The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold
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Funny how these so-called Treasure Hunters always seem to need some production crew to come in and fund the project. Ohhh, If only they could get a deal, then they could continue to dig. Further proof that the real "treasure" is the tv deal itself.
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Consider these statements/claims here:
- During these forays he takes grainy photographs with the snake cam...of what appear to be metal urns, a whiskey barrel, and a bracelet, and identifies what Getler—relying on Somers’s photos—calls a “fricking huge vault chamber.”
- He also spots what may be gold. “There’s one picture… where there are six [gold] bars in a row,” Getler says—or, as he clarifies, “beautiful gold bar–looking things.” He later adds, “I’m either right on with my analysis, or I’m crazy.”
- By late summer, the rhetoric cools, and the principals agree that Somers will stay above ground while Getler looks for a funding source—ideally a TV project that will both underwrite and chronicle the rest of the dig.
It's strong circumstantial evidence these photos are so "grainy" that what they are seeing is nothing more than their imagination gone wild, for if these photos were even the least bit discernable as to what they are photographing, they would have investors lining up and falling over themselves to invest in the dig, yet they are still trying to convince a tv show to fund it.
I just Googled "Debunked Treasure Stories", they are out there!
Hope Dent's Run gets "Debunked"!
Vlad likes to keep the Forum tight w/o too many sub forums.
“The simplest reading of things then is that both the Paradas and the FBI were swept up by a fantastic, quixotic story and erred. Dennis Parada says no way.”
https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2022/10/pa-fbi-civil-war-gold-dents-run/
https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2022/10/pa-fbi-civil-war-gold-dents-run/
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Well gee, if a PSYCHIC said it, then .... shucks .. it MUST be true. Eh ?
And ... shucks ... if the FBI puts their time & energy into something, then : It MUST be true, eh ? After all, where there's smoke there's fire. Right ? The FBI never makes mistakes, right ? Tsk tsk
Could not have said it better.
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Here's a picture of one of the tree carvings they published on this new alleged Jesse James KGC treasure site.
Problem with "tree carvings"
1. They are as subjective as beauty.
2. There is no universal "key" to them. At any time in history, any group or any person, the "key" and "meaning" was most often what the carver envisioned would help him remember where it was.
3. There is no way to definitely date the carvings themselves.
4. There is no way to forensically prove who made the carving.
5. When legitimate core samplings are actually taken of the tree (as was the case in the debunking of the alleged KGC treasure tree at Danville National Cemetery), its often found the trees are often much younger that thought and often didn't even exist when the alleged "burial" took place.
6. In the instant case, it was said in the article that the initials "J.J." were carved in one of the beech trees and it was automatically, absent any evidence, credited to being "Jesse James" name. Several problems with this:
A. It's nonsensical, if you were Jesse James burying the treasure, you wouldn't put your initials on display to alert every tom, dick and harry that happened along that you buried a treasure nearby.
B. A quick search of people with the initials "J.J." over the span of when they could have been carved, reveals hundreds of thousands of people with the initials J.J., so to attribute it to a dead outlaw means you aren't looking to critically examine the evidence for the truth, you're just looking to pervert the evidence to fit your narrative!
Bottom line, "Beech Tree" carvings aren't credible evidence, but to someone trying to sell a Legend, they're gold.
Problem with "tree carvings"
1. They are as subjective as beauty.
2. There is no universal "key" to them. At any time in history, any group or any person, the "key" and "meaning" was most often what the carver envisioned would help him remember where it was.
3. There is no way to definitely date the carvings themselves.
4. There is no way to forensically prove who made the carving.
5. When legitimate core samplings are actually taken of the tree (as was the case in the debunking of the alleged KGC treasure tree at Danville National Cemetery), its often found the trees are often much younger that thought and often didn't even exist when the alleged "burial" took place.
6. In the instant case, it was said in the article that the initials "J.J." were carved in one of the beech trees and it was automatically, absent any evidence, credited to being "Jesse James" name. Several problems with this:
A. It's nonsensical, if you were Jesse James burying the treasure, you wouldn't put your initials on display to alert every tom, dick and harry that happened along that you buried a treasure nearby.
B. A quick search of people with the initials "J.J." over the span of when they could have been carved, reveals hundreds of thousands of people with the initials J.J., so to attribute it to a dead outlaw means you aren't looking to critically examine the evidence for the truth, you're just looking to pervert the evidence to fit your narrative!
Bottom line, "Beech Tree" carvings aren't credible evidence, but to someone trying to sell a Legend, they're gold.
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One can’t help but think these guys are trying to distance or separate themselves from any comparisons to the Dents Run fiasco. The article describes a response by Getler when questioned Why he isn’t using a gravimeter at the Ohio site:
“At one point, in the course of explaining why he isn’t using an underground detection tool called a gravimeter, he offers backstory about another dig. “Well, a gravimeter in this situation—what is the situation?” he continues. “What are we working with in terms of the stratigraphy or the geology? You know what it is—sandstone and shale.”
Now you have to wonder how much confidence has now been lost in the gravimeter since the controversy surrounding the Dents Run gravimeter results. Has Plaintiff’s associate now lost all confidence in the “science” he once recommended to the FBI to measure the specific density of Gold and was said to be super-sensitive and especially good at contrasting the Gold’s density in comparison to the sandstone the Dents Run treasure was said to be surrounded and buried in.
Why such a radical departure from such an accurate instrument which would be used in basically the same type of geology (sandstone & shale). Perhaps the feelings about the gravimeter changed when the real survey results were released and it was evident for all to see that Plaintiffs supposed treasure locations did not align at all with the location of the anomalies indicated by the gravimeter. Maybe the gravimetry was over-hyped and not as accurate as someone thought.
Could scrap buried at Dents Run have affected the gravimeter?
The author writes this in regard to the Ohio site: “The group rules out other possibilities: There are no naturally occurring metals here, and it’s an unlikely location to bury scrap.”
Scrap? Is this in any way a reference to something found in the Dents Run excavation? You know there were those images purporting to show some kind of scrap metal dug at the Dents Run site. We also know the Plaintiff had left his own junk in the ground including those metal rods in the roadbed at Dents Run. Could the Plaintiff’s associate now be sniping at those involved at the Dents Run site for junk being in the ground and somehow skewing the gravimeter results?
“At one point, in the course of explaining why he isn’t using an underground detection tool called a gravimeter, he offers backstory about another dig. “Well, a gravimeter in this situation—what is the situation?” he continues. “What are we working with in terms of the stratigraphy or the geology? You know what it is—sandstone and shale.”
Now you have to wonder how much confidence has now been lost in the gravimeter since the controversy surrounding the Dents Run gravimeter results. Has Plaintiff’s associate now lost all confidence in the “science” he once recommended to the FBI to measure the specific density of Gold and was said to be super-sensitive and especially good at contrasting the Gold’s density in comparison to the sandstone the Dents Run treasure was said to be surrounded and buried in.
Why such a radical departure from such an accurate instrument which would be used in basically the same type of geology (sandstone & shale). Perhaps the feelings about the gravimeter changed when the real survey results were released and it was evident for all to see that Plaintiffs supposed treasure locations did not align at all with the location of the anomalies indicated by the gravimeter. Maybe the gravimetry was over-hyped and not as accurate as someone thought.
Could scrap buried at Dents Run have affected the gravimeter?
The author writes this in regard to the Ohio site: “The group rules out other possibilities: There are no naturally occurring metals here, and it’s an unlikely location to bury scrap.”
Scrap? Is this in any way a reference to something found in the Dents Run excavation? You know there were those images purporting to show some kind of scrap metal dug at the Dents Run site. We also know the Plaintiff had left his own junk in the ground including those metal rods in the roadbed at Dents Run. Could the Plaintiff’s associate now be sniping at those involved at the Dents Run site for junk being in the ground and somehow skewing the gravimeter results?
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Great posts as usual ucnegold.
And of course : What treasure legend would be complete without cryptogram cypher treasure marker clues, eh ? All the evidence we need that someone's been watching one too many episodes of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" movies.
And as for gravimeter and signals : I have seen the craziest sillyest mistakes made by md'rs when they are *certain* they are getting a signal. For example : I saw one guy dig at the corner of an old army barracks for 20 minutes. Going deeper and deeper, yet : The target was still there !!
He finally gave up and called me over to help, at his now gigantic hole. I spotted the problem in 5 seconds : He was merely picking up the corner rib flashing of the barracks building. Hidden behind wooden exterior. Ribbing/flashing that extended (like a pole) down into the ground at the corner of this building. And it was merely the toe/tip of his coil that kept getting the signal. But he assumed the signal was more "down". Apparently unaware that the tip/edge of the coil is also sensitive to about an inch. Doh !
This is just a random example. So any beep that someone gets on a machine does NOT necessarily mean : "Fabulous treasure". There can be other perfectly benign explanations.
And of course : What treasure legend would be complete without cryptogram cypher treasure marker clues, eh ? All the evidence we need that someone's been watching one too many episodes of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" movies.
And as for gravimeter and signals : I have seen the craziest sillyest mistakes made by md'rs when they are *certain* they are getting a signal. For example : I saw one guy dig at the corner of an old army barracks for 20 minutes. Going deeper and deeper, yet : The target was still there !!
He finally gave up and called me over to help, at his now gigantic hole. I spotted the problem in 5 seconds : He was merely picking up the corner rib flashing of the barracks building. Hidden behind wooden exterior. Ribbing/flashing that extended (like a pole) down into the ground at the corner of this building. And it was merely the toe/tip of his coil that kept getting the signal. But he assumed the signal was more "down". Apparently unaware that the tip/edge of the coil is also sensitive to about an inch. Doh !
This is just a random example. So any beep that someone gets on a machine does NOT necessarily mean : "Fabulous treasure". There can be other perfectly benign explanations.
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Another month, another promise broken by Plaintiff. Plaintiff has stated he is going to "tell everything" probably a dozen times over the past 4 years and not once has he fulfilled that promise. There is always some excuse as to why he can't, be it a book, a court case, an impending TV show, an impending news article, etc etc etc.
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Well , It's taken Oak Island 200 yrs, right ? And Look at how many years Mel Fisher took to find his treasure. So did you expect this one to be solved over night ?
And it makes perfect sense after all. Because when you have the weight of the entire USA government trying to silence you (because they're stealing your treasure), THEN OF COURSE they are going to make your life miserable. Do you think the FBI are dummies ? C'mon. The delays are simply proof of the cover-up persecution he's enduring.
So just give him some more time. Tsk tsk.
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The truth of the matter is, as his latest filing in court laid bare, he's already told all there is to tell. The evidence has also told the full truth of what happened. But since he has a movie or book to sell, he needs everyone to keep thinking he has some big "smoking gun" waiting in the wings to tell you, but he doesn't.
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A lot of people actually will believe the story. Even intelligent people.
The reason is that : It is human nature to love a good treasure story. And to suspect conspiracies . I mean, shucks, that's America's favorite hobby is to gripe about our government. Right ? So when you combine "treasure" and govt. hush job together, there are a lot of people who simply believe a headline.
For example, a buddy of mine, who knows I'm into md'ing, sent me the link last year to the developing story. Asking, "Hey, have you heard about this treasure ?" But I had to burst his bubble and tell him there was no treasure, no theft, no conspiracy, etc... So he, like a lot of people , just scan a fun salacious headline, see the zingers, and assume "It must be true".
Why do we humans tend to fall for the stories so easily ? Because no one wants to get laughed at all the way to the bank. When I was young, I too fell for the swoon. Spent 3 weeks all over Mexico hunting for supposed caches, that my Mexican host was sure that metal detectors would make child's-play to find. As they fell apart one by one, I began to scrutinize the details He had regaled me with before leaving the USA. And ... yup. ... all just telephone game gone awry. All were things with more plausible explanations. Why didn't I apply a little skepticism before leaving ? Easy : Because all I saw was dollar signs in my eyes, that blinded me from scrutiny. So : I had to learn the hard way. A "skeptic was born", haha
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I believe this post of Plaintiffs from 2015 shouldn't be overlooked for several reasons.
1. It mirrors his accusations against the FBI:
A. A gov't agency (the PA DCNR)
B. After being shown the location of the alleged gold and silver by Plaintiff
C. Entered the Site while he wasn't present.
D. Dug up and absconded with alleged gold and silver, or so he accuses them, despite having no evidence any gold or silver was found.
2. Why this post is so telling:
A. Plaintiff claims in other posts, without evidence, that the PA DCNR did not find or remove all of the gold and silver and that some was left behind (tons of it was left behind by Plaintiffs estimation).
B. This is completely impossible. Had the PA DCNR actually found gold and silver, being it was state land, they would have remained at the site as long as it took to find and recover every ounce of treasure there was, even if it took years to complete.
C. They did not need permission, a warrant, a bond, or funds to completely excavate the area. There is NO plausible scenario where the PA DCNR would have found gold and silver and then just packed it up leaving tons of it behind. None, not even if it was rogue agents as he implies.
1. It mirrors his accusations against the FBI:
A. A gov't agency (the PA DCNR)
B. After being shown the location of the alleged gold and silver by Plaintiff
C. Entered the Site while he wasn't present.
D. Dug up and absconded with alleged gold and silver, or so he accuses them, despite having no evidence any gold or silver was found.
2. Why this post is so telling:
A. Plaintiff claims in other posts, without evidence, that the PA DCNR did not find or remove all of the gold and silver and that some was left behind (tons of it was left behind by Plaintiffs estimation).
B. This is completely impossible. Had the PA DCNR actually found gold and silver, being it was state land, they would have remained at the site as long as it took to find and recover every ounce of treasure there was, even if it took years to complete.
C. They did not need permission, a warrant, a bond, or funds to completely excavate the area. There is NO plausible scenario where the PA DCNR would have found gold and silver and then just packed it up leaving tons of it behind. None, not even if it was rogue agents as he implies.
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