The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

[SS_Wonder]

Don’t forget the underground kgc city fk recently stated they found near dents run. Full of gold, weapons, bunks, etc.

When dents run finally fizzles that will be his next attempted hoax in his continuing quest to get a fictional cable tv show.

 

[GoDeep]

Further documented incidents of possible false statements by Plaintiff:

Plaintiff stated a Federal Judge asked for the Enviroscan to be conducted. This claim is simply not true as the record reflects no Federal Judge asked that a Enviroscan Gravimeter test be done at Dents Run. No judge was even on the case when the FBI began their investigation, and the FBI contracted out the test on their own as part of their investigation and later presented the results as evidence in their warrant application to a judge.

 

[GoDeep]

Further documented incidents of possible false statements by Plaintiff:

They never "located 20 pig iron containers", see exhibit 1. Their previous testimony is clear, in drilling, they hit what they thought was metal, and their scans showed metal but they even admitted nothing was EVER recovered from the ground to confirm what it was they actually struck. It's just simply an untrue statement.

Exhibit 1:

 

[GoDeep]

4. Were there armored trucks at the dig site that moved in convoys?

Where there's smoke there's fire, right Tom of Ca? This claim is interesting to me as behind the night dig, this is their second best "evidence" that they point to as "proof" gold was found.

This one is easy to debunk. As one member here astutely pointed out to me and i'm taking liberties in paraphrasing him, "This was a dig for a possible 7-9 tons of gold, it would be a minimum expectation that they have trucks on site to haul it away should they actually strike gold." So yes, there very likely were armored trucks at or staged near the site, any less would have been coming totally unprepared, but it doesn't mean you found one ounce of gold!

But while we are here, lets examine the actual evidence. One thing i've noticed, is the number of "armored" trucks at or near the site has grown over the last four years from an initially reported 2 near Weedsville to most recently 5 staged all over the place! I put armored trucks in quotations because we still have no pictures of what these trucks actually were. "Armored" trucks could have been any of several different types of armored trucks: Troop transport, Assault, Rescue, Mobil Command Center, Bank Transport, Weapons Transport etc.

A Brief Timeline of Armored Truck Numbers:

- 2 Armored Trucks, Oct. 9, 2018. Heather Selle, in an inteview with the AP, " "Heather Selle, who lives in nearby Weedville, said she was getting her kids ready for school on the morning of the second day when she spied a convoy of FBI vehicles driving past — including two large armored trucks." Link to article: https://www.foxnews.com/us/civil-wa...uspicious-in-wake-of-dig-at-pennsylvania-site

- 3 Armored Trucks, Oct. 12, 2018. FinderKeeper stated this. It is the earliest post i can find of his that states the number of Armored trucks. See Exhibit 1.

- 4 Armored Trucks Oct 26, 2019. FinderKeeper's claim grows to 4 Armored Trucks. See Exhibit 2.

- 5 Armored Trucks March 14, 2021 FindersKeepers Claim grows to 5 Armored Trucks. See Exhibit 3 (Exhibit 3 was shortened to pertinent part)

- 5 Armored Trucks, August 26th, 2022 FindersKeepers most recent claim of 5 armored trucks and wildly speculative reasonings, including a claim they found a lot more than 9 tons of gold! See Exhibit 4

Conclusion: Yes, it would be expected there were at least some armored trucks on standby as it was an excavation after all. However, With no pictures and no confirmation of what the locals constituted as "armored" trucks and the fact that the number grew from 2 to 5 over the span of 4 years coupled with the fact none of the witnesses saw any actual gold being loaded or unloaded from said trucks coupled with the fact they were seen in several different areas, (meaning, trucks were more than likely being counted more than one time as they moved from Weedville to the site to staging areas nearby and than back to Weedville) we can make no determination of how many, the type or what they did or did not carry.

Exhibit 1,2,3,4:

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.....Where there's smoke there's fire, right Tom of Ca? ...

... As one member here astutely pointed out to me and i'm taking liberties in paraphrasing him, "This was a dig for a possible 7-9 tons of gold, it would be a minimum expectation that they have trucks on site to haul it away should they actually strike gold." ...

Yes, After Dennis spent years beating on govt. bureaucrat's doors, insisting there was a fabulous treasure, he FINALLY succeeded in getting them to come look. Thus sure, they would have brought equipment for what they were told was necessary for his claims. So if you tell someone a certain # of tons, they're going to bring whatever type truck(s) , for whatever task, eh ?

Thus yes: The # and type of trucks is not "smoke indicating fire". It's merely the smoke that Dennis had created himself.

And as for the timing of the Govt. removing of the trucks : I'm in construction, and we often stage heavy equipment on site. When the job is done, and we are removing the equipment & vehicles : Sure, we'll do that in the subsequent days @ whatever odd-ball time we want. There's no requirement that they are removed after 8am, etc... So the time we come retrieve our gear has no bearing at all on the job we just finished.

Example : I've got a street sweeper parked on a job 2 hrs. from me right now. When that job is done, I'll send a courier over to fetch the unit, to prepare for another customer's job somewhere else. And the timing of when I pick it up, has utterly nothing to do with the job I've just finished there.

So: Even if the gear was rolling away at an oddball time, is totally irrelevant. That's just when they came to pick their materials back up. Why is that necessarily suspicious or point to "treasure" ?

You know Go-Deep, When I initially pushed back on the story line, I got accused of calling Dennis a liar. And I replied that : "No, Dennis is quite sincere in his belief. Thus he's not a liar" (I was trying to be charitable). But after looking at your research of the point blank denials-in-logic , and stories-that-grow in your research, I can't help but think that at a certain point , Dennis HAS to be aware that this simply isn't making sense. At what point does it turn from 1) "belief" to 2) "stupidity" to 3) an outright "lie" ?

 

[Tpmetal]

Don’t forget the underground kgc city fk recently stated they found near dents run. Full of gold, weapons, bunks, etc.

When dents run finally fizzles that will be his next attempted hoax in his continuing quest to get a fictional cable tv show.

I met him and visited this site along with his supposed "native american stone working site", which is just a hundred yards or so up the hill. All of this too is equally as full of his hocus pocus. Claims of an alter stone the native performed sacrifices on, huge "carved rock" in the shape of an arrowhead, they worshiped this spot because it was a vortex, and so on. I checked out the site with him in person, and pointed out how most of his "altered" boulders were nothing more than the normal sandstone outcrops found all over this area of PA. And that the square cut stones came from the farmers in the 1800s. I even researched the original settlers and their troubles they had with the rocky area and even cursed the party leader for bringing them there. He ignores down the hill from the rock outcrop was a stone chimney which sported the same stone from the out crop. But this chimney is where he claims this KGC depository is, and wasn't seen by him as being connected to the stone cutting only a couple hundred yards away. It really was thinking that was as I call "scatter brained", all over the place with no planned thought process. He also made wild claims of how all these rocks lined up with compass readings and so on, I popped out my compass and nothing lined up, the excuse was the compass was being affected by the "vortex". In the end I came out of this experience absolutely dumbfounded at how someone can be so trapped in their own fantasies.

Sorry typed all this in a rush and probably left some stuff out or poorly worded it, but the experience really told me everything I need to know about Dennis and his practices.

 

[GoDeep]

You know Go-Deep, When I initially pushed back on the story line, I got accused of calling Dennis a liar. And I replied that : "No, Dennis is quite sincere in his belief. Thus he's not a liar" (I was trying to be charitable). But after looking at your research of the point blank denials-in-logic , and stories-that-grow in your research, I can't help but think that at a certain point , Dennis HAS to be aware that this simply isn't making sense. At what point does it turn from 1) "belief" to 2) "stupidity" to 3) an outright "lie" ?

It's moved on to number 3. I used to believe he was just a really passionate treasure hunter who truly believed the FBI found gold. But after uncovering multiple untruths, suppressing evidence to his followers on his Facebook group (he still hasn't even told them, 4 weeks later, that he lost his largest motion to date, a motion to compel lead FBI Agent Archer to sit under oath for questioning), admitting he'd work with the FBI again, admitting the gold still may be at Dents Run and completely unfounded and unhinged explanations of even more gold being there, he himself has demonstrated its #3.

 

[GoDeep]

I met him and visited this site along with his supposed "native american stone working site", which is just a hundred yards or so up the hill. All of this too is equally as full of his hocus pocus. Claims of an alter stone the native performed sacrifices on, huge "carved rock" in the shape of an arrowhead, they worshiped this spot because it was a vortex, and so on. I checked out the site with him in person, and pointed out how most of his "altered" boulders were nothing more than the normal sandstone outcrops found all over this area of PA. And that the square cut stones came from the farmers in the 1800s. I even researched the original settlers and their troubles they had with the rocky area and even cursed the party leader for bringing them there. He ignores down the hill from the rock outcrop was a stone chimney which sported the same stone from the out crop. But this chimney is where he claims this KGC depository is, and wasn't seen by him as being connected to the stone cutting only a couple hundred yards away. It really was thinking that was as I call "scatter brained", all over the place with no planned thought process. He also made wild claims of how all these rocks lined up with compass readings and so on, I popped out my compass and nothing lined up, the excuse was the compass was being affected by the "vortex". In the end I came out of this experience absolutely dumbfounded at how someone can be so trapped in their own fantasies.

Sorry typed all this in a rush and probably left some stuff out or poorly worded it, but the experience really told me everything I need to know about Dennis and his practices.

You are the 3rd person who's told me they actually met with Plaintiff and their accounts are similar to yours. It's as though he has no adherence to any factual, evidentiary approach to these alleged sites. A scan simply showing metal turns into cannons, gold, silver and KGC depositories. A rock and crooked tree turns into a detailed map of where the gold lies. A FBI agent going to the bathroom multiple times in the morning turns into they dug all night and stole 9 tons of gold. It's not grounded in any reality.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... At what point does it turn from 1) "belief" to 2) "stupidity" to 3) an outright "lie" ?

It's moved on to number 3. ....

As hobbyists, we all love to debate topics which fall under #1. We all love to debate beliefs (pros & cons of machines, treasure theories, etc....). And then sure: You boot someone off a forum for being too snarky. I understand that. But not for simple disagreement/data.

But when it comes to #2 or #3, then IMHO, "snarky" is justified. And no reason to delete, ban, etc..... Once that starts, then ...... why even have hobbyist forums ?

 

[GoDeep]

Cont'd:

4. Were there armored trucks at the dig site that moved in convoys?

Plaintiffs also point to the trucks "moving in Convoys" and "blocking off the road" as some sort of "evidence" they found gold.

This one is too easy to dispel. As a former LE Officer of 11 years and a US Army Veteran, i can personally testify that moving in convoy's when you have several vehicles is Standard Operating Procedure for the Military and Law Enforcement, especially when travelling on public roads over significant distances (Be it CIA, FBI, Secrcet Service, Police, Military etc).

- Why do they do this? Safety and security.

- Do they at times block off the roads? Yes, they sometimes block off roads as the convoy passes to prevent others, be it civilians or enemy combatants, from entering into the convoy which presents increased risk to our own safety.

- What can happen when they don't run in convoys and don't block off roads to prevent civilians from pulling in front of us? Around 1990, I and another soldier were traveling to Fort McCoy, Wisc. on public roads in a 5 ton 6x6. I was in the drivers seat, and traffic was heavy. I was leaving adequate distance between myself and the car in front of me as it was raining. Unfortunately, a driver on a side road thought this distance I was leaving was enough for him to pull out in front of us. He was wrong. This was the result. See Exhibits below.

Conclusion: It is standard operating procedure, whenever possible or practical, to travel in convoys for our safety, our passengers safety and the safety of our equipment. There is absolutely nothing nefarious about the FBI traveling in convoys at the time the Dents Run dig took place and it definitely is not evidence that they found 9 tons of gold.

Accident i was personally in due to not being in a convoy:

 

[GoDeep]

13. Did Plaintiffs have nighttime photos from their trail cams? At times they indicated they did, at other times they indicated they didn't. Which is true?

This harkens back to Plaintiffs belief that there was a night dig. However, Irregardless of whether there was or was not a night dig, it doesn't mean any gold was found.
Where we stand now, the evidence is overwhelming that no night dig took place, see posts #61-64 .

- Yes, there are nighttime photos. Exhibit 1 Statement of FinderKeeper, 3/15/19 "The FBI dug all night, i did show the excavator is working at night digging up the hillside" FinderKeeper is referencing the photo he posted below (Exhibit 3), which "proves" a night dig. However, it was later found out this photo was taken in the afternoon of day one dig, not at night as he apparently wanted us to believe.

- Yes, there are nighttime photos. Exhibit 2 Statement of FinderKeeper, 3/17/19, "I did prove the FBI lied...I showed the excavator digging with lights on"

- No, there aren't nighttime photos. Statement of Plaintiffs Associate, Warren Gettler, 3/13/21 Press Release Video, Start at 41:08 (link below), In pertinent part, "We were kicked off Tuesday around 3pm and his camera from 4pm that day to 4pm the next day, when we're totally gone from the site, gone home forever, is shut off. There's one (camera) left and it's shut off either by a cloth being put about it or by a jammer system"

It should be noted that Plaintiff himself testified that he had two working trail cameras on site on day one of the dig. At around 300pm, he noticed one of the cameras was about to be buried by the excavator, so he took it down, leaving just one camera at the site (it was the camera that took the attached excavator picture). Warren Gettler confirms that there was only one camera left in their press conference.

Conclusion: After the dig, it appears Plaintiff wanted the readers to believe he had nighttime photos, even going so far as to falsely claim a photo taken during the afternoon of the day one dig was a photo of the FBI digging at night. Plaintiff later backed off this claim, finally admitting in their press conference that they had no nighttime photos as their camera had been "covered" or "jammed".

Exhibit 1, 2, 3 and Press Conference Youtube Video:

 

[Cfmct]

Keep this thread going guys... its a lot more interesting reading this than those detector comparison threads....

 

[GoDeep]

Cont'd:

13. Did Plaintiffs have nighttime photos from their trail cams? At times they indicated they did, at other times they indicated they didn't. Which is true?

Additionally, did Plaintiff or his associates forge/alter the photo they claim shows the FBI digging at night? (see exhibit 1) Did they remove the time/date stamp from it and turn it black and white (easy to do in a photo editor) to make it look more like night time? Edit: I have new evidence on this, i suspect it was a black and white IR photo. I'll share my evidence tonight.

1. We already know Plaintiff was willing to mislead us by claiming it was a photo that "proved" the FBI digging at night when it was actually taken in the afternoon of the day 1 dig. If Plaintiffs were willing to mislead us on that, why wouldn't they be willing to go one step further and alter it?

2. The other trail cam they had on site and took down around 3pm so it wouldn't be covered by the excavator took all color photos that had date and time stamps on them. (see an example below as Exhibit 2)

3. Looking at all Plaintiffs other trail cam pictures they had posted in the past 4-5 years were all in color. Edit: I have new evidence on this, i suspect it was a black and white IR photo. I'll share my evidence tonight.

4. Plaintiff has been caught forging/altering evidence before (breakdown of that in a later post)


Conclusion: Though we may never know, there is circumstantial evidence that it may have been altered. At a minimum, we know that Plaintiff mislead us on it.

Exhibit 1 and Exhibit 2:

 

[Tom_in_CA]

....

I have only-just-begun watching this lengthy video. But already see some logical flaws :


2:10 "....amount of evidence ...."

And by "evidence", they, of course, mean "evidence of a fabulous treasure". Eh ? But go a little further about the stuff they call "evidence" :

2:19 "....raises questions ...."

3:27 ".....lots of questions ...."

Here's the logical fallacy going on : Questions, accusations, and just-so-stories are not "evidence". Only evidence is evidence. But to the average consumer public (that loves a good treasure story), they only see the salacious word "evidence". And somehow assume that the rest of the video is "evidence".

Someone should get hold of this video maker and show him this FMDF thread (and others like it that have appeared here). And yes CFMCT : Thank you for the open dialogue platform to allow this exchange to happen !

 

[GoDeep]

And yes CFMCT : Thank you for the open dialogue platform to allow this exchange to happen !

Yes, thank you FMDF, SeabeeRon, CFMCT, for allowing the facts to be told. Plaintiff no longer has the shield of being a "private citizen", he is in fact, a "celebrity". By sitting for multiple interviews with national publications, holding press releases, recording videos and shows and bringing a public suit against the FBI, he has brought his claims into the public sphere for a full and critical discourse of all claims, past, present and future.

 

[Cfmct]

Someone should get hold of this video maker and show him this FMDF thread (and others like it that have appeared here). And yes CFMCT : Thank you for the open dialogue platform to allow this exchange to happen !

We don't spank peoples hands when they don't agree with the story... no one should only insecure people so that.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Ok, I finished watching the entire video. Pretty much hashed out all the same story as has been pitched for so-long. Material that relies on "people doing suspicious things" as evidence that "... Therefore, the G-men must be hiding a fabulous treasure"

At one point, when they entertain Q&A, someone asks what the reason was to even suspect a treasure, in the first place. And I had to chuckle at the answer : Essentially they point back to the treasure legend in-question, as proof of itself. To simply rehearse the story, as evidence of the story. Can you spell : "circular reasoning" ?

Other spots in the video to note:

15:57 : "Long Range Locators" which "pinpointed gold"

As any md'r will attest: LRL's are hocus pocus. Akin to dowsing. While I'm not saying that a sincere TH'r might not be partial to them , or that this necessarily "disproves treasure", I'm just saying that : The minute anyone brings up these devices, is the minute they should get triple scrutiny. As to their credentials and wisdom.

23:15 : A booby trap wall barrier. Yup, no good treasure legend would be complete unless it were at insane depths, with booby traps and sold concrete walls to block the passage.


24:00 : turtle symbol. This is another giveaway that FK and gang is partial to superstition. Because turtle symbols, as a treasure marker clue, is another old yarn, that gets spun into many other legends. Ie.: Supposed symbolism left somewhere at the place where a treasure is buried.


1:05:02 Finally a skeptic's question. About why would the G-men have any reason NOT to show a treasure ? And the answer given in the video is simply grasping for straws. His answer *assumes* a treasure was there in the first place. Rather than seeing the question as putting doubt on the story, in-the-first place.

Another "just so" story spun, of why everything falls into place, as long as you stand on one foot and imagine enough nefarious people running around with conspiratorial motives. Then sure, you can conjure up an explanation of why ANYONE would do a ridiculous maneuver. And you can see sinister motives in EVERYTHING that goes on around you.

 

[GoDeep]

Ok, I finished watching the entire video. Pretty much hashed out all the same story as has been pitched for so-long. Material that relies on "people doing suspicious things" as evidence that "... Therefore, the G-men must be hiding a fabulous treasure"

At one point, when they entertain Q&A, someone asks what the reason was to even suspect a treasure, in the first place. And I had to chuckle at the answer : Essentially they point back to the treasure legend in-question, as proof of itself. To simply rehearse the story, as evidence of the story. Can you spell : "circular reasoning" ?

Other spots in the video to note:

15:57 : "Long Range Locators" which "pinpointed gold"

As any md'r will attest: LRL's are hocus pocus. Akin to dowsing. While I'm not saying that a sincere TH'r might not be partial to them , or that this necessarily "disproves treasure", I'm just saying that : The minute anyone brings up these devices, is the minute they should get triple scrutiny. As to their credentials and wisdom.

23:15 : A booby trap wall barrier. Yup, no good treasure legend would be complete unless it were at insane depths, with booby traps and sold concrete walls to block the passage.


24:00 : turtle symbol. This is another giveaway that FK and gang is partial to superstition. Because turtle symbols, as a treasure marker clue, is another old yarn, that gets spun into many other legends. Ie.: Supposed symbolism left somewhere at the place where a treasure is buried.


1:05:02 Finally a skeptic's question. About why would the G-men have any reason NOT to show a treasure ? And the answer given in the video is simply grasping for straws. His answer *assumes* a treasure was there in the first place. Rather than seeing the question as putting doubt on the story, in-the-first place.

Another "just so" story spun, of why everything falls into place, as long as you stand on one foot and imagine enough nefarious people running around with conspiratorial motives. Then sure, you can conjure up an explanation of why ANYONE would do a ridiculous maneuver. And you can see sinister motives in EVERYTHING that goes on around you.

Yeah, it's a real piece of work isn't it?!

When i listen to it, i can't help but every other sentence yell at the screen, "Objection your honor, speculation!" I've never seen so much speculation in my life. You do get a sense in just how much Warren Gettler is pushing the narrative himself, yet he bills himself a "investigative journalist"? He sure isn't doing much investigating! This thread, however, is full of Investigative Reporting!

 

[GoDeep]

11. At one time, did Plaintiffs themselves admit they weren't always completely honest when posting statements about Dents Run online?

This probably isn't even necessary at this point, as we've already demonstrated in this thread several instances of Plaintiffs being, to put it in the most charitable of light, less than truthful. But hearing it in their own words is the most powerful of evidence:

- Statement of FinderKeeper 3/22/21, "They would like to know what info we have and what we are up to. So I post info for them to read , some info may be off or twisted just to keep them going."



- Reply to FinderKeeper by GoDeep 3/22/21:



- In a rare moment, even the Mods took him to task, calling him out for twisting things and using the forum as a propaganda tool. Unfortunately it was short lived and this post was quickly deleted:




Conclusion: I think my response to Plaintiff back then best summed it up. If he's purposely not telling the truth in his public posts to mislead the FBI, he's also not telling the 1000's of members the complete truth as they have no way of knowing who his posts are directed at. It's not like he'd post something and then put an asterisk by it saying, "heads up members, this post is untruthful, i wrote it for the FBI". Truth is, he admitted to misleading us all and as the evidence bares out, has continued to do so.

 

[SS_Wonder]

No need to say “petitioner” here as this forum allows for free speech and debate.

I remember when finderskeepers admitted to lying on the other forum and was banned after it was reported.

I thought, “finally”.

Then fk was back the next day. I messaged with the mod who banned him and got a bs answer as to why fk was back after admitting to the world that he lied.

The common belief was that the other site was promised mention if fk was ever awarded a fictional cable tv show.