The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

[GoDeep]

This is probably my favorite claim that I've researched as the evidence is compelling, this will be a 4 post reply:

2. Did a nighttime dig take place? Plaintiffs claim there was a night dig. In fact, they've based almost their entire case on the claim that the FBI sent them home at 3:00pm on the first day of the dig and then fired the excavator back up and dug late into the night, allowing them to secret away 9 tons of gold under cover of darkness.

1. First, let's point out the elephant in the room and state the obvious: Digging at night doesn't increase the odds of you finding gold, nor does it increase the odds that someone allegedly buried gold there over a 150+ years ago. If gold wasn't there to begin with, digging at nighttime, daytime or even after Church on Sunday, won't yield you any gold.

2. For the sake of argument, let's say the FBI did intend to "steal" the gold, was it necessary to dig at night? Was it necessary to be out in the cold, when the temps dropped to 15 degrees that night, in low visibility with snow falling creating muddy water filled holes 12 ft deep making a slippery dangerous site and forcing you to smash and grab, without benefit of carefully preserving, documenting, and cataloging 9 tons of national treasure?

- The answers are an emphatic "NO". The FBI had the entire site sealed off and guarded by multiple FBI Police. NO outside party, including the PA DCNR, local Law Enforcement or Plaintiffs were allowed to walk about the site without an FBI escort.

- But most compelling, is that the FBI Warrant didn't expire for another week after the dig concluded. The dig concluded on March 15th, yet the warrant was good until March 23rd! There just simply was no need whatsoever to do a night dig. Doing it during the day would allow them to carefully remove and document this national treasure and if even more time was needed, the judge would have happily extended the warrant until the job was done. See Exhibit 15.


Cont'd on next post.

Exhibit 15, FBI Warrant, note date it expired:

 

[GoDeep]

Cont'd, "Did a nighttime dig take place?"

- In examining the record, it appears Plaintiffs largely base their beliefs in a nighttime dig on a witness, Cheryl E. 62, who lives just a few houses down from the FBI staging area where the main tent was located as well as the Gator 6x6 diesel side by sides the FBI police used to patrol the site day and night. Also at the big tent was a diesel or gas generator and forced air external heater with blower to blow heat into the tent.

-In her interview with Associated Press, taken some 6 months after the dig in October, 2018, it was reported, "Cheryl Elder, who lives nearby, told AP she heard what sounded like a backhoe and jackhammer at least until 2 a.m. - the noisy machinery keeping her awake and annoying her because she had to rise early for work - and she saw that the hillside was brightly lit. It was just real loud all night," the former constable recalled. "It was driving me nuts." Link here: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/civil-...lenge-fbi-over-dig-in-dents-run-pennsylvania/

Nearly 4 years later, she was again interviewed by Popular Mechanics, and she makes two particularly interesting statements below. Article Link here: https://archive.ph/4Q420#selection-1855.12-1855.52

1. She states, "Elder heard heavy work on the slope above: the sounds of a backhoe backing up, the rattling of a jackhammer." and

2. She also states, “I know they found that gold,” she says.

There are several problems with this witness:

A. Her interview with the AP and later Popular mechanics was 6 months and 4 years respectively after the dig.

B. Witness states her bias, when she says, without evidence, without having even viewed the actual dig: "I know they found that gold".

C. The witness admits being upset and angry. It was a 3 day dig with what she reports was constant noise and heavy traffic.

D. Witness states " ...the sounds of a backhoe backing up, the rattling of a jackhammer" She is assuming the rattling was the jackhammer and that the back up alarm was the excavator. However, we now know that there were 6x6 Diesel Gators on site that we know by the FBI site logs, spent the night patrolling up and down the road to and from the Dig site. These diesel gators also may have back up alarms on them, explaining the backup alarm she was hearing.

E. And last but not least, it's been shown that witnesses are unreliable and often report information that confirms their own belief.

Bottom Line, the witness never was on site and witnessed no gold being dug. Witnesses are unreliable, and often want to confirm their own belief as is evidenced by her statement that she "knew they found gold".

Listen to this youtube clip of Diesel Gator 6x6's, complete with back up alarm, this could very well explain what she described as "rattling of a jackhammer" and the 'backup alarm":



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPcyRryXwQc

 

[GoDeep]

Cont'd, "Did a nighttime dig take place?"

Next up we have the Jackhammer. The witness, Cherly L, reported hearing "hammering" or "rattling" noises at night and assumed it was the jackhammer. But was the Jackhammer even used that night?

Exhibit 1 Shows the Jackhammer, lying on the ground on day one of the dig , around midafternoon. This picture was provided by Plaintiff himself from a trail camera he had at the site.

Exhibit 2 Shows a closeup of the Jackhammer, note its orientation and note how the configuration of the hydraulic hose looped around.

Exhibit 3 Shows the same Jackhammer on the second day of the dig, it is in the same location, unmoved, and the hydraulic cord looped around in the same configuration as the day before. We established this picture is from the 2nd day by the fresh snow on the ground and on the attachment as well as the site log sheet with time stamp, as well as other photo's taken the 2nd morning of the dig in which the jackhammer is in the same position with snow on it.

It is apparent the Jackhammer was not used the night a witness reported hearing it.

Exhibit 1, 2, 3:

 

[GoDeep]

Cont'd, "Did a nighttime dig take place?"

Next up, we have definitive photo evidence that the Excavator did not move from approximately 7:00pm on the first day of the dig until the next morning (2nd day of the dig) at approximately 8:00AM when morning shots were completed. Exhibits 1 and 2.

These photo's are further corroborated by their position, the sun coming from the East and West (Morning and Evening shots), The snow cover on the excavator in the morning picture (it snowed overnight) and most importantly, the site photo logs and event site logs found here: https://vault.fbi.gov/alleged-missi...ents-run-elk-county-pennsylvania-part-05/view

Conclusion: Given the witnesses testimony has been impeached and photo evidence that neither the jackhammer nor the excavator moved from the end of day 1 of the dig until the morning of the 2nd day of the dig, applying the reasonable person standard: No reasonable person would conclude that a nighttime dig took place.


Exhibit 1, End of Day 1 and Beginning of Day 2 and Exhibit 2, Place Reference Markers:

 

[SS_Wonder]

Perhaps send links to this thread to news outlets that fk duped?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Well go-deep, I have to confess, that when you first chimed in here, asking us forumites to bat-away each salacious detail of the Dents Run saga, I initially thought : "Oh no, a faithful DR believer, who's going to require skeptics to jump through dozens of hoops, and then try to triumphantly announce "it must be true". By engaging in a wack-a-mole game.

I didn't for-see that your motive was actually that you were wisely skeptical of it. And now I have very much enjoyed reading your material. Great contributions !!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

But Go-deep : Regarding your post # 63 of the position-of-jack-hammer not being moved: I predict that the pushback to this will be :

That the crafty FBI anticipated this potential pushback. So they craftily hid the evidence by making sure the jackhammer placement (of the pneumatic chords seen in the pix) in *exactly* the same position, once they were done. So that it would *appear* to have not been moved.

I mean, .... c'mon .... do you think the FBI is stupid ? OF COURSE they are going to be careful and stage the jackhammer in exactly the same positioning . Tsk tsk

 

[Tom_in_CA]

And in your post # 64 : Notice that the source of the photos you give is from (drumroll) THE FBI !! So: Don't you know that the FBI must have doctored, scrubbed, and altered those photos ? I mean, do you think the FBI is that dumb not to cover their scheme ? OF COURSE they anticipated ahead of time that someone could use the photos to reveal their theft. So they wisely doctor these photos ahead of time.

You can not trust photos that the FBI provides. After all, they're big bad mean government, who can *never* be trusted. Example: If a government employee tells you that this is the year 2022, you can rightfully assume that it must NOT be the year 2022 (since, after all, they *always* lie, right ?)

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Perhaps send links to this thread to news outlets that fk duped?

Yes, Dennis spent years running around, beating on media doors, trying to draw attention to himself. He finally succeeded in getting a few spurious rags to run his song & dance.

And yes, I often wondered : Gee, don't any of those newspapers cross-check, and seek out potential pushbacks ? To check the truth of the story they're about to run ? Ie.: Gee, I don't see them rushing to interview any skeptics. I only see them rushing to interview "the faithful" .

There are indeed staff at any reputable news source (most newspapers of the old days) whose sole job it is to verify and cross-check for accuracy. So that they don't publish something for which they are ridiculed later on.

But in today's digital world, ANYONE can start a "newspaper" (so-to-speak).
And .... we have 100s of "National Enquirer" type rags now on-line. That at first blush, might seem like newspapers. But you dig deeper, and they're the same type ilk that will run Bigfoot and UFO articles the same day.

I wonder if any reputable news has run stories counter to D.R. ? There's no shortage of counter-study on hobbyist forums like this . Go figure, this is our hobby to treasure-hunt. But to the general public (who's not necessarily reading md'ing forums), YES : It would be nice if a reputable news source would interview a person like GoDeep, or FreeBirdTim, or me. And then let those links also rise-to-the-top, haha

 

[GoDeep]

And in your post # 64 : Notice that the source of the photos you give is from (drumroll) THE FBI !! So: Don't you know that the FBI must have doctored, scrubbed, and altered those photos ?

But Go-deep : Regarding your post # 63 of the position-of-jack-hammer not being moved: I predict that the pushback to this will be :

That the crafty FBI anticipated this potential pushback. So they craftily hid the evidence by making sure the jackhammer placement (of the pneumatic chords seen in the pix) in *exactly* the same position, once they were done. So that it would *appear* to have not been moved.

ng:

Your anticipations are correct, he has already made public claims to that effect, quote, "The FBI shows you want they want you to see" (apparently implying the FBI doctored evidence). However, he has NOT made those claims in court under penalty of perjury where it matters. There is ample evidence already in the record that supports these photos and ironically, much of that evidence comes from Plaintiff himself which i will be sharing in a later post.

I didn't for-see that your motive was actually that you were wisely skeptical of it. And now I have very much enjoyed reading your material. Great contributions !!

Thank you, it's kind of become a hobby for me.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Your anticipations are correct, he has already made public claims to that effect, quote, "The FBI shows you want they want you to see" (apparently implying the FBI doctored evidence). ....

I knew it ! I correctly predicted !! I must be psychic

.... it's kind of become a hobby for me.

Well I'm glad someone else shares this "bee in my bonnet" with me. I enjoyed dissing magic wands and a few of the other treasure legends there. But when this D.R. hit the scene there, as you know .... no such skeptical views were allowed. Which ironically, only-made me all-the more ferocious. I guess it just made me all the more curious : "Why the special attention to this one ?"

I guess it must be the psychology of the "bigger they are, the harder they fall". It's easy to climb a small mountain (to diss the run-of-mill ghost story legends). But if one is said to be indisputable, then gee, the skeptic is REALLY gonna wanna look at that one. In the same way that a mountain climber will go out of his way to climb the mountain that the next guy says is unassailable .

So the more the "faithful" want to make sure everyone believes, is the exact moment that the next guy will say : "Really ? Let's test this and see". So the faithful's own tenacity is exactly what fuels the counter-view to dissect the salacious details.

 

[GoDeep]

So the more the "faithful" want to make sure everyone believes, is the exact moment that the next guy will say : "Really ? Let's test this and see".

What draws me most to this case is twofold:

1. It's happening in real time, and we can actually weigh real, tangible evidence against the claims. Most legends you're relegated to dusting off some old book whereas this one, we have an actual FBI excavation of the site and a court case to boot!

2. When they purged my thread, it became personal. Imagine having a thread literally wiped off the internet, BECAUSE you were telling the truth. The irony is so deep: Plaintiff is accusing the FBI of orchestrating a coverup, all the while he and his enablers are running their own coverup!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

... It's happening in real time, and we can actually weigh real, tangible evidence against the claims. Most legends you're relegated to dusting off some old book ....

Good point. Because here's what happens when someone pushes back on O.I, or Lost Dutchman, or Yamashita, etc.... : The affirming faithful will point to the legend itself, as evidence. So you can never say "Says who ?" You can never point out the circularity of that logic, since, of course, the "proof" is nothing more than the legend itself. You can't go interview eye-witnesses. And they all happened before advent of cameras and real-time evidence.

Thus yes, that makes this one so easy to poke holes in. All you have to do is go say "Really ?? Let's see ". And it unravels.

.... When they purged my thread, it became personal....

Yup. Just like the mountain climber being told "you won't be able to climb this mountain". Or the field goal kicker being told "you can't exceed 60 yards". The only thing that those statements do, is make the challenger ALL THE MORE INTENT to accomplish the task. Doh !

 

[SS_Wonder]

https://www.thecourierexpress.com/news/local/local-treasure-hunters-say-dents-run-search-not-rooted-in-fact/article_77ac5501-cdaf-5c66-b01c-18a6a6ae32a6.html

 

[Tom_in_CA]

https://www.thecourierexpress.com/news/local/local-treasure-hunters-say-dents-run-search-not-rooted-in-fact/article_77ac5501-cdaf-5c66-b01c-18a6a6ae32a6.html

excellent link SS-wonder. Thanx.

And I loved this quote :

" ..... “We had at least seven or eight FBI men out there, plus DCNR (Department of Conservation & Natural Resources), plus the Forestry Service. What is this costing the taxpayer to have this group up there doing this?” an incensed Beil asked. “I’ll bet you by the time it’s said and done with all of their lodging, all of their salaries, this is going to be well over $100,000 of wasted money and time. And that’s a shame, when some historical research debunks this whole thing.” .... "

 

[GoDeep]

Or "What-If" we act like actual treasure hunters, not fantasy fiction writers, and get back to the facts?

Just now over on their FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/191744504932728

 

[SeabeeRon]

Or "What-If" we act like actual treasure hunters, not fantasy fiction writers, and get back to the facts?

Interesting, do you have a link to where you got this?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... Just now over on their FB group:

This reads like one of those Children's books called : "Just so stories". Anyone can paint 'what if' scenarios like this all day long.

I can spin a yarn about how a treasure must be in my backyard, if I let my imagination run wild long enough. Eg.: "My home is only 2 miles from Monterey Harbor. Manila Galleons were known to have plied the coast of CA in the 1600s. Several of them are un-accounted for. I saw strange geometric symbols around my neighborhood : Round paver stones, rectangular fence planks, etc..... "...

And with each and every salacious detail I could paint, perhaps every one of them is 100% as a "possibility". But does that means there's a treasure in my backyard ? NO !

 

[SeabeeRon]

Interesting, do you have a link to where you got this?

Thanks! Didn’t notice the link before.

 

[GoDeep]

This reads like one of those Children's books called : "Just so stories". Anyone can paint 'what if' scenarios like this all day long. !

I used to believe they truly believed the FBI found gold. I no longer believe they do. For the Plaintiffs claiming they are going to bring another suit against the FBI, they've just squandered away any remaining credibility they had with the Courts by posting what can only be described as unhinged fantasy devoid of any factual basis.