New here from the Shenandoah Valley. Iron problems.

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I don't use a lot of forums so I'm not even sure what's the most effective way or place to ask a question. Probably either here or in relic/coin hunting section. Basically I'm pretty new to the hobby but have been busting my rear for about a month. On average a few hours everyday. Put in 7 today alone. I had a bounty hunter 2 until I just got the Garrett at pro w 5x8 dd coil a few days ago. Huge difference obviously. Also have the pinpointer by Garrett, lesche shovel and garden knife. But the thing that's killing me is I have access to what should be an amazing place but I am not having much luck.

I have been given permission to search on 300 acres of property that sits right off of route 11 near Winchester va. It's prime location for civil war relics. But this property is more. There is a home on this farm land that was built in the mid-1700's. Owners still live there. This place has been documented to have had the likes of George Washington stay here, as well as Stonewall Jackson. They farm probably 1/3 of the land. I was told the they have let people metal detect a bit in the fields over the years and they suspect a few people have done it at night without permission. I can't use the fields now because they have crops growing. But I was told I can go pretty much anywhere else I like and that likely no one had really ever detected much in the woods (thick). I wasn't told specifically if I could search near the home and so I've been a bit timid and haven't searched very near to the home due to the lawn being nice around it. But, I've searched a lot within 50 yds of the home on the lawn as it heads downhill towards rt 11. Today I focused on the path that was once the road/driveway that led to route 11. I've searched around old trees, and ground depressions...and all over the front yard (about 25-50 yds away from the home. The owner told me some "legends" like where they were told the slave quarters once were, and where there is a spring maybe 100 yds out the back of the home that had been built up w stone and that maybe there was a tunnel that led from the house to the spring, and there is a quarry where they got the stone from for the house...and right next to the house are two log cabins that are original and still stand (leaning pretty far though). Sounds amazing right? I haven't had the opportunity to be in the house yet but likely will soon.

But the biggest problem is, there is iron EVERYWHERE! In most places I search I can't go 6-12 inches in any direction without hearing one or several low beeps from a variety of iron large and small. Nails to pieces the size of your whole hand. I have been using the pro setting. The first 10 hours using the at pro I used coin setting and iron disc to 40, then would use the iron audio when I thought I heard something good. Usually it was a mass of several iron pieces and I would move on. But if I wasn't sure I'd dig it up and sure enough it was usually a very thick piece of old farm or plow equipment iron or maybe a horseshoe. This place was extremely active. Today I searched all afternoon and tried using zero -pro and just listen to all the iron. Thought I had a good plan working my way slowly on the path that was the driveway back in the day. I only found junk metal...and lots of it. Usually it's about 6 inches down. Sometimes more or less. Usually if I dig it up its a large chunk of heavy iron or flat folded up tin or something like tin or old nails etc. mostly large chunks of iron scattered literally everywhere. The only things I've found of any significance is a brass button - Union general infantry - with the eagle on it. I found a minie ball and a piece of grapeshot. But those last two were found in a field far from the house before the crops started growing and with my old detector. Since being near the house I'm really focusing on coins. The only coin I've found is a 1982 nickel. šŸ™ So I know it's a lot to read, but I was so pumped to be able to detect on this property and now I feel like I'm losing my mind. I just need one good find to keep me going. I know I have a lot more to explore at this land. It is so huge. But I keep asking myself if my AT pro can handle the depth here. I'm sure it can. I just wonder if stuff is way deep due to how I've found almost nothing, but I'll periodically find bullet casings 6 inches down that are likely less than 100yrs old. I've read lots on how to defeat the iron beast. But right now it's winning. I would really appreciate any advice anyone can offer. Including if I should ask this really long question elsewhere. I'm close to bringing in a more experienced person to come in and see what they think. I think I know what I'm doing but maybe I really just don't...sigh...Thanks everyone. hope to hear some good ideas.
 

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If your new to the hobby, welcome aboard.

The picture only shows a few finds, but everyone I know digs trash as its part of the game. I have the exact same detector. Having a lot of iron means one thing, you are in the right spot. Listen for the iron but do not dig it unless your looking for relics. I take a plastic 5 gallon bucket with me on old sites, you will fill it fast with trash. As for settings, lower settings may get you better results. Sounds like you already have made a few good finds, dont beat yourself up. As for some post you see on the internet, those guys have been hunting for years and have developed tricks to the trade. You have the opportunity most of us never get, hope you dont look back and feel you wasted it. I use two detectors, both which are good for your hunt. Lets concentrate on the AT Pro, it is amazing in iron. Just some situations nothing will penetrate. So move on to what you can hunt. Try to lower your settings till you get better results. I rarely run full sensitivity. I have never cranked the disc up above 19 with good results. Pro Zero is the way to go. Go slow and listen for the sounds in between. Use the Iron Audio to check those deep targets. Anytime you have multiple targets or large iron in a hole you can get a high tone like a coin. Dont get discouraged. Make a video or tell yourself a joke to pass the time. You keep digging those buttons and mini balls, a coin will come. If you havent watched some of the hunts on youtube, try to pick up a few pointers there also. I sure hope this has helped just a bit.
 
Welcome from Wild West Virginia, .........yeah, your going to have a learning curve going from the BH to the Pro that's for sure. Metal detecting is definitely a patience game, maybe find a fellow enthusiast in your area to share the time and hunt, might make it more enjoyable, remember, it's supposed to be fun, not a job.
 
Thanks.

Sorry for the novel. I am having fun. Always wanted to do this. Can't wait to have a little more experience under my belt. I'm going to go zero pro today like I did yesterday and keep trying. I'll let you know how it goes. Really appreciate the advice!
 
Welcome from Massachusetts! Sounds like you got a great spot there,
I would say to be patient and the good finds will come,
there's no way anyone hunted a spot that size to death.
I know your hunting for coins but with the property's history there maybe some great iron relics worth finding too.
Good luck, hope your next find is a good one!
 
Sorry for the novel. I am having fun. Always wanted to do this. Can't wait to have a little more experience under my belt. I'm going to go zero pro today like I did yesterday and keep trying. I'll let you know how it goes. Really appreciate the advice!

Welcome! Now worries...you provided good information.
AT Pro definitely does work in heavy iron. I do it all the time. However it took a while for me to tolerate the constant signal info and begin to pic out worthwhile targets amongst the chatter. Patience and hours on the machine will help dial things in.

You say this spot is in VA? I could have sworn Ive heard about heavily magnetized soil and clay down that way...that would add to the frustration.

Stay with that site no doubt. Step away from the house and barns and search the fields (after harverst/haying) and always after they till and flatten...brings new targets to the service every year. Meanwile hunt the peripheral areas and see if you have the same problem. Keep swinging and enjoy! Finds will come....

PS - I Also run PRO Zero mode....and I get great depth with the stock coil.
 
Welcome! Now worries...you provided good information.
AT Pro definitely does work in heavy iron. I do it all the time. However it took a while for me to tolerate the constant signal info and begin to pic out worthwhile targets amongst the chatter. Patience and hours on the machine will help dial things in.

You say this spot is in VA? I could have sworn Ive heard about heavily magnetized soil and clay down that way...that would add to the frustration.

Stay with that site no doubt. Step away from the house and barns and search the fields (after harverst/haying) and always after they till and flatten...brings new targets to the service every year. Meanwile hunt the peripheral areas and see if you have the same problem. Keep swinging and enjoy! Finds will come....

PS - I Also run PRO Zero mode....and I get great depth with the stock coil.

I agree. I've been doing this since the eighties and I still learn something new almost every time I go out. I think the biggest thing is getting to know your machine and not bouncing around to different ones if possible.

H/H
 
trusting the machine

I think that I have learned - especially from watching youtube videos on the ATpro - what it sounds like to hear deep silver etc. I keep hearing such large pieces of iron that reads into the 80's that I keep going after them....but I'm finally getting it through my skull to trust the grunt of iron on the outside of these tones and to also distrust to a degree if the volume of the high pitch is same as the iron tone edges that I hear with a lot of this trash.

honestly, I don't have any silver coins that I can go out and do a mock site with and hear what it would sound like deep. So, finally getting that info via youtube has been real eye opening. Now I'm starting to really listen to those very faint tones.

quick question though - I have the stock coil from the AT Pro package, and I've been using the 5x8DD...I think I adequately know the pros and cons of each...soooo, in your opinion(s), and knowing that most finds at this site are pretty deep (even junk iron is 6 inches minimum), should I continue to use the 5x8 in the heavy iron areas (knowing I can skirt around the trash with the narrow beam, but give up a bit of depth), and then maybe switch to the larger stock coil when working the outskirts of this property - which has a lot less concentration of iron (like in the outer field)....thus getting more depth and also convenience of larger coverage?
 
quick question though - I have the stock coil from the AT Pro package, and I've been using the 5x8DD...I think I adequately know the pros and cons of each...soooo, in your opinion(s), and knowing that most finds at this site are pretty deep (even junk iron is 6 inches minimum), should I continue to use the 5x8 in the heavy iron areas (knowing I can skirt around the trash with the narrow beam, but give up a bit of depth), and then maybe switch to the larger stock coil when working the outskirts of this property - which has a lot less concentration of iron (like in the outer field)....thus getting more depth and also convenience of larger coverage?

BINGO....exactly I used the smaller coil in the beginning but now stick to the stock coil even in the iron areas......Ive learned to process all the tones that used to drive me crazy.
PS - 18 Months for me on the ATP....and recently I have been surprised going after the "iffy" or mixed tones. Quite a few times I would pull a nail, pulltab and a coin!!? Always learning....HH!
 
I've only been on the ATP for a couple months now, but I'll throw in my 2 cents.

Try using the ground balance feature on the ATP, it should help to weed out any falsing due to the soil.

Unless I am surface hunting, I don't disc anything out, hearing all the tones helps a ton, especially when hunting trashy areas. I've learned from my few years of hunting that if you go out every time expecting to find silvers, and civil war relics, that you are only going to be dissapointed. When you go out expect to have fun. Like others have said, its not a job, its a hobby!

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Too bad about all of the iron, but, there is little you can do about it except to dig it. If there is that much iron there, you can bet it is masking other targets. The only way to get to the good stuff is to dig the bad stuff.

In your situation, I would be digging everything. Chances like this don't happen regularly.
 
Spots like that are a pain, go slow and listen for the tones you like amongst all the junk. It's a pain but it can be worth it... I've got spots like that but littered with tin which gives a nice signal, pita spot but good stuff is there to be found...
 
I would swing a grid that is counter to the lay of the land....meaning, against the grain of grids of metal detectors before you.

Also, I would run the AT Pro wide open and slow as hell. Take your time with that spot. And be prepared to dig some one way squeaks....the iron will mask a signal on one side but not the other.

I have a deep, extreme iron spot too...and these one-way signals have resulted in 10 or so coins in a 50 foot area from the years 1895-1943.

Good luck.
 
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