Amen to that, testing is learning.
Deus 2 might just be the new bomb
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Amen to that, testing is learning.
Considering just the price.......Deus 2 and CTX 3030 or Etrac makes more sense. Unfortunately for the CTX 3030 and Etrac owners here, I think it would be apples to oranges performance wise on testing of a wide conductivity range of targets at various depths which included iron masking and speed tests..
Deus 2 would not be here without the release of the Equinox. They are two very similar performing detectors apart from Deus 2's advertised waterproof/diving specs, higher frequency Beach Sensitive mode (than Equinox) faster recovery speed and better iron filtering. They run at similar frequencies and are after the same wide target conductivity spread and are fighting for the pinnacle of the all terrain, all ground conditions and all targets market.
Looking at it that way, the Equinox (especially the 600) and the Legend if it performs as advertised, are a real bargain compared to Deus 2.
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See that bolded part?
I think you are incorrect.
I have heard some thing that seems Deus 2 was being hatched and was quite far along when Equinox was released. At that time Deus 2 may have already been outperforming Equinox(in salt water environment) ....not making this up.
The owner at Xp may one day tell us the timeline behind Deus 2.
One other thing.
I have heard from reliable source.
Deus 2 coil size for coil size with black sand on (which is default setting) will match or beat all currently released VLF models. You turn black sand off Deus 2 far exceeds all currently released VLF detectors for depth in salt water environment. I have actually been working with calabash to send message to Xp to do update of Deus 2 to change to black sand OFF being default when selecting beach programs.
The phrase used above “far exceeds”. There was actual depth in inches stated. I won’t relay this info. When more folks get Deus 2 let’s see what they discover.
It should also be pointed out.
No one at Xp to my knowledge has bragged up Deus 2 whatsoever. Very low key debut by owner. Even Mr Blackwell in UK has not bragged up the unit. He talked about and does videos to help folks with Deus 2.
So what has happened really?
Xp never had a multi frequency until now.
Xp never had waterproof detector until now.
Xp never really had a salt water capable detector until now.
And then Deus 2 is dropped.
Common sense tells me folks would be little suspicious on how Xp could pull off what they did.
Also, and I don’t claim to know interworkings of Deus 2.
But I have high suspicion Xp made Deus 2 multi freq unlike any multi freq made before. What exactly. I think Deus 2 is a multi multi freq detector. Meaning when one changes modes the transmits freq changes. I think Minelab has used 2 transmit freq (fixed)in past with bbs, fbs, Multi IQ. And these freqs don’t Change when one changed modes with their detectors. And then Minelab uses electronics to make detector perform the way it does.
Xp even if using different transmit freqs likely are also using electronics as well to make detector behave like it does when changing freq.
It should be pointed out.
Bbs strength was high conductors.
Fbs/fbs 2 strength was high conductor.
Multi IQ strength was lower conductors.
So what about Deus 2??
It may be possible it is equally strong with both lower and high conductive targets. Granted though different modes would have to be selected and multiple hunts to get this equally strong performance on higher and lower conductors.
Again with time with more folks receiving units we’ll know.
It might be Deus 2 is the most versatile VLF out there.
We’ll know soon enough.
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CarsonChris
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I have a fresh water beach at Lake Tahoe where the black sand overpowers the Nox. I hope the D2 can hunt this beach because it has a black sand setting. I'm sure it's full of goodies since the VLF's can't hunt there. I can place coins on the surface and get no response from the Nox.
woodbutcher
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Why compare a relic machine to a coin machine?. What would be the benefit?
Not to push the issue, but the deus 2 should be compared to other field/relic machines,not machines like the etrac and 3030 that aren't used in fields for relics.
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woodbutcher
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I believe you,but it's not the case here,nothing I've ever seen posted leads me to believe the etrac or 3030 was ever bought for relics. ..And I'll bet it's been along time since they've been used there too . So my only point was, why even compare the Deus 2 to a etrac or 3030?
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Yeah i think jmaclen is right and tnss is wrong regarding the deus being unique about using different freqs in different modes the equinox and apex both do that in ms the apex tops out well under 20 and in mf over 20 ,noxes do the same thing
longbow62
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Calabash has made it clear in the past in his opinion the best two relic machines were the Equinox 800 and Deus I with a high frequency coil attached. It would only make sense that if he decides to do head to heads in the field he would use the Equinox when using multi-frequency. He missed a perfect chance to do so in the video he made.
The site was according to him was heavily hunted with the Deus I to the point that any found targets with the Deus II proved it was doing something the Deus I could not. As in unmasking targets the Deus I could not. He and his partner found several buttons and a nice Large Cent. Had he swung the Equinox over all those targets and the Equinox failed to detect even some them a strong case could have been made the Deus II was the real deal and superior to the Equinox in that heavy iron situation.
Test garden comparisons between detectors are just that. Yes they can prove that one machine is deeper, faster, or has a better I.D. in a controlled environment. I think he really missed a great opportunity to compare the Deus II against the Equinox with his normal relic settings used for that machine in a real world detecting situation. That's what I need to see to be convinced that one is superior than the other.
The site was according to him was heavily hunted with the Deus I to the point that any found targets with the Deus II proved it was doing something the Deus I could not. As in unmasking targets the Deus I could not. He and his partner found several buttons and a nice Large Cent. Had he swung the Equinox over all those targets and the Equinox failed to detect even some them a strong case could have been made the Deus II was the real deal and superior to the Equinox in that heavy iron situation.
Test garden comparisons between detectors are just that. Yes they can prove that one machine is deeper, faster, or has a better I.D. in a controlled environment. I think he really missed a great opportunity to compare the Deus II against the Equinox with his normal relic settings used for that machine in a real world detecting situation. That's what I need to see to be convinced that one is superior than the other.
Minelab talks about frequency weighting between the modes on Eqx (Multi IQ).
They don’t talk about different freqs.
Xp talks about max freq used in different modes of Deus 2. Xp though doesn’t tell us the minimum freq used in each mode.
Big difference.
Also part of the reason Eqx (by Minelab’s own admission) is weaker on high conductors vs fbs/fbs2 models. Because a higher freq is transmitted on Eqx.
Multi IQ strength is lower conductors not higher comductors. Unlike fbs/fbs2.
But higher freq used by Eqx allows for deeper performance in higher mineralized ground even on higher conductors.
Guess what I am saying is Xp may have made Deus 2 and it can do what both fbs and Multi IQ can do plus more.
Especially since neither fbs or multi IQ units have salt balance option or black sand.
I haven’t seen or heard about any patents associated with Deus 2.
This may be intentional.
A patent would reveal info.
So maybe Xp thought hey, let other manufacturers try to figure Deus 2 ops out on their own.
longbow62
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Have you ever noticed in actual field conditions the Etrac was deeper on copper or silver than the Equinox? I have not, and if anything would give the nod to the Equinox based on one site where the soil was sand and the Equinox appeared deeper. Although from my experience in most places they are practically equal in the depth department.
Yes I have seen Etrac give stronger signal vs Eqx. And better ID telling me higher conductor was down there. This was not in overly mineralized ground.
How much better? I ask because I'm currently trying to decide b/w the E-Trac and Equinox.
Big difference, where?????
Anyone that has done any gold prospecting with an Equinox knows which modes are using 40 kHz and which ones are using around 20 kHz for the highest frequency. All of the modes except for maybe the Gold modes are also using a low frequency between 4 and 10 kHz. Anyone that has found 8" or deeper high conductors knows this too. It's obvious. The whole purpose of the Equinox and the Deus is to make VLF detectors that can do it all in any ground conditions.
So the Equinox is not just using 2 frequencies for instance 5 and 40 kHZ with different amounts to create lower and higher frequency weighing in every mode by using different processing.......nope.
The Equinox DOES have salt and black sand adjustments in its Beach modes. They are done automatically and the user has no control over them.
Equinox is an all purpose detector. So is the Deus 2 and the Nokta Makro Legend.
The Etrac is not. It is the very best at one thing.
Oh, I meant in terms of VDI and sounds.
I'm a believer that the E-Trac can give more accurate VDIs and tones at depth of silver coins in mild to moderate soils when compared to the Equinox. But if the E-Trac is ringing up a silver dime with a high tone and 11:48 (Fe:Co) signal, but the Equinox rings up the same coin with say...a 23 mid-high tone, the latter is still a "dig me" signal. Perhaps the E-Trac's VDI is more accurate, but if both VDIs tell me to dig, it's a moot point.
As for how they differ in highly mineralized soils, they both suffer from some degredation of VDI accuracy. But the E-Trac's loss in accuracy is more pronounced compared to the Equinox (at least in my test garden, where a clad dime comes up with a 30-35% lower VDI on the E-trac and a 20-25% lower VDI on the Equinox in Multi mode).
I believe at least one person has checked Equinox transmit freqs comparing detect modes. Here’s link.
https://www.detectorprospector.com/...ise-park-1-is-single-frequency/#comment-91505
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Ask that question over on Detector Prospector and see what happens.
I just put link as an edit in post that is 2 post above this one.
Related info Minelab Explorer 2 video by Mr Blackwell of UK.
https://youtu.be/xcChyUlgPIs
