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Fisher Impulse AQ detector update
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I would like to know how they compare performance wise.
On the Treasure coast it's still mostly about beach conditions.
On the Treasure coast it's still mostly about beach conditions.
I understand, Honestly I doubt if the "AQ" can compare, but I do have a friend that has a GPZ...I'll let you know when I get my hands on a "AQ". May take me a month to get lined up with Keith but it would be a great compare.
dewcon
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Let me see.... $8000 or $2500.......ummm.
BUT Robo i see why youd like to have a much deeper machine if you found THE SPOT. Most people wont put out the case for a MDT over the Nox. They dont feel a few more inches is worth the money....... and now days same with the CTX and Xcal. But on heavy gold 2" can be the difference. BUT...... it also comes down to sensitivity and all that TINY TINY stuff. In your case you want a DEEP detector but not really a gold detector i think. Times going just how much depth we get.... you know everyones going to test that and do U-tube..... then of course you will have to pick out if you believe them or not.
Trash and treasure....... time and effort.....
BUT Robo i see why youd like to have a much deeper machine if you found THE SPOT. Most people wont put out the case for a MDT over the Nox. They dont feel a few more inches is worth the money....... and now days same with the CTX and Xcal. But on heavy gold 2" can be the difference. BUT...... it also comes down to sensitivity and all that TINY TINY stuff. In your case you want a DEEP detector but not really a gold detector i think. Times going just how much depth we get.... you know everyones going to test that and do U-tube..... then of course you will have to pick out if you believe them or not. Trash and treasure....... time and effort.....
You should wait until a local picks one up... watching the video's of this new detector have not impressed me... the guy testing it couldn't find the target to save his life and was digging craters that were unnecessary in my opinion.
The judgement of those beach experts who get out early with the AQ will quickly determine whether enthusiasm and expectation explodes or dwindles. I have taken lots of hits on other forums for having had my mitts on an AQ and not having posted test results, videos, etc.
Whatever I would have posted would quickly and correctly be questioned on the grounds that I don’t have years of experience beach detecting many hours per month/week and trays of gold which I have found at the beach.
It is very likely that none of this testing and reporting will happen till the AQ hits the market. I know nothing about what plans Fisher has for the release - for example, whether “influencers” will get “marketing test” units and be allowed to report on them after market release.
Whatever I would have posted would quickly and correctly be questioned on the grounds that I don’t have years of experience beach detecting many hours per month/week and trays of gold which I have found at the beach.
It is very likely that none of this testing and reporting will happen till the AQ hits the market. I know nothing about what plans Fisher has for the release - for example, whether “influencers” will get “marketing test” units and be allowed to report on them after market release.
Fellow Pirates......
I watch the French forums very close, NO one there finds much gold, very strange. They are either sand bagging or not very good hunters? Seems plenty do hunt the beach's...And they do use the same detectors we do, CTX, CZ21, Lots of NOX's, not many Excalibur's.....some even the older Eric Foster machines..........There is a reason LE JAG is finding it and others are not......It's either him or the machine that is making this happen. You decide..
Can you tell I've been stuck at home....tides have been at flood stage the last week....Hopefully changing this weekend...
I watch the French forums very close, NO one there finds much gold, very strange. They are either sand bagging or not very good hunters? Seems plenty do hunt the beach's...And they do use the same detectors we do, CTX, CZ21, Lots of NOX's, not many Excalibur's.....some even the older Eric Foster machines..........There is a reason LE JAG is finding it and others are not......It's either him or the machine that is making this happen. You decide..
Can you tell I've been stuck at home....tides have been at flood stage the last week....Hopefully changing this weekend...
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Is my post addressed to you Rick? No it is not... I am a beach hunter who started with pulse machines and its my opinion based on the video's some are posting this new detector has not impressed me yet...
What I saw in the videos is someone who looks lost to me digging.. I will teach him how to dig with a pulse
I read a headline digging through black sand... that was not black sand our beaches have the same make up as that particular beach did... it was sand mixed with silt...
If people are going to post how great its going to be then they should be able to take some criticism as well... the saying goes if you can't take the heat.. get out of the kitchen...
I'm not willing to plunk down $2500 or more for something that not proven yet...
I know what the DF can do, the TDI can do...
My opinions won't change until beach hunters get there hands on it and test it...
Fellow Pirates......
I watch the French forums very close, NO one there finds much gold, very strange. They are either sand bagging or not very good hunters? Seems plenty do hunt the beach's...And they do use the same detectors we do, CTX, CZ21, Lots of NOX's, not many Excalibur's.....some even the older Eric Foster machines..........There is a reason LE JAG is finding it and few others are not......It's either him or the machine that is making this happen. You decide..
Can you tell I've been stuck at home....tides have been at flood stage the last week....Hopefully changing this weekend...
Joe.. from what I have seen on the videos its no deeper than what is available today... in one video where posted that picture of all those rings and other targets came from a beach off limits to beach hunters and they needed a permit to hunt it.. of course there will be a lot of gold found...
I didn’t suppose that you had addressed your post to me, my comments were to the forum in general.
As far as the Reunion island finds (I think this is the post you are referring to), apparently a permit is needed to metal detect there - there is no information whether others had previously received such permits.
The really telling information is that they tested at least one other detector there as well and reported the following (text from the original post).
“ Where the EXCALIBUR is not able to detect a 15grs gold ring put above the volcanic sand ...”
That is to say - the Excal gave no signal on a 15 gram ring on the surface of the sand.
Now, how would a TDI, BHPI, DFPI, GPZ, GPX, etc have done? We will have to wait till users compare these machines one against another at their sites - low mineral coral sand, west coast black sand, you name it.
As far as the Reunion island finds (I think this is the post you are referring to), apparently a permit is needed to metal detect there - there is no information whether others had previously received such permits.
The really telling information is that they tested at least one other detector there as well and reported the following (text from the original post).
“ Where the EXCALIBUR is not able to detect a 15grs gold ring put above the volcanic sand ...”
That is to say - the Excal gave no signal on a 15 gram ring on the surface of the sand.
Now, how would a TDI, BHPI, DFPI, GPZ, GPX, etc have done? We will have to wait till users compare these machines one against another at their sites - low mineral coral sand, west coast black sand, you name it.
Craig you are sharp..
....I knew I should not have put that picture in there...but it does show how well it does in black sand.There is a reason for all of this....a few more to cover my mistake of putting the one in above..
The bottom line is, we won't know until we get are hands on the "AQ", I'm willing to take that chance...Thank you for the concern buddy.
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dewcon
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Well im hoping no one believes me if it works and runs out an buys one. Besides Craig you know it will take 6 mos to sift thru the BS Utubes by claiming they dug a whole to China...... and the gold ring was setting on a bed of nails down there. I dare say this machine will have more comparisons done on it than any machine we have seen before. Like Joe.... if it meets my needs and i aint digging a TON of trash im good. Just one of those machine a few hunters will buy...... if it works look out you guys with the VLFs. You wont be able to hunt near us, we will likely have a bigger coil for more coverage, grab up the recent drop........ and the smaller and deeper gold. Now is that not a perfect dream?
Besides Craig you know it will take 6 mos to sift thru the BS Utubes by claiming they dug a whole to China...... and the gold ring was setting on a bed of nails down there. I dare say this machine will have more comparisons done on it than any machine we have seen before. Like Joe.... if it meets my needs and i aint digging a TON of trash im good. Just one of those machine a few hunters will buy...... if it works look out you guys with the VLFs. You wont be able to hunt near us, we will likely have a bigger coil for more coverage, grab up the recent drop........ and the smaller and deeper gold. Now is that not a perfect dream?
Craig you are sharp..
There is a reason for all of this....a few more to cover my mistake of putting the one in above..
The bottom line is, we won't know until we get are hands on the "AQ", I'm willing to take that chance...Thank you for the concern buddy.
I know everything being said about the AQ and where its being said on the forums.. just because I am not posting on them doesn't mean I am not paying attention...
Joe... I could purchase a hundred of these detectors if I wanted to... Joe... I'm not going to listen to anyone but a good beach hunter the rest are talking heads to push a product and nothing more... remind you of findmall? the good old days...
We don't hunt in California Joe... We don't have volcanic sand so its irrelevant .. sure my magnet in my scoop has a 5 o'clock shadow but who cares my current detectors perform...
Your Excal is hitting the clay... if you are hitting the clay the only way a pulse is going to find anything is if your coil didn't go over it...
I'm a realist Joe... I don't go ooh and ahh and my tongue isn't hanging out waiting for this detector to make an appearance... on a side note my wife hates that I am a realist and that makes me smile..
Well im hoping no one believes me if it works and runs out an buys one.
Dew... I would love to try one of these AQ's who knows maybe I will... I just want a beach guy hunting... not a dealer talking about it or one of the developers.... enough of the talk and get it out on the market... its really that simple..
The windy, voiceless video trying to do a head to head with a VLF that video was worthless for two reasons one a VLF is not going to match any pulse... second they needed a guy who knew how to dig a target... it was painful to watch that nonsense.. there are other things but I think I will stop there
Well im hoping no one believes me if it works and runs out an buys one.
Dew, I'll be very surprised if the Fisher finds more gold then my excalibur. I'll hope it will be out by summer, then all of this will unfold and the truth will be known. I do hope it is a limited distribution....I may just not post to much on it if it is the gold clean up machine..
Joe... I'm not going to listen to anyone but a good beach hunter the rest are talking heads to push a product and nothing more... remind you of findmall? the good old days...
I remember those days over on Findmall..
These will be the good old days some day.... my next trip up, there will be lots of laughs for sure.
Useful post in part...
“We don't hunt in California Joe... We don't have volcanic sand so its irrelevant .. sure my magnet in my scoop has a 5 o'clock shadow but who cares my current detectors perform...
Your Excal is hitting the clay... if you are hitting the clay the only way a pulse is going to find anything is if your coil didn't go over it... “
This is likely to be the limiting factor in AQ sales. How many beach hunters will be able to justify north of $2k for depth, quiet, and a useful iron ID for THEIR conditions. If your sand is low mineral and has a hard bottom a foot down or so, can the AQ actually yield jewelry finds which your current machines can’t.
I don’t know the answer - heck - right now nobody does. Fisher is staking big $$$ the the answer is at least maybe - meanwhile in tough mineral conditions - they are betting that treasures await early users.
We’ll see.
“We don't hunt in California Joe... We don't have volcanic sand so its irrelevant .. sure my magnet in my scoop has a 5 o'clock shadow but who cares my current detectors perform...
Your Excal is hitting the clay... if you are hitting the clay the only way a pulse is going to find anything is if your coil didn't go over it... “
This is likely to be the limiting factor in AQ sales. How many beach hunters will be able to justify north of $2k for depth, quiet, and a useful iron ID for THEIR conditions. If your sand is low mineral and has a hard bottom a foot down or so, can the AQ actually yield jewelry finds which your current machines can’t.
I don’t know the answer - heck - right now nobody does. Fisher is staking big $$$ the the answer is at least maybe - meanwhile in tough mineral conditions - they are betting that treasures await early users.
We’ll see.
I have 1 beach that I hunt that on the sand flats its worthless to use anything but a pulse most targets one wishes to dig are way beyond the range of my OBN blue... I don't even bother taking out on the flats.. I have found lots of deep old gold there but each tiime was with a pulse... there is no clay to hit there at least I haven't found it even with a pulse.. its very firm black as night compressed mud.. When OBN was up here I didn't even bother taking him there...
i can't believe this will be a low production detector unless they raise their prices to pay for all the research and development that has gone into it.. a few people are not going to pay that down...
Maybe it will be the second coming of the Surf Devil
Sorry Joe, Dew.. Please consider that the AQ is just the tip of the spear.
Next comes the moneymaker - The nugget machine - I expect it will be a huge seller in the places where folks have one detector and 10 cousins with shovels and picks.
Minelab sells thousands of GPZ’s in Africa. The goal is to knock off a good part of that with a much cheaper machine with a solid value proposition.
I expect even the North America demand for that will well exceed the demand for the AQ.
And then perhaps a specialized relic machine for Culpepper and similar US sites - not to mention iron and clinker infested European fields.
Oh yes - that’s all just analogue. Digital analysis designs are well underway’
Having said all that - it’s late here and happily I recent purchased one of the decommissioned Titan missile silos here in AZ and I will retire soon and calmly await incoming Scuds! With the silo and all, it will be much less stressful than my time in Riyadh during the Gulf War. (NOTE - Snopes and a recent check of property records in AZ rate the previous statement as “doubtful”)
Of course every cloud (and we only got Scudded on nights when the clouds in Iraq hid the mobile launcher from our air assets) has a silver lining - and after every attack my pals and I ditched work and went “Scud Bit” hunting on the desert. Recently sold my bits to a neighbor who just happened to have designed all the RF antennas on the Patriot missle for Raytheon (this bit is the honest fact).
Next comes the moneymaker - The nugget machine - I expect it will be a huge seller in the places where folks have one detector and 10 cousins with shovels and picks.
Minelab sells thousands of GPZ’s in Africa. The goal is to knock off a good part of that with a much cheaper machine with a solid value proposition.
I expect even the North America demand for that will well exceed the demand for the AQ.
And then perhaps a specialized relic machine for Culpepper and similar US sites - not to mention iron and clinker infested European fields.
Oh yes - that’s all just analogue. Digital analysis designs are well underway’
Having said all that - it’s late here and happily I recent purchased one of the decommissioned Titan missile silos here in AZ and I will retire soon and calmly await incoming Scuds! With the silo and all, it will be much less stressful than my time in Riyadh during the Gulf War. (NOTE - Snopes and a recent check of property records in AZ rate the previous statement as “doubtful”)
Of course every cloud (and we only got Scudded on nights when the clouds in Iraq hid the mobile launcher from our air assets) has a silver lining - and after every attack my pals and I ditched work and went “Scud Bit” hunting on the desert. Recently sold my bits to a neighbor who just happened to have designed all the RF antennas on the Patriot missle for Raytheon (this bit is the honest fact).
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