Fisher Impulse AQ detector update
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Craig in two years I will have that machine so modified it will put a smile on any Pirates face.....smaller coil, remote disc button...skullie head phones...carbon fiber shaft...custom LiPo battery.......shorten coil cable...SS fitting on the coil...even a possible doc's amp on the skullies...Also thinking of running it from the drysuit, one thing I have noticed...the excaliburs pod is affected by the saltwater specially when the water is rough, causes unnecessary noise and falsing... when the pod is exposed to those conditions...just wonder what affect removing the "AQ" control head from these conditions might do?
Come on "AQ"...
And yes, the Blue Viper has spoiled me...
Aquaman
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I've stopped paying attention to this thread (well, except to post this).
I've stopped paying attention to this thread (well, except to post this).
As you should... these guys are going to wait and wait... then wait some more...
.......As you should... these guys are going to wait and wait... then wait some more...
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Slimpickuns
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Whats really impressive is the view count on this thread!
You will just have to wait and see....Keep taking the bait Joe... this is so easy
I have serious question now... are you going to tear apart a detector "if it ever comes out" while its under warranty? I sure hope you don't accidentally snip something or worse...
Come on "AQ"
zeemang
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I think they will come out with maybe 3 units, all to be tested internally at Fisher, and then come out with the new, and improved AQ2 for the general public
Surf Master
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The Big Kahuna
A dream machine thread coming up on 50 thousand view's , might be 100k by the time it's available , Joe , Craig might be wright , you think we should check out the Old Folk's home's
The QP said i already have arthritis in my back 
, Find one with a boat slip , we can take the pirate ship's out full of russian girls' watch them work our Excal's in shallow water , and keep the 
A dream machine thread coming up on 50 thousand view's , might be 100k by the time it's available , Joe , Craig might be wright , you think we should check out the Old Folk's home's
The QP said i already have arthritis in my back , Find one with a boat slip , we can take the pirate ship's out full of russian girls' watch them work our Excal's in shallow water , and keep the 
You will just have to wait and see....
Come on "AQ"
While all you guys wait for this overpriced PI guys are out there doing very well with the Whites TDI beach hunter just because a couple guys tried to push too much power causing some condensation you are turned off on it... well I know guys who are doing very well with them using 14 volts and its deep and can knock out iron for more than half the price... if I get another pulse I will go with a Whites pulse... the whites pulse machines found me hundreds of pieces of gold over the years...
No amount of wishful thinking is going to get this out to the retail market... they have you by the short hairs
Maybe you can explain why last year and this non-winter all these video's and talking up of this detector and how soon it was coming out was all BS?
None of the video's impressed me especially the one where they tried comparing this new PI against the NOX... that was most ridiculous video to make... putting a pulse up against a VLF type detector.... the guy digging couldn't PP to save his life with the AQ from what I saw.. I guess they were trying to show the AQ being super deep... well all it showed was he was out of his element.. he has no clue how to hunt with a pulse..... none of the targets he found were super deep... I have dug deeper with the Dual Field...
I really hope if you guys buy one... if they come out you aren't disappointed because right now I don't see it as being deeper than anything else on the market today...
dewcon
Quality Control Expert
Zee.... they already did...... and did a RECALL on all three....AND thats after their testers AND the CEO used one (who found something he didnt like....and he dont hunt as far as i can tell)..... go figure. Getting to be like the Pulse Devil..... it was an exciting machine by what appeared to be a talented designer. I have no doubt it will come out.... but if there are issues like not being able to run 7uS IN the salt water or poor disc..... id kind of like to know that so i can then decide if its still worth that suggested price tag.
Joe..... hopefully you wont have to do that much modification. If you tare it apart (before the Russians do) give us a good shot of it. I can see you doing something about that .... leave it in the truck battery system and headphones, but im not sure about that PP switch and shaft. Ill have to see how nose heavy it is with that large coil. NOW.... if you can get a 9" coil i think you could have an improvement.... UNLESS you loose all that depth.
Last week hunted a beach with a lot of pushed up iron so i grabbed the Xcal. It took some getting used to again. Even it sounded so noisy to me.
Joe..... hopefully you wont have to do that much modification. If you tare it apart (before the Russians do) give us a good shot of it. I can see you doing something about that .... leave it in the truck battery system and headphones, but im not sure about that PP switch and shaft. Ill have to see how nose heavy it is with that large coil. NOW.... if you can get a 9" coil i think you could have an improvement.... UNLESS you loose all that depth.
Last week hunted a beach with a lot of pushed up iron so i grabbed the Xcal. It took some getting used to again. Even it sounded so noisy to me.
I am curious how many TDI Beachhunters are out there - and of that bunch, how many are running “stock” machines - without modified power systems.
The case that the TDIBH is in is actually pretty bad. The very large volume of air in it make it prone to condensation from the greater heat generated by the TDI circuitry, compared to the BHID’s DFX based board. To the best of my knowledge, when Carl Moreland was Chief Engineer at Whites, he passed on the idea of using that case as the basis for a waterproof TDI on grounds of heat generated. His own project for a beach TDI (whatever it was - I have no info on that) never made it to production - likely because Whites has a minuscule R&D budget.
Another issue with the BHID/BHTDI case is that it is not especially rigid, those large flat surfaces deflect easily with pressure. The little tabs which lock the case halves together have a tendency to crack if not very carefully torqued. I had two used ones, they both had cracks in the tabs. Not a great design.
As far as AQ depth compared to other machines, no test video will convince doubters - nor should it. Real shared data will emerge when folks like OBN get theirs and at that point, folks on this forum, recognizing their credibility, will have a basis to make up their minds about the AQ for THEIR “job to be done” - their conditions, their targets and yes - their trash!
Lastly, every detector manufacturer has had issues around the introduction of new machines. Delays (Equinox and Vanquish slow production ramp-up), problems with early unit performance (Garrett, FTP and Whites all have had this happen as far as I can recall), and outright flops like the ML Go-Find are all too common. Taking LOTS of care in introducing a new product is a good idea.
The case that the TDIBH is in is actually pretty bad. The very large volume of air in it make it prone to condensation from the greater heat generated by the TDI circuitry, compared to the BHID’s DFX based board. To the best of my knowledge, when Carl Moreland was Chief Engineer at Whites, he passed on the idea of using that case as the basis for a waterproof TDI on grounds of heat generated. His own project for a beach TDI (whatever it was - I have no info on that) never made it to production - likely because Whites has a minuscule R&D budget.
Another issue with the BHID/BHTDI case is that it is not especially rigid, those large flat surfaces deflect easily with pressure. The little tabs which lock the case halves together have a tendency to crack if not very carefully torqued. I had two used ones, they both had cracks in the tabs. Not a great design.
As far as AQ depth compared to other machines, no test video will convince doubters - nor should it. Real shared data will emerge when folks like OBN get theirs and at that point, folks on this forum, recognizing their credibility, will have a basis to make up their minds about the AQ for THEIR “job to be done” - their conditions, their targets and yes - their trash!
Lastly, every detector manufacturer has had issues around the introduction of new machines. Delays (Equinox and Vanquish slow production ramp-up), problems with early unit performance (Garrett, FTP and Whites all have had this happen as far as I can recall), and outright flops like the ML Go-Find are all too common. Taking LOTS of care in introducing a new product is a good idea.
beachrumbum
Senior Member
Dew, I can tell you with most certainty that 7us in the water will be out of the question. No pi I have ever run has been particularly quiet in the water except for the sand shark. The tdi can be quieted down by running a higher us. It will work at 10 but one has to have coil control and be meticulous about it. There is a ramping threshold on most machines running less than 20 or so is as waves pass over the coil.
Surf Master
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Since it was on the back burner, than moved to the closet , now goes to Rip , till the Fisher resurrection of a PI better than any other worth that price tag, otherwise from what I've seen , the Whites Surf Pi Big Yellow Walks The Dog , they might as well leave the AQ in the grave yard , we're can I send flower's . Oh well looks like fishing equipment comes 1st , after all the hype, the wait , the hope , sounds like I could do better with a bucket of chum , all I see here now is , we have alot of customers who were at one time willing to open up there wallets , in my case I just closed volt door , Rip AQ , Joe I'll deposit some cash in the Old Folks Home account , I figure by the time it comes out , you can mod away , to bring that machine up to par with the Whites pi Df ------- 2035 PS My worst night mare would be spending big bucks for a machine hunting 60 blocks coming up as Gold Slumpy , wishing I had my Ctx, Equinox , or Df with me for the job .
Since it was on the back burner, than moved to the closet , now goes to Rip , till the Fisher resurrection of a PI better than any other worth that price tag, otherwise from what I've seen , the Whites Surf Pi Big Yellow Walks The Dog , they might as well leave the AQ in the grave yard , we're can I send flower's . Oh well looks like fishing equipment comes 1st , after all the hype, the wait , the hope , sounds like I could do better with a bucket of chum , all I see here now is , we have alot of customers who were at one time willing to open up there wallets , in my case I just closed volt door , Rip AQ , Joe I'll deposit some cash in the Old Folks Home account , I figure by the time it comes out , you can mod away , to bring that machine up to par with the Whites pi Df ------- 2035
PS My worst night mare would be spending big bucks for a machine hunting 60 blocks coming up as Gold Slumpy , wishing I had my Ctx, Equinox , or Df with me for the job .
dewcon
Quality Control Expert
But 7uS running in the water silently was/is the huge appeal as is disc for this machine. Joes after depth....based on his conditions will it or won’t it? Me I’m after disc .... the one reason most of us here in Fl don’t run a PI. Couple of inches isn’t worth time vs pay out over a VLF. That depth gap and sensitivity gap closed even more for wet and dry hunting with the Nox and MDT. Joes also thinking mods.... something I hope I need very little of .... except that limited battery pack....ugh. Limited first run.... will Rick be the ONLY source? How long after will they get blessed and easily obtained? Or will they just start on the upgraded digital machine?
Carl had the design for the TDI ... May be why Fisher moved away from the BOX which took some time. From what I understand he’s in NV and isn’t that involved.
Carl had the design for the TDI ... May be why Fisher moved away from the BOX which took some time. From what I understand he’s in NV and isn’t that involved.
The AQ design and the TDI design are very different. About the only thing that they have in common is that they are both two-channel PI detectors.
Carl Moreland is Chief Engineer at FTP and is responsible for electronic engineering across all product lines. Like many of FTP’s key employees, he works remotely a good deal of the time from his home in Oregon.
As far as AQ running at 7 microseconds in salt water, Carl reported using a prototype in running salt water in Oregon at minimum pulse delay without difficulty. It is correct that as water depth increases, A Pi will “see” a larger “target” from the salt water, and adjustments would have to be made to controls to cope. These include recovery speed (ATS), sensitivity as well as pulse delay. Fortunately these are all adjustable on the AQ.
You will note that the blue “set point” dot on the Pulse delay control is at 8 microseconds. This is the initial set up recommendation. 7 msc is quite usable in many but certainly not all conditions.
Carl Moreland is Chief Engineer at FTP and is responsible for electronic engineering across all product lines. Like many of FTP’s key employees, he works remotely a good deal of the time from his home in Oregon.
As far as AQ running at 7 microseconds in salt water, Carl reported using a prototype in running salt water in Oregon at minimum pulse delay without difficulty. It is correct that as water depth increases, A Pi will “see” a larger “target” from the salt water, and adjustments would have to be made to controls to cope. These include recovery speed (ATS), sensitivity as well as pulse delay. Fortunately these are all adjustable on the AQ.
You will note that the blue “set point” dot on the Pulse delay control is at 8 microseconds. This is the initial set up recommendation. 7 msc is quite usable in many but certainly not all conditions.
I will agree with you on the TDI box... it should have had its own box and not the BH 300 box but that doesn't take away from its performance.. not everyone has the condensation issues... I have been borrowing my friends TDI beach hunter and its one of the smoothest PI's I have ever run and its very deep... I can't show you as I don't use a video or camera for that matter because my spots are private and I want to keep them that way Rick...
And you are correct each new detector can have issues... my problem is how so many talked this AQ up before the kinks were removed... its been a huge turn off for me....
Let them work on it for a year or two and maybe then parachute it down into the water..
Joe would you parachute out of a plane for us in your dry suit and AQ?
Now you’ve gone and done it - given away Fisher’s surprise product launch plan. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I guess i can post this pic of Carl Moreland, Tim Mallory, Mike Scott and others practicing the launch.
And folks ask why it’s taking so long!!!
And folks ask why it’s taking so long!!!
