Interesting observation in MY yard Deus 2

[IDXMonster]

I cleared all disc and notch and found the cleanest ground available, seemed pretty decent but there will always be SOME piece of tiny something everywhere. Freq scanned and GB’d in all modes…Deep HC was the ONLY mode that would accurately ID the 10” Merc with the 11x13” coil. It read 90-92 very consistently and relatively strong, and I could raise the coil an inch before it was gone. In ALL other modes I got a weaker ID of 25-33 or no response whatsoever. When I initially scanned the ground before digging the hole I had no response from Deep HC, Park or Sensitive. I do need to go find some other piece of ground to test on but the fact that this particular test was SO obviously “won” by Deep HC actually worries me just a bit. Most all of my productive sites which have held old coins are chock full of nails and I’ve found that Deep HC isn’t the optimal thing to use because of a lot of good coin indications that aren’t coins, instead they are nails or medium iron items. I’m not stating that this is anything remotely conclusive or any of that, I’m thinking the higher frequencies of some of the other modes were now seeing some tiny thing that got dredged up which Deep HC and it’s lower frequencies was not, and for whatever reason a couple modes didn’t even respond to. I very much WANT to use Deep HC and am very much looking forward to the next update from XP. This is really just a one-off observation in one situation, overall the performance and results over time have been excellent so far…but THIS test just had a drastic difference in modes. Has anyone else seen this in the wild?

 

[CW3]

I told you mine with the 11" coil would barely hit my 9" merc running the silver slayer program.

I'll mess with different modes next weekend.

 

[IDXMonster]

I’d have to think soils are making a big difference. When other people are showing tests of deep coins with about any mode these tests are in basically sand, or extremely sandy soil. I know the D2 will see coins WAY deep even with Silver Slayer using the 9” coil. I’ve found more than a few in a volleyball court, had to dig all the way to the dirt the court was built on! That’s a Reactivity of 1, but still…SO many variables.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

The general program. Don’t underestimate. Try it. Saw some very good performance back in the winter using it.
I do toggle between modes when detecting.
Also be mindful ground stability setting in park program is defaulted to level 3. Which is a depth killer. Move to level 2.

 

[Beachhunt1]

I’d have to think soils are making a big difference.

SO many variables.

Not land hunting related. But I agree 100% with beach hunting. The D2 is a machine of many variables and not forgiving depending on conditions. Better know how to set it for your locations!

 

[CW3]

My soil is all sand based. I have sleeping bear sand dunes 20 miles from my house. All the soil is very sandy here.

I have a lot of iron in the ground. It seems like I can never get away from the iron.

 

[Cherry Picker]

I don't give much to custom programs because the condition can vary & change so much. Knowing your detector is where the real results are.

1. Location.
2. Knowledge of your detector.
3. What Detector you use.

 

[CW3]

Another issue is EMI.

I have to run sensitivity to 65 just to get it usable. Even at 65 it’s still falsing.

 

[Rattlehead]

I think both Fast and Deep HC have some clear advantages and disadvantages. I like Fast (SS notch pattern) for cherry picking common silvers, mainly because it eliminates a lot of those iron falses you mentioned, and it seems to handle EMI better than Deep HC based programs. With the high notch setting, it'll definitely miss some co-mingled targets due to the ID being drug down, but its a trade off that I'm happy to accept on many locations because it bumps up my treasure to trash ratio considerably. If I'm hunting a pounded spot and/or looking for a wider range of coins or relics, I'll run a more open Deep HC where there's modern trash, or a Fast based program with the notch opened up to accept more targets. As for depth, I think it depends on the ground you're hunting. I've dug 10" coins with Fast based programs with the reactivity set at 1. Deep HC is definitely deeper, so if I'm hunting a spot where everything tends to run deep, that's the one I load up.

 

[bigtim1973]

I cleared all disc and notch and found the cleanest ground available, seemed pretty decent but there will always be SOME piece of tiny something everywhere. Freq scanned and GB’d in all modes…Deep HC was the ONLY mode that would accurately ID the 10” Merc with the 11x13” coil. It read 90-92 very consistently and relatively strong, and I could raise the coil an inch before it was gone. In ALL other modes I got a weaker ID of 25-33 or no response whatsoever. When I initially scanned the ground before digging the hole I had no response from Deep HC, Park or Sensitive. I do need to go find some other piece of ground to test on but the fact that this particular test was SO obviously “won” by Deep HC actually worries me just a bit. Most all of my productive sites which have held old coins are chock full of nails and I’ve found that Deep HC isn’t the optimal thing to use because of a lot of good coin indications that aren’t coins, instead they are nails or medium iron items. I’m not stating that this is anything remotely conclusive or any of that, I’m thinking the higher frequencies of some of the other modes were now seeing some tiny thing that got dredged up which Deep HC and it’s lower frequencies was not, and for whatever reason a couple modes didn’t even respond to. I very much WANT to use Deep HC and am very much looking forward to the next update from XP. This is really just a one-off observation in one situation, overall the performance and results over time have been excellent so far…but THIS test just had a drastic difference in modes. Has anyone else seen this in the wild?

I would not move that coin from there. Leave it and over time all of the ground matrix will take and settle back down from being dug up.


Believe it or not, when I made my test garden I mixed the soil with water when I filled the targets back in

It gets all of the air gaps out of the spoil.


Over time take and run the other programs over it and you will notice a difference.


I would make a few more targets in the test bed.

 

[Diga]

I like Fast (SS notch pattern) for cherry picking common silvers, mainly because it eliminates a lot of those iron falses you mentioned, and it seems to handle EMI better than Deep HC based programs.

In my experience, using a low frequency like 5 khz or a very low weighted SMF, is ideal for unmasking coins that are masked by nonferrous trash. But ya, those low frequencies are also more prone to EMI and iron falsing. With the Silver Slayer program, it notches out everything below silver / copper. As such, it's great in EMI, because most EMI IDs below copper / silver.

Speaking of iron falsing. I mentioned on another forum that a lot of iron falsing can be identified if the detector has a ferrous / nonferrous meter. I don't mean a Manti like screen, which is an ID plotter, but rather a meter that shows the ratio of ferrous / nonferrous material under the coil. Anyway, with such meters, iron falsing can be better identified, because the nonferrous side of the meter will usually show nothing. As far as modern detectors go, I was only aware that the Legend and the new Quest line had such a meter, but was then informed that the D1 and D2 also have a ferrous / nonferrous meter. So that's cool

 

[Cherry Picker]

Might also mention all bets are off when the target is 7" or deeper.

 

[Diga]

Might also mention all bets are off when the target is 7" or deeper.

For sure!

The only way to ID the really deep stuff, is to dig it up.

 

[Rattlehead]

In my experience, using a low frequency like 5 khz or a very low weighted SMF, is ideal for unmasking coins that are masked by nonferrous trash. But ya, those low frequencies are also more prone to EMI and iron falsing. With the Silver Slayer program, it notches out everything below silver / copper. As such, it's great in EMI, because most EMI IDs below copper / silver.

Speaking of iron falsing. I mentioned on another forum that a lot of iron falsing can be identified if the detector has a ferrous / nonferrous meter. I don't mean a Manti like screen, which is an ID plotter, but rather a meter that shows the ratio of ferrous / nonferrous material under the coil. Anyway, with such meters, iron falsing can be better identified, because the nonferrous side of the meter will usually show nothing. As far as modern detectors go, I was only aware that the Legend and the new Quest line had such a meter, but was then informed that the D1 and D2 also have a ferrous / nonferrous meter. So that's cool

Yeah, both the original Deus and Deus 2 have the ferrous/non-ferrous meter. It’s a nice feature, but with the XP machines, it’s also really easy to identify falsing via audio nuance in all but the thickest of iron. It’s still fairly easy to hear the difference in thick iron, but with so much audible feedback, it tends to be sensory overload trying to mentally process the barrage of sounds that are nearly the same pitch. For me, anyway. When cherry picking, it’s nice to be able to walk past most of the high chirping iron without needing to think about it or look at the screen.

 

[Diga]

When cherry picking, it’s nice to be able to walk past most of the high chirping iron without needing to think about it or look at the screen.

Agreed. I only want to hear my detector when it detects something I set it to detect. Anything else, I find audibly annoying. Even when I'm digging all nonferrous targets though, I still disc out the ferrous, or set my fist tone break right above ferrous.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

In my experience, using a low frequency like 5 khz or a very low weighted SMF, is ideal for unmasking coins that are masked by nonferrous trash. But ya, those low frequencies are also more prone to EMI and iron falsing. With the Silver Slayer program, it notches out everything below silver / copper. As such, it's great in EMI, because most EMI IDs below copper / silver.

Speaking of iron falsing. I mentioned on another forum that a lot of iron falsing can be identified if the detector has a ferrous / nonferrous meter. I don't mean a Manti like screen, which is an ID plotter, but rather a meter that shows the ratio of ferrous / nonferrous material under the coil. Anyway, with such meters, iron falsing can be better identified, because the nonferrous side of the meter will usually show nothing. As far as modern detectors go, I was only aware that the Legend and the new Quest line had such a meter, but was then informed that the D1 and D2 also have a ferrous / nonferrous meter. So that's cool

Yeah and in case folks are wondering about Deus 1 and Deus 2. Can heavier masked (by ferrous) nonferrous targets make the ferrous/nonferrous (horseshoe) meters behave like iron false ? The answer is yes. Better to listen to audio and its behavior with coils sweeps and not be studying the horseshoe meter much.

 

[Big Boys Hobbies]

I don't give much to custom programs because the condition can vary & change so much. Knowing your detector is where the real results are.

1. Location.
2. Knowledge of your detector.
3. What Detector you use.

Excellent post. I have people calling me all the time and they just keep bouncing around different programs they see on the internet.
I tell my customers ALL the time please do not get all caught up on everybody's "special settings". Start out in a factory program and learn the machine. That way when you make an adjustment you can tell what it did. Whether it helped or made things worse.

 

[sube]

Excellent post. I have people calling me all the time and they just keep bouncing around different programs they see on the internet.
I tell my customers ALL the time please do not get all caught up on everybody's "special settings". Start out in a factory program and learn the machine. That way when you make an adjustment you can tell what it did. Whether it helped or made things worse.

I think this is a great post detectors today have so many more functions than older generations easy to get lost .Kind of like algebra miss 3 or 4 classes and it's like what . sube

 

[IDXMonster]

I think this is a great post detectors today have so many more functions than older generations easy to get lost .Kind of like algebra miss 3 or 4 classes and it's like what . sube

You just had to bring me back to my traumatic high school days didn’t you? It was more like miss 3 or 4 MINUTES and I was like…what?