The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

[GoDeep]

No. The FBI *CONCEALED* the fact that it found gold.

Alternatively, Plaintiff "believes" a lot of stuff that isn't supported by the evidence, even going so far as to forge, alter, conceal, obfuscate and misrepresent evidence himself. The only cover up being perpetrated at this point is by Plaintiff: a coverup to prevent the truth from coming out as it'll harm his TV and book prospects.

But at this point, who cares what Plaintiff believes or doesn't believe, the facts stand on their own.

 

[GoDeep]

Plaintiff doing what they do best: Misleading their readers. This is the original post from over a week ago. No reasonable person reading this post wouldn't think he meant that the "Unxplained" was doing a show on Dents Run:

Original post from Oct 22:




Now, a week later, it was edited to say it's a segment on "Blackbeard" they'll be on. Maybe they'll do what Tom_in_CA just loves: Use a one legend as proof of another legend (Blackbeard stowing away treasure at...gasp...Dents Run!) or perhaps it has nothing to with Dent's Run at all.

Revised post from Oct 29:

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Wow, he should make the world news! Talk about delusional!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Wow, he should make the world news! Talk about delusional!

Yes. And to be clear: There's nothing wrong with "tooting our horn". We all love show & tell in this hobby. And shucks, who doesn't want their pix on the cover of Rolling stone or Sports Illustrated ? But this guy has gone beyond mere show & tell. It's one thing to enjoy the spotlight for a touchdown, fame, a great find, etc... THAT YOU KNOW YOU ACCOMPLISHED ! But it's quite another thing to seek fame for something that you should know (with a bit of logical sense) that .... doesn't hold merit.

This all boils down to the warped sense of the past tense word : "Found" : If you truly "find" something, THEN SURE ! By all means boast away ! But Dennis' use of the word "found" is warped. To him, "found" means to have honed it down to a certain pasture or cave or swamp. Or that someone else "stole" it.

But rest assured he "found" (past tense) a fabulous treasure. You don't even need to see a red-cent. You just utterly disregard all the more plausible explanations to your conspiracy theories, and invent fabulous "what if ?" scenarios. And if everyone else in the world can't disprove your accusations (as if the burden of proof were on them in the first place), THEN PRESTO : You can claim you found (past tense) a fabulous treasure.

Crazy !

 

[GoDeep]

Further documented incidents of possible false statements by Plaintiff:

This latest post by Plaintiff on his Dents Run Facebook Page (see attachment 1) is again misleading the readers and making claims about the DOJ that are untrue:

- The DOJ did NOT "file for a 4 month delay in the case" as Plaintiff falsely claims.

- What the DOJ did was propose a summary judgement schedule (see attachment 2) that will be concluded by March 31st, of which during that time, both parties will be active and filing claims and counter claims. Plaintiff countered with a proposed 2 month summary judgement schedule. See post #353 for the DOJ's full proposed summary judgement schedule.


Attachment 1:



Attachment 2, DOJ's proposed schedule:

 

[GoDeep]

It's too bad some over on Plaintiffs Facebook page are still unaware of this thread, though i have been trying to reach as many of them as i can and will continue to do so.

I'm just going to leave this here:

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Go-Deep, when I read the replies that bleary eyed fans post (that you show on your post #215), It is all the-more-reason for hoping that ...... yes ...... those in the hysteria will see all the great work you've done. And all the great info. on this thread.

It's like winning a chess match, or a legal drama pro/con courtroom debate : There's a certain satisfaction that comes with that enlightening your peers. And this particular one bugs me. In any other arena, it's "whatever floats your boat", and .... to-each-his-own.

But this particular Dents Run thing bugs me. Just a personal beef. I would love to chime in on that FB page, and the "certain forum" where this conspiracy nonsense is floated. But you well-know that : It'll just be deleted. Thus yes, I hope the moderating information here causes people to have an "Aha" moment.

 

[GoDeep]

Go-Deep, when I read the replies that bleary eyed fans post (that you show on your post #215), It is all the-more-reason for hoping that ...... yes ...... those in the hysteria will see all the great work you've done. And all the great info. on this thread.

It's like winning a chess match, or a legal drama pro/con courtroom debate : There's a certain satisfaction that comes with that enlightening your peers. And this particular one bugs me. In any other arena, it's "whatever floats your boat", and .... to-each-his-own.

But this particular Dents Run thing bugs me. Just a personal beef. I would love to chime in on that FB page, and the "certain forum" where this conspiracy nonsense is floated. But you well-know that : It'll just be deleted. Thus yes, I hope the moderating information here causes people to have an "Aha" moment.

I have got in touch with several dozen of them by directly messaging them through Facebook and directing them here and several of them have had the "Aha" moment, so it is working to some degree. I also had a journalist i had contacted, who wrote an article about Dents Run, say he'd read through this thread when i directed him to it, so we are reaching some journalists out there too.

 

[SeabeeRon]

Dennis' latest FB post...

Last week Finders Keepers signed up with a major Film Company to do our own TV series on Dents Run and other KGC sites we have. I cannot give out the name of the film company yet , they will do that when they are ready. We had many offers from some of the best names in the film business.
No word from the Federal Judge about our FBI case in D.C. I will post the info as soon as we get it. We have many News Networks on hold until we know what the Judge says. The information we have will make world news again. Thank You

Reading through the comments, he sure has allot of "believers"!?!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Dennis' latest FB post......

Ron, you've prompted me to go over to his FB page, and see it for the first time. Very interesting. So, I couldn't help myself. I submitted this. And it says it's up for moderator review. Let's see if he allows it to be posted :

Dennis, I do not fault you for your desire to "show & tell" your Dents Run story. We humans love to show & tell. It's human nature for us md'rs who show off our latest trophies. And we all love seeing what each other has found. It's part of the hobby. I get it. There's not a single one of us who doesn't relish our pix on the cover of the Rolling Stone. Or the NFL player who would gripe about being on the cover of Sports Illustrated. I get it ! So I am not faulting you for seeking publicity, and making all the fuss you've made over the years, on this Dents Run thing you believe in.

And : I know you are a man of logical thinking. Thus I know you would avail yourself (and the readers here) of material that offers up other explanations for all the salacious details of the Dents Run claims. In fact, since you are so logical, and since this has become your passion, then : You would WELCOME pushback and skeptical analysis of the various claims involved. Right ? Because to ANSWER them, would be *ALL THE MORE REASONS* that your claims are justified and true.

Thus, as an apologist for this particular claim, you would love to address anyone else's pushback. That would make your case even stronger. It would make you and the story even more credible. And as someone passionate for your story, it seems you would rush to address any material that seems to controvert, or offer up "more plausible explanations".

So therefore : I appreciate that intellectual integrity on your part. Because that means you will 1) allow this link to stand, and 2) will answer the pushbacks one-by-one. Thanx Dennis !

http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=298506

 

[FreeBirdTim]

I can't reveal the film company because they're ashamed to admit they're going to film this garbage tall tale!

This guy is starting to worry me. Delusions of grandeur, I believe they call his illness...


Got this quote from WebMD. I put the last line in bold:

Delusional disorder is a serious mental illness where you can’t tell the difference between what’s real and what’s not. Delusions, or false beliefs, comes in several types. Delusions of grandeur are one of the more common ones. It’s when you believe that you have more power, wealth, smarts, or other grand traits than is true. Some people mistakenly call it “illusions” of grandeur.

Some delusions might be about events that possibly could have happened, but actually didn’t or were exaggerated.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... This guy is starting to worry me. ....

Tim, I think I've put my finger on why .... of all the silly fun ghost stories that circulate (Eg.: Oak Island, Lost Dutchman, Yamashita, blah blah), that this one irritates me more :

Because with all the camp-fire legends from history, there is no one particular person that you can go to, and interview. They tend to be hodge-podges , from multiple historical claimants. And grew up over scores of re-tellings. And they're old enough that you can NEVER go back to the prime sources, to try to sort fact from fiction.

But in the case of THIS particular yarn : It's present tense NOW. Even the source documents that Dennis can point to, are ALSO recent enough that we can analyze them.

Contrast to other treasure legends, and there's basically no way to prove or disprove them. Because their origins and original proponents are long gone. You have no choice but to say : "Whatever floats your boat" and "whatever turns you on".

So for example : It's one thing to claim a 100 yr. old treasure or a murder or a crime or a conspiracy to which you have no way to prove or disprove. Then it's mere subjective preference. And ... you can politely ignore the person you disagree with, if you want. BUT IN THIS CASE , it's all present tense. It's talking to the original source claimant ! It's the actual original proponent who is making the "found" claims. Not pointing to some event in the past or past person that you can't cross-examine. It's present-tense.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

...., he sure has allot of "believers"!?!

Well amazingly, my post appears to have been allowed ! Or maybe he's got it so only I can see it, but not others ?

Can someone here go there, and see if they see a post from "Tom Tanner", which would be time-stamped about 8am from today. Thanx !

 

[rogueaviation]

Tom,
It looks like it's there. I just joined the group to follow the circus, and I can see it near the top.
--Matt

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Tom,
It looks like it's there. I just joined the group to follow the circus, and I can see it near the top.
--Matt

Matt, thanx for confirming. I also now see that some folks have chimed in with response. Which also tells me : It's for public view.

If Dennis doesn't come along later and delete this entire thread, then .... I will credit Dennis for his integrity to allow for alternate viewpoints.

Let's see if this is allowed to stand ! In the meantime, here's a few screen capture discussions that evolved from my post (in case they get deleted later today) :

 

[Tom_in_CA]

A few screen captures from the now 2.5 hrs. that it's allowed conversation so far :

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Hhhmm, for some reason, the photo is too small to read. So here's the cut & past of some conversation so far :

Judy Smith
what is it to you whether this story is true or not Tom Tanner? If people want to believe this and follow the story, why do you have to say it's not true. What harm is there in believing that the FBI would keep the truth from them. It wouldn't be the first time the FBI was found out.

Tom Tanner Author
Judy Smith Judy, to answer your question: Is "truth" and "true" a subjective preference ? Or is "truth" and true" measured by objective external standards ?

If we were talking about something to which it's difficult to sort fact from fiction (like a religious claim, or UFO's, etc...) then sure: To each his own. But in THIS case, we're talking about present tense objective fact claims. To which original claimants can be examined, questioned, and sorted out.

Even the documents (original story , in the earliest form we know of), is recent enough that it can be examined. Thus this is NOT like a "religious" claim. Where .... we have to throw up our arms and say "whatever floats your boat". In this case, it's present tense *now*. Read the link that I've put here, and : You will see.

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Scott Sampson
There is quite a legal battle going on if you don’t know !

Tom Tanner Author
Scott Sampson Sure. And I suppose you'd say that this "legal battle" is "smoke" that indicates a "fire". Right ? But no : It's just smoke that someone created. I mean .... anyone can go sue anyone else for any imagined reason. So the mere presence of a "legal battle" does not necessarily indicate that the claim-to-which you are suing over, is necessarily true & accurate.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

and another dialogue there :

Jordan Hauptly

!!! is this lol. The FBI doesn't get off their ass without believing its worth their time and resources. Let alone send in 30 plus employees. It was there. Idc what anyone says. The fbi will deny it all day long because they can get away with anything.

Tom TannerAuthor

Jordan Hauptly Jordan, this was addressed on the thread. So I can only assume you haven't read it.

The subject of "where there's smoke, there's fire" was discussed. The notion of "the FBI wouldn't be there, unless something were cooking" was discussed . Please please please go there and see.

In short : The only reason why the FBI was there, is because the proponent spent YEARS banging on media and govt. office doors. Screaming "treasure". I can do the same thing in my backyard or a vacant lot down the street from my house : If I claim loud enough and long enough that I know where 10 murder victims are buried, I bet that I too can get LEOs to come out and dig.

And humorously enough, see if you can spot the internal contradiction with the "smoke = fire" claim : We tend to sit around and accuse govt. agencies and LEO's of being illogical "keystone cops" all the time. Ie.: wasting $$, corruption, stupidity, etc... Eh ? That's America's favorite hobby is to make fun of govt. bureaucracy, RIGHT ?

But notice that now, .... when one of them goes out to "look for a supposed treasure", then presto: *There must be some merit to the story*. Do you see the contradiction and internal inconsistency there ? We grant them "error free professional need and accuracy" when it supports our "a priori" conclusions. But when they *don't* find anything , then presto: They're key-stone cops & hiding something. Mighty convenient, eh ?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

and another exchange :

Ray Craig

Tom Tanner Some things aren't open to discussing when it comes to ongoing litigation. A logical thinking person would know that.

Tom TannerAuthor

Ray Craig Ray, and my prediction is that : No matter how much more comes out after these manufactured "cliff hangers", that : The lack of any treasure evidence will NOT mean : "no treasure". It will merely roll on to the next cliff-hanger, and will merely mean : redacted, whitewashed, scrubbed, hidden, etc......

In other words : The lack of evidence simply means : ALL THE MORE EVIDENCE . Right ? Don't you see the psychology game going on bro ??

 

[GoDeep]

I'm glad you posted the link Tom and i hope he lets it stand. You hit it on the head though when you said to that one poster it was clear he hadn't followed the link and read this thread yet. It looks like several of them haven't actually read this thread, they just started arguing with you. Hopefully they'll eventually find their way over here as this isn't just a thread of opinion, its a thread with hard facts and the receipts (evidence) posted to back it up. It's undeniable if you have even a slightly open mind.