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I have to disagree with your analysis. Even during price drops I'm able to buy all the silver and gold I want at price levels that are appropriate for the current market. There are plenty of "charlatans" out there but there are also reputable dealers. I do all my buying at coin shows. A few years ago when silver was a lot lower than it is now, I was buying junk 90% silver coins at 10 times face value, now at current levels it's around twenty times face value. At current levels I'm not a buyer.
That was not my experience here. All the local shops near me were a rip. So I looked at 2 of the big national reputable wholesalers and it was the same. The premiums were a joke. It was all " out of stock".
 
Here's what I see if it crashes down say 30%....It will be very difficult to BUY when it does. The sellers will be stuck holding at the higher inflated price. Like when I tried buying silver not all that long ago when it was around $13oz. I couldn't buy it anywhere for less than $18oz. Total scam.
I sold all mine over a period of time at a friends auction house. Had a couple young buyers trying to fill coin books and get silver rounds. I about broke even and quit messing with silver. I did get scared once when I bought a big batch of silverware and shipped it to the refiner. Went missing for a day. Dang USPS delivered it to the wrong address. Luckily it wasn't stolen.
 
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Here's what I see if it crashes down say 30%....It will be very difficult to BUY when it does. The sellers will be stuck holding at the higher inflated price. Like when I tried buying silver not all that long ago when it was around $13oz. I couldn't buy it anywhere for less than $18oz. Total scam.
Buy a ETF and sell later then buy silver sube
 
That was not my experience here. All the local shops near me were a rip. So I looked at 2 of the big national reputable wholesalers and it was the same. The premiums were a joke. It was all " out of stock".
The "big guys" like Apmex, JM Bullion, and others are way overpriced if you buy from them online. I don't know about their buy prices because I never sell to them either, but I would guess they're giving people a hosing on both ends. Whether it's small coin shops or flea marketeers, they are basically acting as a "middle man" and to Hell with that. When I buy silver and/or gold I buy from two different people I've dealt with for the last 20 years or so, who specialize in precious metals and NEVER anyone else.
 
I still haven't found a PM buyer in my city that isn't a total rip off. They at best buy 10% below spot. That's pretty outrageous considering it's a liquid asset they're just handing off to a refiner.
 
I still haven't found a PM buyer in my city that isn't a total rip off. They at best buy 10% below spot. That's pretty outrageous considering it's a liquid asset they're just handing off to a refiner.
Depends on how much you have. If I got 2 oz and can get 90% cash spot , that is good. You have to have the mentality like they need to make a few bucks too.
 
Depends on how much you have. If I got 2 oz and can get 90% cash spot , that is good. You have to have the mentality like they need to make a few bucks too.
We have a huge volume trading hands here because of the goldfields, and yet the next closest major city has dealers paying 97% of spot on even a few grams. If I buy a plane ticket fly there for the day I'd still come out way ahead
 
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We have a huge volume trading hands here because of the goldfields, and yet the next closest major city has dealers paying 97% of spot on even a few grams. If I buy a plane ticket fly there for the day I'd still come out way ahead
Haven't checked my buyer in a bit. But they were paying 97%. But they have to sell it the same day usually so they don't lose their back side. I'm not sure they'd risk it right now? If I had more I'd cash some in and see. But I wore out a vehicle driving everywhere and need some back up when I have to buy a new vehicle. Not time to buy a vehicle right now either. They jack the price up around tax time.
 
Depends on how much you have. If I got 2 oz and can get 90% cash spot , that is good. You have to have the mentality like they need to make a few bucks too.
Absolutely agree that PM dealers, like anyone else need to make a profit to stay in business. These dealers have a mountain of regulations to deal with from the "government" and they don't always just rush off with what they bought to a refinery.
They try to sell it retail and run the risk of having the inventory sit around while the spot price is in a decline. The shops and even the small "coin show" dealers have overhead that John Q. Public doesn't always seem to understand. Also....One dollar in face of 90% silver only contains around .715 of an ounce of silver. If you can get .715 times the spot for your 90% it's a fair price. Pure silver coins like Eagles and Maple Leafs etc...you will sometimes get more than spot.
 
I figure they would run their best deals trying to get that tax refund money instead of the competition. :hmmm:
Was doing some repairs on my suv. Got 267,000 miles on it. Went and did some tire kicking. Almost fell out when I saw the pricing:shock:. Salesman told me it wasn't a good time to look. Replaced a whole lot of parts for less than a car payment myself.
 
Was doing some repairs on my suv. Got 267,000 miles on it. Went and did some tire kicking. Almost fell out when I saw the pricing:shock:. Salesman told me it wasn't a good time to look. Replaced a whole lot of parts for less than a car payment myself.
Just put a new block in it , you know how young man , just buy a lift :shrug: After the dilemma I just went through , you don't want to buy a new vehicle now :madmad:
 
Just put a new block in it , you know how young man , just buy a lift :shrug: After the dilemma I just went through , you don't want to buy a new vehicle now :madmad:
You crashed your new ride ? Factory defects ? Let's hear it....
 
Sometimes it's better to cut your losses. We had a 2013 Chev Equinox we bought new. It was constantly developing new problems, costing more money so one day I said to the wife no more, it's outta here. I know interest rates are high but like they say, you can't take it with you. And the wife is happy with here new ride.

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Got 267,000 miles on it. Went and did some tire kicking. Almost fell out when I saw the pricing:shock:. Salesman told me it wasn't a good time to look.
Man, you got your moneys worth out of that suv! Not sure about that salesman. A lot of youtube car buying experts are saying now is a good time to buy, especially from Dodge or Jeep. They are in trouble with too many unsold vehicles. I just got my Mustang 3/20. Stickered for $43,575. Got it for $37,999 without haggling. That's $5,575 off the sticker without requiring using their financing (I paid cash).
 
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Sometimes it's better to cut your losses. We had a 2013 Chev Equinox we bought new. It was constantly developing new problems, costing more money so one day I said to the wife no more, it's outta here. I know interest rates are high but like they say, you can't take it with you. And the wife is happy with here new ride.

Steve
We have a 2014 Equinox, just hit 200k mileage. Other than keeping an eye on the oil, it’s still chugging along with a couple minor regular maintenance issues from time to time. My wife’s Ford Escape otoh, just had a brand new engine installed at 72K, started with a fuel pump problem and over one month in two different shops, $9k later (thank goodness we bought the extra warranty).
 
I bought my first car, a used 1957 Chevy, in 1964 and since then I've bought a lot of cars. In that time, I've only had two "lemons", a 1968 Plymouth Road Runner and later a 1985 Chevy 4 wheel drive vehicle (can't remember the name). I traded both of them in after only a year of use because they were constantly having to be brought in for work. Fortunately all the problems came before the warranties expired. The Plymouth dealer I bought the Road Runner from was putting up a wall of BS whenever I brought the Road Runner in and I vowed I'd never buy another Chrysler car EVER and I haven't. All the other vehicles I've had or still have, have given me a lot of mileage and dependability. My current 2017 Chevy Cruze has 186,000 miles on it and is still running great. I'll probably trade it next year sometime if it lasts that long.
 
Bigger dealers buy a future to short all they buy this way they don't loose holding the metal . If metal goes up they offset the lose with the gains from the metal they bought . If the metal goes down they offset the lose from the gain on the short . sube
 
Man, you got your moneys worth out of that suv! Not sure about that salesman. A lot of youtube car buying experts are saying now is a good time to buy, especially from Dodge or Jeep. They are in trouble with too many unsold vehicles. I just got my Mustang 3/20. Stickered for $43,575. Got it for $37,999 without haggling. That's $5,575 off the sticker without requiring using their financing (I paid cash).
Look out for the 3.6liter v6 in chrysler and jeep products! It's a lemon. Rocker arm/cam trouble, blown headgaskets. I just replaced one with a cracked valve also!
 
Look out for the 3.6liter v6 in chrysler and jeep products! It's a lemon. Rocker arm/cam trouble, blown headgaskets. I just replaced one with a cracked valve also!
I had a '66 Jeep Gladiator small window that made it a half a million miles. My friends New Jeep gladiator has mechanics quitting.
 
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