It may not have been the stolen mint hoard, but it sure heck is not part of the KGC fantasy!
The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold
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Tom_in_CA
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Well shucks, anyone can speculate anything he wants. To make an assertion is not "evidence". Only evidence is evidence.
Heck, I can say aliens or the Illuminati put it there. Why can't it simply be Joe Blow business man who buried his wealth (whether ill-gotten or not) and .... simply croaked before being able to return ? Why does there necessarily have to always be a salacious mystery-conspiracy involved ?
I've found several purposefully buried caches (for the "next of kin" on commissioned posse hunts), and .... in each case, there was no shadowy govt. or secret-society stuff involved. So why this notion that a cache can't have normal origins ?
My point precisely! A certain and frequent pattern is being revealed of the Plaintiff's associate that challenges the very merit for what the DR investigation was largely based upon. The KGC moniker is being asserted first and investigated after the fact if at all.
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Thank you. I love having all of this information listed like this. Folks who have never heard of this case are blown away when they read all of this. Like, really read ALL OF IT. Not just dimiss it as silly or some illegitimate claim. Guys found gold , proved it was there, FBI proved it was there and removed it. Just pay the guys a finders fee !
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Good point. When an assertion is tossed out (Eg.: "stolen" or "KGC buried conspiracy treasures around the USA"), then all the claimant has to do is "sit back and watch the other side fidgit and fumble for refutation". But this is bass-ackwards. When a claim like that is made, it's not up to the defendant to DIS prove it. It's up the claimant to PROVE it.
Unfortunately, in our tabloid mentality culture, the mere assertion (when the defendant doesn't render a defense), then it can *seem* as if foul play and stories are true. Ie.: it can SEEM as if the FBI has to prove there wasn't stolen gold. But says who ?
And no, the level of "evidence" put forth by Dennis & company is not "evidence". It's amounting to nothing more than "strange lights" or "odd noises" and "squinty looks" etc..... This is nothing more than hysteria that with, .... enough imagination, anyone can find evidence of anything, by simply standing on one foot and squinting real hard, with all sorts of correlation/causation logical errors in thinking. Ie.: It need not necessarily follow. Ie.: You can find mundane explanations for benign things, or you can find "fabulous conspiracies" in benign things.
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Crossmod, how do you figure that those who have chimed in here "have never heard of this case" ? On the contrary, persons here (especially go-deep) have studied it VERY deeply (yes, "ALL OF IT" ). So when they/we dismiss it as "silly or illegitimate" , it's based on hard evidence.
Go back through this thread and read from the beginning. Did you not do that ? How do you figure there's any "treasure" ?
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Was this some type of sarcasm I assume? None of the evidence laid out in this thread support these assertions.
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Hmm ? You talking to me? I love this story of the found gold man! Who doesn't love a good treasure hunt with plot twists and government bad guys. This should be a movie !Crossmod, how do you figure that those who have chimed in here "have never heard of this case" ? On the contrary, persons here (especially go-deep) have studied it VERY deeply (yes, "ALL OF IT" ). So when they/we dismiss it as "silly or illegitimate" , it's based on hard evidence.
Go back through this thread and read from the beginning. Did you not do that ? How do you figure there's any "treasure" ?
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Some of the most common complaints about this case are; What is taking so long? Why does the DOJ need more time? Why not just disclose all case file documents? The Plaintiff is a beneficiary of this lengthy and selective processing of records. It continues to cast the DOJ as obstructionist.
There is no doubt, a large contingent of the population are somewhat, aware of the case and have become suspicious of the process simply out of frustration and impatience with waiting for some Perry Mason moment. Many in that group, post online comments of moral support of the Plaintiff fueling the fire of conspiracy theories and mystery cover-up that Plaintiff desperately wants and needs to get the movie or tv deal he covets.
I have stated before that I believe the Plaintiff has already “won” his case, simply by his lawyers expediting the release of FOIA files. However, the FOIA files released show no evidence that anything was found and fully support the defendant’s official statement. Despite what the Plaintiff believes or locals allude to, there has not been a shred of credible evidence or “smoking gun” suggesting otherwise. If such evidence existed, the Plaintiff would have presented it by now.
The FOIA processing for all intents and purposes, and rightly so, is under constant demand. Its purpose is to provide the public with a right of access to federal government records. It also provides the government with specific exemptions from release when certain information release could be harmful to persons or methods. The parties are arguing over a few remaining FOIA exemptions and this seems to be all that stands to be settled before the case ends. The court case has really progressed quite rapidly to this point. When this case ends the story will begin to die a slow death but as others have said, it probably won't fade away in our lifetime. It certainly won't be tv or movie deal worthy as there is no gold to show.
So what was the big deal in getting the records? Why do things take so long? The sheer numbers for FOIA requests are staggering. Let’s look at some numbers just for the FBI FOIA REQUESTS in the DOJ Annual FOIA Report for Year 2022:
Number of FBI FOIA Requests Processed in Fiscal Year 18,350
Number of FBI FOIA Requests Pending as of End of Fiscal Year 7,079
Total Number of “Full-Time FBI FOIA Staff” 255
FBI FOIA Processing Costs $47,285,819.00
FBI FOIA Litigations-Related Costs $1,544,456.00
FBI FOIA Total Costs $48,830,275.00
Lest anyone think the Plaintiff’s request was slow-walked or obstructed, think again. This is just how it is. Take some time to read the Dents Run FOIA files and this entire thread to learn some facts about the case. You might be surprised to learn it was all about nothing.
FOIA Data Source:
Office of Information Policy | DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ANNUAL FOIA REPORT - FY22
There is no doubt, a large contingent of the population are somewhat, aware of the case and have become suspicious of the process simply out of frustration and impatience with waiting for some Perry Mason moment. Many in that group, post online comments of moral support of the Plaintiff fueling the fire of conspiracy theories and mystery cover-up that Plaintiff desperately wants and needs to get the movie or tv deal he covets.
I have stated before that I believe the Plaintiff has already “won” his case, simply by his lawyers expediting the release of FOIA files. However, the FOIA files released show no evidence that anything was found and fully support the defendant’s official statement. Despite what the Plaintiff believes or locals allude to, there has not been a shred of credible evidence or “smoking gun” suggesting otherwise. If such evidence existed, the Plaintiff would have presented it by now.
The FOIA processing for all intents and purposes, and rightly so, is under constant demand. Its purpose is to provide the public with a right of access to federal government records. It also provides the government with specific exemptions from release when certain information release could be harmful to persons or methods. The parties are arguing over a few remaining FOIA exemptions and this seems to be all that stands to be settled before the case ends. The court case has really progressed quite rapidly to this point. When this case ends the story will begin to die a slow death but as others have said, it probably won't fade away in our lifetime. It certainly won't be tv or movie deal worthy as there is no gold to show.
So what was the big deal in getting the records? Why do things take so long? The sheer numbers for FOIA requests are staggering. Let’s look at some numbers just for the FBI FOIA REQUESTS in the DOJ Annual FOIA Report for Year 2022:
Number of FBI FOIA Requests Processed in Fiscal Year 18,350
Number of FBI FOIA Requests Pending as of End of Fiscal Year 7,079
Total Number of “Full-Time FBI FOIA Staff” 255
FBI FOIA Processing Costs $47,285,819.00
FBI FOIA Litigations-Related Costs $1,544,456.00
FBI FOIA Total Costs $48,830,275.00
Lest anyone think the Plaintiff’s request was slow-walked or obstructed, think again. This is just how it is. Take some time to read the Dents Run FOIA files and this entire thread to learn some facts about the case. You might be surprised to learn it was all about nothing.
FOIA Data Source:
Office of Information Policy | DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ANNUAL FOIA REPORT - FY22
Again, the FOIA process is for citizens to gain access to government records. It is totally within Plaintiff's rights to access this information and I'm glad the counsel pursued the records, otherwise we would not have got to see the truth unless we filed the case.
Now, to go around saying the organization is obstructionist is just flat-out wrong. Here we see just how many FOIA cases were filed in 2022. It really is overwhelming, nevertheless our government provides for these freedoms. You will see that Plaintiff's case is #3 on this list:
Now, to go around saying the organization is obstructionist is just flat-out wrong. Here we see just how many FOIA cases were filed in 2022. It really is overwhelming, nevertheless our government provides for these freedoms. You will see that Plaintiff's case is #3 on this list:
As for the FBI claiming exemptions... this too is just part of the process and completely within protocol. It is not something unique to the Plaintiff's case as they would have you believe. Page 8 of this document shows just how many types and the number of times Exemptions have been applied in FOIA requests:
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YES ! Bingo ! I know that conspiracy theorists want to see "assassins hiding in every bush", but you're right ! There are hurdles to jump through FOR EVERY TAX PAYER !
For example, here's a test for any conspiracists : Just walk in to your city hall, in whatever city you live in, and demand to see payroll records, daily work reports for the street sweeper driver, the mechanic's timeclock records, the local police man's daily debrief, and all the CCTV film footage from city hall. And yes, you will be met with apathy, feet-dragging, etc...
Surprise surprise, the world doesn't stop for you !
To repeat an example from my own experience : I once got a ticket for running a red light, a block away from my house. And I could HAVE SWORN that the light only remained on yellow for just a second . Not the normal yellow light duration period. I tried telling the officer, but ... to no avail. I received the pricey ticket in the mail, and was debating on whether or not to fight the ticket. I learned from my neighbor that the city HAD IN FACT been fiddling with the timing of the lights a few weeks earlier (when I'd gotten the ticket) in some traffic-calming experiments at that intersection.
If that were true, then I was NOT mistaken about the fact of the yellow timing ! So now it was only a matter of going to city hall public works, and getting them to release their records of whatever it was they'd been doing on the lights that day! But I was met with all sorts of legal "discovery" paperwork it was going to take. Ie.: To get anyone from public works to give me the time of day. I ended up just giving up and paying it.
And if you talk to anyone who's ever worked for LEO or city halls, you find out that they are PERPETUALLY BOMBARDED with demanding crybabies who demand this and demand that. Feeling entitled that everyone has to "drop everything they're doing" and cater to the person who just waltzes in. So there is rhyme and reason for the hurdles and steps. They do NOT mean , of necessity : "Fabulous treasure"
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I know some other people here disagree with me, but I think that Dennis actually believes there was a stolen treasure there. Hence not "lying". Yes it's possible that people can be THAT delusional.
As evidence for his ability to actually believe the saga, just look at how many casual readers also simply *assume* that the government is up to no good, stealing gold, blah blah . No shortage of people who've read this headline, and simply assume something must be up.
So too is it not unreasonable to figure how Dennis himself can actually believe the narrative. Even though he's got a "front row seat" (and has had to turn himself into pretzels to manufacture the story), yet , when you've ALREADY DECIDED (a priori) that a treasure was there, then it's not hard to manufacture every single thing that happens AFTER that, to fit into the narrative that you've ALREADY decided.
I disagree.
I think Dennis knows fully well this is a hoax and he is just another Con Man/Grifter playing on some people's fear/hated of the Government!
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Yeah yeah, I know that you and go-deep disagree with me. Oh well, we can agree to disagree agreeably.
But if you've ever run into conspiracy buffs (JFK, 9-11, chemtrails, etc....) you begin to get a sense of just how far people can put "common sense aside", and favor fabulous conspiracy narratives. So too might it be possible that people (yes, even Dennis himself) is convinced of this.
And lest you think this is "letting Dennis off the hook" (removing the "liar" label), yet ....it's equally as un-flattering. Because while I might not be calling him a liar, I am essentially calling him very ... uh ... stupid, gullible, illogical, etc.... So either way, it's unflattering for him.
GoDeep has proven in several posts that parada was caught lying in regards to the actual dig.
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This probably would of been history, except for Tom, keep on replying to it, Let it die, We are all tired of it !!!
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You are correct, and I have newfound evidence to back it up, I just haven't had time to put it together and share it with the community yet.
Tom was correct up until the dig occurred. Up to that point, it was apparent Plaintiff believed gold was there, post dig, the newfound evidence fully supports Plaintiff reasonably knew there was no gold recovered but has continued on with a charade, apparently in hopes of a book or movie deal.
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