The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

did not find or remove all of the gold and silver and that some was left behind
Interesting because the Plaintiff testified in his initial interview with the FBI investigators that he feared the DCNR would excavate the site without him so he "provided the DCNR officials with a false location for the gold within the site" and this was where some trail cam images captured what he believed to be, a DCNR backhoe that was said to have been operating and presumably digging for gold.

"Presumably digging for gold." This is a big stretch because we know the DCNR was fully aware of the Plaintiff's ongoing activity at the site and were concerned with the ground water and trail conditions. The DCNR addressed this in communications with the Plaintiff and had accused the plaintiff of photographing and harassing DCNR employees and others using the trail who were just going about their duties, which were in reality "presumably maintaining the trail and addressing ground water issues".

Plaintiff goes on to say the trail cam images show the machine was situated on top of the cave where the supposed gold was located and thus by his later examination caused the cave to collapse. Even if there were any cave or anything in said cave, by his own admission, he gave a false location of where the supposed, gold would be and his supposed, real location for the gold was collapsed, hence nothing could have been recovered.
 
Further complicating matters for the Plaintiff's honesty and trustworthiness are the numerous statements he has made regarding the collapse of the "supposed cave" when the road was constructed in 1969 when the bulldozer fell in the void. Which is it? Which machine destroyed the hopes and dreams of gold recovery?
 
The history of lies is a huge problem for this group ....as soon as someone with just a little common sense starts reading their past comments their credibility is shot.

The fact the whole hunt was based off a psychic being paid for a prefomance is also a huge blow.....the story FK told for years was someone walked into the furniture store and gave him a map because he knew the true psychic story would not be recieved very well.He let his guard down and the truth finally got out.

His civil war expert that verified his artifacts was actualy a guy who worked the counter at a local gun store whos name we do not know......the expert who said bones were human was a local coroner.

I always ment to look into the coroners qualifications from that time but never did .....but I do know you dont need a medical background of any type to be elected coroner for that location.If you win election all you have to do is take a class and learn how to be able to declare someone deceased.Coroners are like this in alot of rural areas.My coroner is a retired township police officer.

Lies along with smoke and mirrors is all you get from Finders Keepers.

Every spring they used to hit the forums(now I guess they are stuck on facebook,where they can completely control the comments) with a summer scheduled with planed excavations,reveals and tv shows.I dont know of them ever putting the tip of a shovel in the ground anywhere except the viking ship in NS....and they got in trouble for that.This has been going on for 10+ years.....as winter sets in all they will have delivered are more broken promises....with some more lies mixed in to explain their inaction.
 
Personally, I love a good treasure legend, especially those that captures people's imagination enough that people actually get off their butts and go out and look for the alleged treasure.

But the story must have a degree of possibility, and this particular story falls at that very first hurdle when it turns out the original location was provided by a so called psychic/medium...

I have no doubt PT Barnum would have been most proud to have spun a story like this!
 
Personally, I love a good treasure legend, especially those that captures people's imagination enough that people actually get off their butts and go out and look for the alleged treasure.

But the story must have a degree of possibility, and this particular story falls at that very first hurdle when it turns out the original location was provided by a so called psychic/medium...

I have no doubt PT Barnum would have been most proud to have spun a story like this!
Not only a psychic, but the very story upon which the psychic took a reading off of to enter his trance like state, "Lost Gold Ingot Treasure", didn't originate from the Harrisburg Military Archives as Plaintiff falsely claims, nor was it sent to the archives by the descendants of Pinkerton detectives as Plaintiff falsely claimed, but rather it originated from a book of short stories from the 1960's which was photocopied from the short story book and sent to the archives in 1983 by an outside party.

* To be clear, the psychic took a reading off a later version of the story, “Pennsylvania’s Lost Gold Ingots", by Francis X. Sculley, as several fiction writers in the 1970's took the original story, "Lost Gold Ingot Treasure" and added their own embellishments to it, but all are materially identical to the original story. See post #314 for the full breakdown on the legends origin.
 
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.... it originated from ....

This is a classic lesson in human psychology. If one person writes a creative tale of sheer speculation, you can be CERTAIN that the next person picks that up as if it's just a given fact.

I have seen this first-hand in my area : An author of children's stories wrote a book back in the 1970s, with local pirate lore tales. To be sold in local tourist book stores and gift shops. And he hinged each story off of various local true happenings, yet spun them to have a treasure attached. So that, yes, they'd have a salacious newspaper clipping attached, but the rest was mere speculation and children's-story-fun.

The odd thing was, that a decade or two later, local people (yes adults !) began to think that the stories (at least one of them) was true ! And people actually began to search for it. And cite it back and forth to each other as if it were true. It involved a supposed Spanish suit of armor found in a cave on the coast south of Monterey / Big Sur , in CA.

And no matter how much you try to correct the people with the facts, they point to some 1930s newspaper headline, and point to the book, and assume "it must be true". Yet all it was , was conjecture, imagination, and "a story". But the moment one person passes the story to another, it is now beyond question.
 
About 9 weeks ago, Plaintiff posted that their "TV Series" was for sale and via Plaintiff's post just yesterday, it appears no network was interested in it.

Also note there is a dishonest statement in his post from yesterday, he states "...until we dig up some more gold". Say what?! More gold?! Plaintiff has never dug up any gold from any of his alleged treasure sites that I am aware of.

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...., he states "...until we dig up some more gold". Say what?! More gold?!

You have to understand their usage of the word "found" :


For these fabulous treasures, they deem it to have been "found" (past tense) as long as you've narrowed it down to a "certain cave" or "certain swamp" or "certain valley", etc.... Rest assured they have "found" (past tense) a fabulous treasure.


Now it's only a matter of overcoming govt. red -tape . Or overcoming "theft" in this case. Or a matter of getting heavy equipment to dig to insane depths or drain the swamp. But rest assured, they have "found" (past tense) a treasure. You don't even need to see a red cent of it. It still qualifies as "found".

You need to get an updated dictionary . Tsk tsk. :roll:
 
You have to understand their usage of the word "found" :


For these fabulous treasures, they deem it to have been "found" (past tense) as long as you've narrowed it down to a "certain cave" or "certain swamp" or "certain valley", etc.... Rest assured they have "found" (past tense) a fabulous treasure.

He didn't say found in this post, he said "dig up some more gold" To dig up "more", means you've already dug some up. which he hasn't, making this another false statement of Plaintiffs. Par for the course with Plaintiff...
 
Further complicating matters for the Plaintiff's honesty and trustworthiness are the numerous statements he has made regarding the collapse of the "supposed cave" when the road was constructed in 1969 when the bulldozer fell in the void. Which is it? Which machine destroyed the hopes and dreams of gold recovery?
I'm glad you brought up this claim of his again about a road being built over the site in 1969.

As it turns out, that is a knowingly false statement being made by Plaintiff. It wasn't always that way though, let me explain:

1. In this post back in 2018 (attachment 1), you'll see Plaintiff made the same claim, that a road was built over the site back in 1969 and the dozer caved it in. Fair enough, when he posted this, it may well have been true as far as he knew, meaning someone, maybe a local told him that story, so it's possible it wasn't a lie when he first claimed it.

2. However, in the now deleted threads over on the other forum from 2022, I pointed out to Plaintiff that the road could not have been built in 1969 as he claims and I even posted an aerial photo from 1941 (see attachment 2), along with its source info, which clearly shows the road was there even as far back as 1941! I also re-posted my evidence on this thread after the original was deleted over on the other forum, see post #188.

3. However, just 9 weeks ago, Plaintiff, knowing full well that the story of the road being built over the site in 1969 and the dozer falling in while making it, couldn't be true, as he was provided with undeniable proof the road existed as far back as 1941, went ahead and told the story again on his facebook page! (see attachment 3)

What started out as possibly just an innocent mistake my plaintiff, morphed into an outright knowingly dishonest statement by Plaintiff. Plaintiff has known for over a year now that the road wasn't built in 1969 or 1968, yet he continues to post that story that it was!

Attachment 1: Plaintiffs statement about a road being built over the site back in 1969:
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Attachment 2: Aerial photo of the site from 1941 which clearly shows the road was there already:
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Attachment 3: Statement of Plaintiffs from just 9 weeks ago, where he knowingly posts false information:
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Attachment 4: This is a lidar image of the road, showing that it wasn't a case where the road was rerouted or rebuilt higher or lower up the hill, you can see that it has always followed the same path since it was created before 1941:
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Just a thought here........If your having trouble selling your tv show.Maybe not telling all isnt the right strategy to have.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the producers office after they are pitched the idea of a treasure hunting show where.

.....you cant dig because it is state property.
.....the whole thing started by a psychic blindly pointing at a map
.....the area was already dug up by the FBI
.....your main cast is going to be as dull as a butterknife
.... the many claims of finds made by this group thru the years are simply unbelievable.

Seinfield was great and was about "NOTHING"....but I don't see this premise working for a reality based show.
 
Just a thought here........If your having trouble selling your tv show.Maybe not telling all isnt the right strategy to have.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the producers office after they are pitched the idea of a treasure hunting show where.

.....you cant dig because it is state property.
.....the whole thing started by a psychic blindly pointing at a map
.....the area was already dug up by the FBI
.....your main cast is going to be as dull as a butterknife
.... the many claims of finds made by this group thru the years are simply unbelievable.

Seinfield was great and was about "NOTHING"....but I don't see this premise working for a reality based show.

I like to think that in some small way this thread has played a role in him not getting a major network TV series out of it (I don't doubt he'll eventually get some b-grade show out of it or youtube show).

One can't do any research of his claims without this thread popping up in your search query's, so I like to think all of us exposing the depth's he's sunk to with his dishonesty has made shows shy away from Plaintiff. The irony, in the end it was his own ego that sunk him.
 
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One can't do any research of his claims without this thread popping up in your search query's

Very true. Kudos to FMDF and it's moderators for allowing the free flow of discussion here and GoDeep's relentless pursuit of the evidence-based truth. One would be hard pressed to find a better discussion of the evidence and facts that contradict so much of the Plaintiff's unabashed claims. If there is anything lacking here, it is the absence of any vigorous debate or argument of the facts. It is just too bad that the Plaintiff or anyone else in support of his claims have not provided any thought-provoking posts to refute the record.

I have not seen any yet, but perhaps there may be direct references to this thread as a reference source in fact-checking the Plaintiff's claims. The press will have a great resource here when it begins to write their follow-up articles at the conclusion of these proceedings.

I believe a decision is imminent as to whether or not there is any need for further court proceedings. I have stated before that I believe the Plaintiff has already prevailed in this case simply by hiring a great counsel who has doggedly pursued the release of sub-files and imagery that while interesting at face value, nevertheless, offer no more credibility to the Plaintiff's claims or disprove the FBI's claims that nothing was found. It is already a win for the Plaintiff but unfortunately in this case, the victory is bitter-sweet.

While successful at prodding the DOJ to release even more information, there has been no proof of a cover-up. The release of information was slowed by the complexity and vastness of the system and information redactions were made in accordance with standard protocol for protecting individuals and operational procedures. Combine these factors with the sheer number of litigants requesting records release and you begin to understand that that while at-first seemingly incomplete or slow file release is totally benign and very typical of the system.

I would hope that when the judge finally offers an opinion on this case, he might opine on the credibility of the Plaintiff and their largely, baseless claims of a coverup and clandestine "night dig operation". I would hope he would admonish the Plaintiff and expound upon the responsibility and differences between having "proof" and just verbalizing unsubstantiated claims in public forums in hopes of financial gain from such slander. Lastly, I would hope that an opinion including content as I have described above would be reported by the news networks, associated press and magazines just as broadly and as a follow-up to and linked to all of their prior stories "hyping" those baseless claims of the Plaintiff.
 
. If there is anything lacking here, it is the absence of any vigorous debate or argument of the facts. It is just too bad that the Plaintiff or anyone else in support of his claims have not provided any thought-provoking posts to refute the record.
Excellent post ucnegold. You always know how to state it so eloquently!

Regarding vigorous debate of the facts, do you remember when Plaintiff left the safety of his thread and came into my thread and I welcomed him but reminded him that this thread discusses actual facts and he'll be expected to answer questions? Within a few posts it turned south on him (new evidence was rapidly emerging that really painted a damning picture of his claims) and he retreated back to his thread and started hurling unfounded accusations, the end result of which was both threads being deleted in their entirety.
 
Excellent post ucnegold. You always know how to state it so eloquently!

Regarding vigorous debate of the facts, do you remember when Plaintiff left the safety of his thread and came into my thread and I welcomed him but reminded him that this thread discusses actual facts and he'll be expected to answer questions? Within a few posts it turned south on him (new evidence was rapidly emerging that really painted a damning picture of his claims) and he retreated back to his thread and started hurling unfounded accusations, the end result of which was both threads being deleted in their entirety.
You are speaking of the thread on the other site, correct? TNet became a support mechanism for parada’s lies. It seems that due to the fact that he advertised tnet on his website, that the mods at tnet protected his lies, even going to the point of shutting down anyone who questioned parada as well as closing threads that exposed parada’s lies.

tnet lost all credibility in the serious treasure hunting community due to their actions in support of parada.
 
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You are speaking of the thread on the other site, correct? TNet became a support mechanism for parada’s lies. It seems that due to the fact that he advertised tnet on his website, that the mods at tnet protected his lies, even going to the point of shutting down anyone who questioned parada as well as closing threads that exposed parada’s lies.

tnet lost all credibility in the serious treasure hunting community due to their actions in support of parada.

The truth is, Plaintiff never wanted an open and honest discussion of the facts, because he was never looking for the truth. He had a belief and a narrative to fulfill (as well as a TV show to sell) and anything that contradicts that, he deletes, misrepresents or ignores.
 
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