Mr. Digger
Elite Member
A find worthy of the Eye Popping and Mind Blowing section for sure!!!!!!
An amazing, incredible piece of history you found!!!
Curious, what is a mid 30s TID on a Deus, with respect to a nickel?
I am living in Oklahoma now, but grew up in PA, and I know where there's a cellar hole that looks almost EXACTLY like the one in your picture; in fact, your picture made me do a double-take! I have it on my list of places to hunt, but haven't done so, yet. I just might do it around Thanksgiving, now, thanks to your post, when we travel back home for the Holiday.
Thanks for the info about how you usually don't find the stuff right adjacent to the cellar hole, but out farther away. I will keep that in mind as I hunt the site.
Meanwhile, CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Steve
The program I'm using on the Deus sounds and acts very similar to the ATPro (Only better...) with regards to tone and VDI. Nickels ring in the low 50's. U.S. silver will ring in the mid 80's and moves up with coin, etc...
Good luck with your spot in PA. Dig everything!
-Tim
Tim --
Appreciate that additional info. So, just for my curiosity, you say this hit mid 30s, while a nickel would be low 50s on the program you are running on your Deus. What would a mid-30s be, that I'd be familiar with. Is it lower than a beaver tail, for instance (which comes in just a little below a nickel on my Explorer)? Sounds like it would be quite a bit lower than a beaver tail, unless there is TREMENDOUS resolution in those lower VDI numbers on the Deus. Mid 30s for that ring, and low 50s for a nickel, would sound like we are talking WAY down into the foil range, like lower than a .22 bullet, or .22 casing, and down into the "small piece of foil" range? I could see how it could register below a nickel, but even below a .22 round?
WOW. If so, then I understand even better your "dig everything" comment. Like EVERYTHING everything...
I'm guessing (as I am sure you already know) you have a very high-carat ring there...22-24. A BEAUTY!
Steve
Youve got to dig those foil like numbers if you want to find tombac buttons. Probably thought he was digging another until that awesome ring popped out
OK, Toasted, while I grew up in PA, I have been in Oklahoma for the last 20 years, and -- aside from a few hours with a machine I found in my grandfather's basement as a kid -- I have gained the majority of detecting experience here in Oklahoma, and thus largely on sites "younger" than about 1890.
SO -- as I am hunting these much older sites when I visit my home back in PA, I realize I need to "dig different/lower tones" on some of these old sites than I do, here. And I do -- but that doesn't mean I know what to expect to find, and I probably wouldn't have dug all the way down into the foil range.
So, with that background, can you answer an ignorant question for me -- what is a "tombac button?"
Steve
Tim --
Appreciate that additional info. So, just for my curiosity, you say this hit mid 30s, while a nickel would be low 50s on the program you are running on your Deus. What would a mid-30s be, that I'd be familiar with. Is it lower than a beaver tail, for instance (which comes in just a little below a nickel on my Explorer)? Sounds like it would be quite a bit lower than a beaver tail, unless there is TREMENDOUS resolution in those lower VDI numbers on the Deus. Mid 30s for that ring, and low 50s for a nickel, would sound like we are talking WAY down into the foil range, like lower than a .22 bullet, or .22 casing, and down into the "small piece of foil" range? I could see how it could register below a nickel, but even below a .22 round?
WOW. If so, then I understand even better your "dig everything" comment. Like EVERYTHING everything...
I'm guessing (as I am sure you already know) you have a very high-carat ring there...22-24. A BEAUTY!
Steve
Tombacs were the most common button in use in 18th century
Just ran the ring over the coil and it's a solid 38 VDI laying flat.
That said, I also just ran a modern pull tab under the coil and that rings in at a solid 48. Conclusion, DIG EVERYTHING!
BTW Toasted, yes I thought it was going to be a button or a piece of tin...
-Tim
Thanks, toasted. So, one more "question of ignorance..." is a "tombac" button the same as a "flat button?"
A tombac is a flat button but its alloy gives it the shiny gray appearance and its lower VDI number. There were also copper flat buttons and pewter flat buttons in use at the time as well. The copper buttons usually ring in the zinc range but the pewter ones will usually ring as low as tombac. The copper and pewter buttons generally come out in poorer condition thus the tombac buttons are the most sought after as display pieces as least for me anyway
Unfortunately, I don't have a beaver tail style on hand. I throw those away when found. My assumption is that they would be higher than 38 on my machine.
-Tim