Curse of Oak Island - Season 8

[Tom_in_CA]

The treasure for those guys is the money they make per episode. Most of those type shows pay $35,000 per show, per main character. If something had been found there you would have heard it thru the news by now.

Ah, but the "treasure-faithful" have that base covered too. Don't you know the rejoinder for this ? The fact of a treasure not being found NOW, simply means : "Aha ! they must have found it on past digs decades ago, or back in the 1800s, etc.... But the lucky finders kept mum, and retired to a life of luxury somewhere".

See ? At NO POINT is, or was, there not certainly a "treasure". It was most certainly there. Any any factoid (endless dry holes, etc....) all have explanations, that the faithful can whittle away at your evidence with. Same for my backyard : Any evidence that you can present to me for lack-of-treasure in my backyard, so too can I explain it away with vast conspiracies, not deep enough, etc....

Durned those treasure seekers that dug it up in the past, and simply kept mum, eh ?

 

[georgeinsc]

I am not a real fan of so called "Reality Shows" Scripted to the max to keep people watching. American Pickers, Storage Wars, Diggers and others are prime examples.

The Shows are cheap to make and as long as they can sucker people into watching are very profitable.

I made a deal with a gentleman that when they found the "Treasure" that i would drive the 500 miles to buy him lunch.

I am oh so worried about having to drive that far NOT!!!!!!!! They will keep making the shows as long as they can keep people hooked. then the show will quietly disappear.

And the sooner the better.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

... I made a deal with a gentleman that when they found the "Treasure" that i would drive the 500 miles to buy him lunch.....

What's to stop your gentlemen friend from claiming that lunch, by merely saying it must have already been found, but the finders kept mum. Thus, there was most certainly a treasure there. And thus, most certainly you owe him lunch. Any lack of evidence on his part is only further proof of the conspiracy. And he can try to put the burden of proof on you that this didn't happen, eh ?

Believe it or not, those that muse this actually even point to "mysterious wealth" that some of the past characters, in the story, had in their latter years of life. As evidence that ... hmmm, they must have found something ?

( To which I say "hog-wash" . Because if you took 100 people, and compared their wealth at age 25, to their wealth at age 55, well DUH ! Of course the odds are, that they're more affluent. That's just normal demographic changes with age across any random sampling of people. Doh ! )

 

[BennyV]

Rocks? In a circle? Could it be a Templar fire pit? Tune in next week to see if Rick, Marty, and the rest of the oak island team can find an answer.

 

[EmuDetector]

I know I will never see them find treasure on the show. But I do enjoy the history and dig stuff, even if it's staged. But I would definitely say that if I did not have my DVR, I would not be watching the show. The constant recaps and flash backs are so dam annoying I skip it all.

 

[itsaring!]

That gold plated jewelry they said was gold was a big laugh for beach hunters. I drop more gold out of my floorboard getting out at the beach.

 

[georgeinsc]

Tom if i do not see it found then it has not been found. Claims and truth are two different items
I am not easily persuaded. And since there is nothing there to be found i rest my case.

Its a BS show to make a lot of money. They know that there is nothing there and they are lying to collect thed dollars.

What's to stop your gentlemen friend from claiming that lunch, by merely saying it must have already been found, but the finders kept mum. Thus, there was most certainly a treasure there. And thus, most certainly you owe him lunch. Any lack of evidence on his part is only further proof of the conspiracy. And he can try to put the burden of proof on you that this didn't happen, eh ?

Believe it or not, those that muse this actually even point to "mysterious wealth" that some of the past characters, in the story, had in their latter years of life. As evidence that ... hmmm, they must have found something ?

( To which I say "hog-wash" . Because if you took 100 people, and compared their wealth at age 25, to their wealth at age 55, well DUH ! Of course the odds are, that they're more affluent. That's just normal demographic changes with age across any random sampling of people. Doh ! )

 

[bunkeru2k]

I have no doubts at all that a small amount of pirated "treasure" had been taken to the island and hidden away. I also have no doubts that most if it was found/retrieved looong ago. I would not expect them to find anything at all digging deep in that place, but I do thoroughly enjoy the history they have uncovered while they piece together things from hundreds of years ago. They would be much better served doing more surface area searches for the things that were dropped along the way if they want to find anything of any value.

All that being said, I think everyone can agree to despise the narrator! The metal detecting aspect on the show is what made me actually pull the trigger and decide to actually try detecting for myself. That is the real treasure for me.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I have no doubts at all that a small amount of pirated "treasure" had been taken to the island and hidden away. .....

Really ? How so ? All the salacious details of the story that evolved (telephone game) over the years ?

... I also have no doubts that most if it was found/retrieved looong ago....

Yup. Exactly as I spelled out above. This explains why nothing is found in recent decades or century : "Gee, it was already found. But rest assured there was a treasure there". Right ?

 

[bunkeru2k]

Really ? How so ? All the salacious details of the story that evolved (telephone game) over the years ?

No, none of that "Templar buried deep" stuff. Having watched every single episode (because my wife loves watching it and I like watching them uncover the historical aspects), there have been smaller moments that were not about that crazy 150 foot down stuff that I DO believe.

There has been enough written history and logs and all that to believe that there was some activity there with some of the less than law-abiding folks during the 1700s. They do not seem to really concentrate on those small scale "treasures" very often. In at least one case, there was a family that had pieces of that passed down for generations.

You can chalk me up to another who would very much believe that anything that had not been recovered or taken with them when they were done hiding there had been found by Samuel Ball. If it were me and I wanted to find anything there, I would be looking in the areas where they would have offloaded anything from a boat or inland where the dwellings are at....because anything they will find there would be dropped items. Someone on here might even say "location, location, location!"

 

[Tom_in_CA]

..... There has been enough written history and logs and all that to believe that there was some activity there with some of the less than law-abiding folks during the 1700s. ...

Yes, ok. But I would contend that you can take lots of areas in the USA, that had exploration and contact @ such times (1600s, 1700s, etc...) , and likewise "fill-in-the-gaps" with an equal amount of conjectures, stories drawn from histories of past individuals, etc... Like I say, I could spin a similar story, in my backyard (I'm in a historic area) as well.

Don't forget, no treasure story ever started with "once upon a time". Instead they ALWAYS have real names, dates, places, etc.... And then the treasure is spun around that. Therefore it's really hard not to believe. After all , so & so really existed. Such & such is really a place. And thus & so really happened on this date in 1790. So therefore notice that 90 to 99% of all treasure stories are true ! (Lost Dutchman, Pearl ship, etc...). But the devil is in the details : Because if 10% or 1% (the whether or not a treasure exists) is false, then what does the other 90% matter ?

All you have to do , to make any good treasure story, is get some faded newspaper clippings, some genealogies and dates, a map with some place names, toss out some conjectures, claims, and a cool story , and then , presto: You can make a indisputable treasure story for anywhere !

 

[bunkeru2k]

Absolutely! The Oak Island story just happens to have been around for 200 years and is famous enough for people to actually watch a reality show searching for it. The big issue there is that I don't think they could base a TV show off of some metal detectorists going after what is REALLY going to be there around broken rock house foundations.

What does drive me insane is their conjecture on everything. Just because a coin was made in 1600, it does NOT mean it was dropped there then. If they believe things were brought to that island, what makes them think that it all was not brought at once in say 1780? Their entire premise is based off that and it would make much more sense that people bringing old stuff there that they stole may have dropped it then and not the day after that coin was made. That is infuriating.

 

[Muskrat]

Just make it into a drinking game. You gotta take a drink each time they say "what if...?" Or "is it possible that...?". Bet it works well with Ancient Aliens too.

I take no responsibility for your alcohol poisoning.

 

[Pete e]

Leaving the "treasure" aspect for a minute, I would love to know the business model for the show...

Some of the engineering works are truly massive and must hundreds of thousands of dollars...Do the engineering company's do it for a discount because they are on TV? Does the TV Production Company pay for some or all of it?

Although the TV series is obviously popular, I can't see it generates enough to cover all that engineering work?

 

[KenG]

What a weird detector Drayton has this year. I've never seen anything like that. The technology looks pretty cool and I'm sure it has a cool price tag as well.

I have one comment about last night's show. As much money as they have spent, don't you think they could afford a good digging shovel.

Ken

 

[tinsmith]

Free bird T said it. 100%. But I think I've grown to like Drayton. He's a pretty cool Brit. I'm 60% UK according to my genetic report. I suppose I can say England is my " mother country". So can I be called an English American?

 

[EmuDetector]

Leaving the "treasure" aspect for a minute, I would love to know the business model for the show...

Some of the engineering works are truly massive and must hundreds of thousands of dollars...Do the engineering company's do it for a discount because they are on TV? Does the TV Production Company pay for some or all of it?

Although the TV series is obviously popular, I can't see it generates enough to cover all that engineering work?

They've mentioned the pricetag of the holes they were punching early on costing millions for several they did. There's also been mention of several "business partners" who have never been shown on the show investing in them. I'm sure there's some kind of discount thrown their way too by everyone involved, since they constantly mention their names for advertising.

 

[georgeinsc]

Since it is a "reality" show they have to "Find" things to keep people interested. Did they actually fond something or did they fake that also. In my opinion they are faking everything. The huge payback will make liars of some good people

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Since it is a "reality" show they have to "Find" things to keep people interested. Did they actually fond something or did they fake that also. In my opinion they are faking everything. The huge payback will make liars of some good people

They found a gold gilt button once and were jumping up and down stating that they had finally found gold! What little credibility they had went out the window with that episode.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

They found a gold gilt button once and were jumping up and down stating that they had finally found gold!.....

Really ? A gold (colored) gilt button was supposed to lend credence to a "treasure" ? If so, then a bunch of us on this forum must have "wild dreamed treasures" right somewhere near us all too ! Because we've all found gilt buttons (if you're a relicky site hunter). Heck, I've got 100's of them.

But durnit, I must be doing something wrong. Because I've haven't found the vault full of pirate gold yet that those buttons point to