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The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

ucnegold? said:
One thing that sticks out at me is the obvious presence of ground water in the bottom of the excavated hole as well as running water from the outflow pipe. You may recall Plaintiff's were miffed that the investigators spoke of dealing with ground water conditions on the morning of the Day 2 dig and when finally allowed to approach the scene Plaintiffs claim there were no such issues. I always wanted to see more of the video released to the public since I believe at least five or six of those video clips were described as showing water or poor ground conditions which refute Plaintiffs claims.

More important in these video snippets is the body language being demonstrated by the Plaintiff when interviewed. It has long been known that some people will close their eyes when being untruthful when speaking. Could this be the case with Plaintiff? It is remarkable the number of times the Plaintiff closes his eyes when providing answers or explanations. IMO, I don't believe he is searching his mind for answers or something of that sort. He knows the story well. He's told the same story over and over. His advantage has been telling the story in mostly online forums where his body language cannot be examined. Iv noticed similarities in some other videos as well as eye-rolling by one when the other is speaking.
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Excellent observation! You can clearly see water in the hole at 1:41 and water flowing out of the pipe at 3:13, this means the site is completely saturated with water, it wouldn't have dried out by the morning of day 2 of the dig with fresh snow overnight. There's also a photo in the morning of the 2nd day of water in the hole.

I recall plaintiff claiming the FBI lied to him the 2nd morning when the FBI said there was water in the hole, this corroborates the FBI's claim with actual video. It may have well dried out by the time Plaintiff went up there on the 2nd day around 2pm, but that doesn't mean it wasn't filled early in the morning with water (as site photo's confirm) as the overnight snow melted. Doesn't he examine any of this evidence himself before he makes these unfounded claims?!
 
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Ron, Tom, SS, anyone else see anything that sticks out to them? I ask because I often miss things others pick up on!
 
GoDeep said:
Doesn't he examine any of this evidence himself before he makes these unfounded claims?!
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In fairness to the Plaintiff, those statements inferring "we didn't see any water", "there were no pumps" "there was no water anywhere" were proclaimed long before they could ever know the investigative records would be released to the public. How could they ever know this would come back to bite them?

It's my opinion that Plaintiff's never expected a full, public release of this information.

Further complicating matters for the Plaintiff were those benign, video clips from the OPA (which incidentally, were not broadcast and may never had surfaced since the dig was negative for gold or any evidence corroborating such). Plaintiff was provided 44:23 minutes of these video clips by court order. Interestingly, the Plaintiff has been far less forthcoming with these with only a few snippets shared in the AP news stories. What is the Plaintiff hiding from the public? Is there something in the clips Plaintiff would rather not have the public know about?

In the OPA's list of these video clips we learn the following descriptions among them:

01:42- FBI ERT Search Leaders warning that the dig scene is messy, with running water/mud; describe the tools they will be using such as metal detectors, rakes, and shovels.

00:31- ERT pushing an ATV that is stuck in the snow.

01:20- ERT personnel standing at the dig site discussing where the dig will take place and warning about the water that will show up as they dig deeper.

00:14- Shows a flow of water from a pipe and ERT personnel.

00:15- Muffled discussion, zoomed in view of ground water running out and over soil and rocks.

It begs the question: Are any of the above described conditions conducive to having a convoy of ATV's racing up and down the wet and muddy embankment all throughout the night and early morning hours, carrying 7 to 9 Tons of secreted gold payload?
 
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I found this interesting. Plaintiff admits they sent out dirt samples from their bore holes to be tested. Which by default, means those samples all came back negative for gold and silver. There is no plausible scenario where, if they had come back positive for gold, he wouldn't have told the DCNR and FBI and his followers.

As the FBI record shows, he admitted they never found any gold and even the drill bit with the alleged gold on it was only "gold colored" and "too small to test". Which is actually a false statement, it is never "too small to test", if you could see the gold as Plaintiff claimed, it would have been plenty big enough to test and a good test will even detect gold on a microscopic level. By default, plaintiff had to know that wasn't gold on the bit, hence why he never had it tested and the cover story of "it was too small to test" emerged.

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GoDeep said:
Ron, Tom, SS, anyone else see anything that sticks out to them? I ask because I often miss things others pick up on!
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How about this observation : Everything plaintiff was saying WOULD IN FACT BE TRUE if "gold were stolen" . Eg.: During the night, blah blah. But notice that everything the plaintiff was saying could/would ALSO BE TRUE if (drum roll) : There was never any gold. :roll:

In other words, this is the logical fallacy of "begging the question" on-his-part. Ie.: Assuming what one is trying to prove is true, as evidence of their proof for it.

The same evidences that he cites, could equally (and more plausibly) be proof of NO gold, as it was for STOLEN gold. So Dennis STARTS with his "stolen gold " premise (as if that were just some sort of default given "premise"), and works his way backwards.
 
GoDeep said:
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As the FBI record shows, he admitted they never found any gold and even the drill bit with the alleged gold on it was only "gold colored" and "too small to test" ...
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This is classic. Oh so classic. And what does it remind you of ? The "drill bit" of the O.I. legend. The classic "tip of the iceberg" tactic salacious moment. WHO CAN ARGUE WITH THIS ? :roll:
 
Diamondaves's post on TNet...

www.treasurenet.com

THE TRUTH ABOUT SECRET SOCIETIES TREASURE CACHES

Hi Sir. Anything along Hwy 80 (Dixie Overland Highway) around West Monroe, Louisiana and west of there? I ask because I have found one carving site with the name "Murrell". It's one of the oldest carvings @ this site and is barely visible still. There is also a big empty hole by it. I found...
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www.treasurenet.com

THE TRUTH ABOUT SECRET SOCIETIES TREASURE CACHES

Hi Sir. Anything along Hwy 80 (Dixie Overland Highway) around West Monroe, Louisiana and west of there? I ask because I have found one carving site with the name "Murrell". It's one of the oldest carvings @ this site and is barely visible still. There is also a big empty hole by it. I found...
www.treasurenet.com www.treasurenet.com
 
Ron, here is a lifted quote from your link :

".... within a short distance of several treasure depositories in AR, OK and AZ....."

Notice that there is a "treasure depository" in AZ. Who woulda thunk it ?? I mean, heck, I JUST got back from Arizona @ a few months ago, and gleefully posted my humble seated half dime, and a trade token , on show & tell here. But shucks, why was I going for a lone half dime & token, when .... shucks, I could have been angling for a "treasure depository " ?? :?:

So I'll tell ya what : Since the center of AZ is only a 12 to 13-ish hr. drive from you and me, then : I'll pick you up at 4pm today. Have your batteries charged. Let's go find one of the "treasure depositories" in AZ. Ok ? We'll split it 50/50. Agreed ?
 
SeabeeRon said:
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Notice something else in that reply in Ron's link? The words "suspected cache" were used by Rennes in describing the Dent's Run ordeal, meaning at least an acknowledgement that nothing was found and possibly even dissent between this seasoned KGC treasure hunter and his proclaimed "novice treasure hunter"/co-author, as to whether there was any KGC cache at all in Dent's Run.
 
ucnegold? said:
Notice something else in that reply in Ron's link? The words "suspected cache" were used by.....
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Good observation. Even the ghost-story-treasure hunters, to their credit, might have wiggle room in their initial musings. With fair words like "might be" or "suspected", etc.... (when claiming to know where a treasure should be). But lo & behold, if it's NOT there (as in the case of D.R.), then they all of the sudden seem to forget their initial wiggle room wording, and then presto: It was MOST CERTAINLY there, and MOST CERTAINLY stolen.

Very strange.
 
Say what??!! You say just one site is going to take "years to dig up", yet somehow, you allegedly believe that a small contingent of FBI agents, in the middle of the night, in muddy, snowing conditions, armed only with a small excavator (and no apparent support tools, like overhead lighting, portable jack hammers, ladders, dirt sifting equipment, trench box to keep the hole from caving in etc etc) removed 9-11 tons of gold and silver incased in a collapsed cave in a single night?!

Strong circumstantial evidence in of itself even Plaintiff doesn't believe they found gold (plus the other evidence we have and the evidence I just uncovered). Only thing plaintiff is selling is a fantasy....

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GoDeep said:
Say what??!! You say just one site is going to take "years to dig up", yet somehow, you allegedly believe that .....
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Of course. It makes perfect sense. The D.R. treasure was NOT one that will/would take "years to dig up". Yet the other treasure he's chasing will. Each treasure is different Go-deep. Don't you know that ? And it just so happens that D.R. was accomplished in a single night, under FK's nose. Contrast to other treasures, which "take years to dig up". No contradiction whatsoever. Eh ? :?:
 
go-deep, but notice that Dennis has his bases covered : He didn't he WOULD reveal @ the first week of July. He specifically said "MAY" (not "will") be able.
 
SeabeeRon said:
If nothing else he is good at what he does..stringing people along!
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Yup. It's an age old trick that Television/Hollywood employs all the time. TV docudramas, science fiction, soap operas, etc..., where each episode ends with a cliff-hanger. Where you HAVE to "tune in to the next episode" to see what happens next.

And hey, it worked , didn't it ? :wow: Because as kids, we were GLUED TO THE TV SET the following week, to find out what happened ! :laughing:
 
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