OAK ISLAND

[rogueaviation]

Idk I’m kinda meh on the show still watch from time to time but it did make my daughter say i wish i had a metal detector this looks fun. So i got her one. so guess thats a positive if the show gets people young and old to maybe pick up the hobby and get outside and be active.

I'm of the same mind about the show. The editing, repeating, scripting and "Hollywood-ing" of the treasure hunting really turns me off to the show.

But, on the other hand, it has put treasure hunting and metal detecting in the spotlight, and I think that helps the hobby. Hopefully it gets kids away from screens and outside.

--Matt

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Well, Tom, I believe this story from day one about boys finding a chain hanging from a tree. I believe that pirates buried the treasures, then dug tunnels so it would be hard to dig it up. Why were pirates or anybody else would dig tunnels if no treasures?

Are you serious ? Or is this post a joke ? Is "treasure" the most plausible explanation in this cause-&-effect study ? Or is benign explanations the most-plausible ? Please Please tell me you are only joking. Otherwise, we are only going to need to hash-out and debate this whole O.I. thing, from the complete beginning !!

 

[Cfmct]

Are you serious ? Or is this post a joke ? Is "treasure" the most plausible explanation in this cause-&-effect study ? Or is benign explanations the most-plausible ? Please Please tell me you are only joking. Otherwise, we are only going to need to hash-out and debate this whole O.I. thing, from the complete beginning !!

We can hardly wait...

 

[Cfmct]

Are you serious ? Or is this post a joke ? Is "treasure" the most plausible explanation in this cause-&-effect study ? Or is benign explanations the most-plausible ? Please Please tell me you are only joking. Otherwise, we are only going to need to hash-out and debate this whole O.I. thing, from the complete beginning !!

Tom... why not take Danny to Oak Island and take Ricks tour... bring some of your older finds that the soap opera cast can incorporate into the show...

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I looked for Gary, but he is not listed... guess he hasn't made the bigtime yet

 

[Coin-Saver]

See, you guys got it all wrong. It wasn't pirates that stashed treasure on that island, it was ancient aliens. Now as soon as they start thinking like aliens they will find the treasure. After all, only aliens could have had the technology build those flood shafts that fill with water and leave such interesting marks. I'll bet the handle of the Big Dipper points right to Oak island. Why? because an alien wouldn't bury a treasure without a celestial map to follow. Now THAT would be completely ridiculous. Keep

 

[SS_Wonder]

Over on tnet one poster stated that the “money pit” was a space-time portal that allowed the templars to take their treasure to Mars.

Perhaps they met templar martians?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Over on tnet one poster stated that the “money pit” was a space-time portal that allowed the templars to take their treasure to Mars.

Perhaps they met templar martians?

And knowing that "certain forum", you are probably not allowed to question or critique this ^ ^

 

[Cfmct]

See, you guys got it all wrong. It wasn't pirates that stashed treasure on that island, it was ancient aliens. Now as soon as they start thinking like aliens they will find the treasure. After all, only aliens could have had the technology build those flood shafts that fill with water and leave such interesting marks. I'll bet the handle of the Big Dipper points right to Oak island. Why? because an alien wouldn't bury a treasure without a celestial map to follow. Now THAT would be completely ridiculous. Keep

Everyone is wrong here... what they are digging in was a ancient attempt at building the first septic tank and the tunnels were for different parts of the community there...

 

[Connecticut Danny]

Yes. Opposing views not welcome there. Echo-chamber. Bummer.

Because that's the only thing that will strengthen us all, in the end, is to know what opposing views might moderate your own. Ie.: We should ALL be seeking the most damming material against our positions. That is the way to learn, take your own pulse, seek more plausible explanations for what might *seem* to be persuasive, etc...

I certainly agree that there should be censorship and moderation if someone becomes obnoxious. Sure. But not for simple intellectual pushback.

Not us, my friend, never we become obnoxious.

 

[Connecticut Danny]

Are you serious ? Or is this post a joke ? Is "treasure" the most plausible explanation in this cause-&-effect study ? Or is benign explanations the most-plausible ? Please Please tell me you are only joking. Otherwise, we are only going to need to hash-out and debate this whole O.I. thing, from the complete beginning !!

Are you serious ? Or is this post a joke ? Is "treasure" the most plausible explanation in this cause-&-effect study ? Or is benign explanations the most-plausible ? Please Please tell me you are only joking. Otherwise, we are only going to need to hash-out and debate this whole O.I. thing, from the complete beginning !!

In our great country, we have the right to be wrong, and you are totally wrong. You never answer my question. If pirates or anybody else did not buried treasure on the island, why did a group of people dug tunnels? I make it easy on you because I like you. Because they buried treasure and fear other groups would dig the treasure, so they dug tunnels. Remember, a future present was one of the many treasure hunters seeking treasures. The only Joke here is you. I like you anyway. We gone a long way back.

 

[Coin-Saver]

One of my questions would be if they were on the island alone long enough to build and dig all these tunnels then how would anyone know they would have been there in the first place to have even buried a treasure?

Now according to lore the island had been a haven for pirates of all kinds during the 17th and early 18th centuries. Another question would be why on earth would anyone burry a treasure there? Certainly if three teenagers in 1795 knew this, then it's obvious that any and ALL pirates at the time knew this. Again not giving me a warm and fuzzy about a treasure being there in the first place. But let's say you're right and it was buried there. The likelihood of it still being there leaves a lot to the imagination.

Certainly anyone that knows anything about any modern treasure finds knows that somewhere, somebody will have lawyers on standby to collect what they will say is rightfully theirs. So on that I ask........Why on earth would you televise such a popular treasure find. You don't see any ship wreck treasure hunters doing that. They try to keep it as quiet as possible and as far as I know anyone that has ever found an ocean treasure gets sued......BY EVERYONE......WORLDWIDE. So you'd THINK they wouldn't want to draw attention to the fact that they found a treasure worth possible billions.

No one can ever really say for sure if a treasure was there or not because none of us were there. But I will go out on a limb and say this. I believe that all that will ever be found on that island on that show is anything that the Lagina's can afford to buy with the millions they already have. Let's face it. With a combined wealth of 110 million I think they could have made the SHOW more interesting. I'll also predict that when ratings start to drop, you'll see more finds being made.

I'm afraid all that's going to be found there for our viewing public is another clue to another clue to another bit of information that leads to the same ole NOTHING. A coin here and there, a brooch now and again. possibly a ring. Just enough to tease the senses.

Someone found a way to make a dollar from a dead treasure story and get publicity for their tour business. It's funny how they have added more to the story in ten years then what was available in the first 200 years.

The biggest question I have out of all of this, is if the pirates had a "WAR ROOM"? That one keeps me up at night.

 

[GoDeep]

The thing that always got me about Oak Island is allegedly teens saw something on the island and found a depression in the ground while fishing, but yet no one (including the Native Americans) ever saw them building the tunnels, traps and rooms hundreds of feet long and deep and even extending out into the sea which would have meant they had to build coffer dams while they built the sea connected tunnels?

To build such a deep and elaborate network of tunnels, rooms, sea coffer dams and sea connected booby traps, while not impossible as great ancient engineering feats have shown, but it would have taken months, if not years, if not decades to build this elaborate network and hundreds, if not thousands, of workers and thousands of man hours and equipment.
But no one saw any of that? And such a monumental engineering feat was never recorded in diaries or manifests, or logs or mentioned to anyone by any of the engineers and workers who designed, tested and built it?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

...... No one can ever really say for sure if a treasure was there or not because none of us were there. ....

Why is this ^ ^ Any different than if I said : "No one can ever really say for sure that unicorns are on Mars or not, because none of us were there" ?

And I notice that to bolster the notion of treasure, you refer back to the original story (the boys, blah blah blah). And to the original dig "flooded , supposed tunnels", etc...). Which is all a part of the legend.

So it would be circular reasoning, if someone , in seeking validity to a story, merely gets pointed back to the story itself. That is known as begging-the-question, and circular reasoning.

And I got news for you : If I went to any ocean beach near me, and started digging a deep pit a mere 50 or 100 yards from the ocean, it's going to (drumroll) fill in with water !! You don't even need tunnels to accomplish this flooding. All you need to do is dig deeper than the water-table-level.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... but it would have taken months, if not years, if not decades to build ....

and here's another thought : When you are "hiding" something, ask yourself : Is it more "hidden" if it's 1 ft. deep ? Or 100 ft. deep ? Obviously, if the person covers the hole, and fluffs up the surrounding landscape, then presto: It's equally hidden whether it's 1 ft. deep, or 100 ft. deep.

So I've never understood this notion that caches, of necessity, are going to be insanely deep. I've done a few posse cache recoveries over the years for people (next of kin, etc....). And in every case, the item they buried was only a foot or two deep. Why the need for insane depth, if .... as long as the surface is brought back to normal looking, then presto: It's equally hidden.

And heck, you're going to theoretically come back and retrieve it some day, right ? So why make that process harder than you need to ?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

....., but it would have taken months, if not years, if not decades to build ....

By way of illustration : We have a pocket / cove beach near me, that has bed rock at about 2 or 3 ft. to 6 or 7 ft (depending on which end of the beach you're at). And years ago, we wised up to the fact that bedrock wasn't that deep here. And that the old coins can not sink deeper than bedrock.

So we would make sport of going and digging pits on this beach, down to bedrock. To do so, we would have to wait till insanely low king tides, lest water merely fill in our holes.

And to do the sections where bedrock is only 2 or 3 ft. was fairly easy. Within 30 minutes you could have a table sized area dug down, and then start pitching out the old coins with your shoveling .

But I noticed that the places we had to dig to 6 or 7 ft. down to reach bedrock, became exponentially harder ! Because when you're down there to 6 + ft. deep, then to have a single-square foot of bottom space (at bedrock), means that the TOP of the hole has to be like 6 ft. across !! Ie.: the hole is cone-shaped. Not shaft-shaped. Otherwise : Sand just keeps caving in on the sides. So to get a table sized bottom swath at 6 ft. deep, means you're practically shoveling truck loads of sand.

It would take us HOURS AND HOURS of back-breaking work, just to do these 6 + ft. deep pits. And : Any military guys here who dug fox-holes in boot camp, are sure-to-relate to this.

So with this in mind : Extrapolate to the supposed 100+ ft of the O.I. legend. It simply makes no sense.

 

[GoDeep]

and here's another thought : When you are "hiding" something, ask yourself : Is it more "hidden" if it's 1 ft. deep ? Or 100 ft. deep ? Obviously, if the person covers the hole, and fluffs up the surrounding landscape, then presto: It's equally hidden whether it's 1 ft. deep, or 100 ft. deep.

So I've never understood this notion that caches, of necessity, are going to be insanely deep. I've done a few posse cache recoveries over the years for people (next of kin, etc....). And in every case, the item they buried was only a foot or two deep. Why the need for insane depth, if .... as long as the surface is brought back to normal looking, then presto: It's equally hidden.

And heck, you're going to theoretically come back and retrieve it some day, right ? So why make that process harder than you need to ?

Exactly, I've long argued this too. And to add, as pointed out above, the longer you are on site digging, the more likely you are to be discovered and your treasure stolen. They didn't have metal detectors then, so whether you buried it 5 feet deep or 50, it was equally safe. Being on site for days, weeks, months digging tunnels, bobby traps and coffer dams is what would have made the treasure unsafe from discovery. In and out as quickly as possible is the goal.

Read the Lewis and Clark diaries, they talk about this phenomenon. They knew the Native Americans may be watching as they buried supply caches along their routes for the return trip. They knew they had to bury them as quick as possible, and even then as they detail in their journal, many of them were found and already dug up by the Natives on their return trip. So, building this elaborate Hoax of tunnels and traps would have been the anti-thesis of what they were trying to do: Hide Treasure.

 

[GoDeep]

This is a bit off topic, but still relevant to the overall topic as it demonstrates just how delusional some treasure hunters (and viewers) can get, not just on Oak Island. I think we should have Franklin over on Tnet find the Oak Island Treasure, after all, he claims to have found the Arc of the Covenant and the Holy Grail among other finds. This isn't satire, he actually posted this and believes it, see attachment below. He posted it below someone's profile to call them out for a post they made, evidently thinking he was Private messaging them, when in fact it was a public post! I didn't realize I was arguing with what can only be described as someone totally disconnected from any reality.

As an aside, I don't know if anyone has followed the "talking tree threads" over on tnet (one is locked, one is still open, just search "Lost Diary of Thomas Beale" by Franklin ) about the alleged KGC gold burials and a Beech tree in the Danville National Cemetery that was allegedly carved around the Civil War with keys/maps to the KGC treasure. Well, I debunked it and was able to definitively prove the tree is only 81 years old through aerial photos and core sampling.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... In and out as quickly as possible is the goal.....

Exactly. And the months long effort required by the O.I. narrative, and the crews-of-manpower needed for such an effort, simply defeats your very-own-purpose ! Because now you have A WHOLE CREW of men who know where the treasure is (how do you know your shipmates won't come back solo ?). So the best bet for hiding something is that : The LESS people that know, the better. Not the MORE people.

And to whatever extent (as the narrative goes) that it was made difficult (so none of those crew members got the idea to return on their own time) simply also works against the treasure-owners' purposes. I mean, that simply means that THEY TOO have the impossible task.

The story just makes no sense. All that is needed for hiding something is 2 ft. deep, then fluff up the surface. By making a giant and deeper hole, then it is simply ALL THE HARDER to disguise the surface (since you've now turned the entire surface area into a giant scar). Just makes no sense at all.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

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I think we should have Franklin over on Tnet find the Oak Island Treasure, after all, he claims to have found the Arc of the Convenant and the Holy Grail among other finds. This isn't satire, he actually posted this and believes it,

Go deep, be careful in your skeptical pushbacks there. You can get the boot very easily !! Stories like those are not-to-be-questioned. Tread softly.

Also, if/when you follow through with Franklin's claims, it will boil down to his definition of "found". He will say he "found" (past tense) those things, if he's narrowed it down to a certain swamp. Or certain cave. Or certain mountain, etc... Now it's merely a matter of digging 100 ft. deep. Or overcoming govt. red tape obstacles, or pinpointing the exact spot in the mountain, blah blah. But : Rest assured he's "found" (past tense) a treasure.

You just have to understand their vocabulary and definitions.

 

[SS_Wonder]

Tom_in_CA.....Since you mentioned franklin, he is the one that discovered the space-time portal to Mars located in the "money pit".