful machine. I do know one thing, it will continue to amaze me...
Ed
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Nice report.
Thanks for sharing Ed.
This is just the beginning of what is to be uncovered using Impact.
Does take patience yet can pay off.
Thanks for sharing Ed.
This is just the beginning of what is to be uncovered using Impact.
Does take patience yet can pay off.
Donsell
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The Impact looks like it's a great machine. I've love to get a side by side comparison with the Rutus Alter. Both look great. But I don't know if they'd compliment each other or if having one would make the other redundant.
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