Equinox RANT

[ScubaDetective]

Agreed 100 percent, i have owned almost everything, all machines are not even close to equal. I agree also somewhat with Scuba, i know a someone that with over 40 years with many many machines , could probably take a $150 machine and take me to the cleaners.

So ultimately yes and no Scuba.

What I meant and the way I said it was a bit off. As long as a machine sees a target it will react. Each machine puts that reaction in your ears differently.

Some will be a good solid beep, some will be a scratchy beep, some will be a slight change in threshold. We all know there are machines that will get deeper targets than others.

So any machine that give you a reaction on a target, it is up to you to evaluate and decide or not to dig it. Of course if your machine can't see deep targets you are going to miss them period.

I am just saying MOST of the time the tool helps BUT, ultimately the user is the one that should get the praise if he digs a good target not the machine.

Again, a SOLID zinc penny signal can be a zincoln, a screw cap, a large shotgun head stamp, a 10.00 eagle, an indian penny or a huge gold ring, or a multitude of other things that are not likely.

Is it the machine that decides to dig? NO. It is just a tool to tell you something is there.

You don't praise my CZ-21 when I find a huge gold ring or chain. So we shouldn't praise the Equinox or any other machine. Praise the user.

 

[matmit]

I have said on another forum that I have gone over a site with the Nox pretty well and then gone over the same site again with the Nox and found things I missed the first time. Therefor....the Nox is better than the Nox.

Absolutely love this!!!
We discussed it tonight at our meeting and most agreed that they have found things a few minutes later in an area they just hunted and missed

 

[ScubaDetective]

Absolutely love this!!!
We discussed it tonight at our meeting and most agreed that they have found things a few minutes later in an area they just hunted and missed

Yep. Go over it again and you will find more.


So are these a CZ-21 success story or are they a scubadetector success story?

 

[aaronc]

But muh youtube and post counts!?!?!?!?!?!



In over 60 years of living, I've only seen one other time where so many bought into such a load.....

and I'm glad those 8 years are over

 

[Trashfinder]

What I meant and the way I said it was a bit off. As long as a machine sees a target it will react. Each machine puts that reaction in your ears differently.

Some will be a good solid beep, some will be a scratchy beep, some will be a slight change in threshold. We all know there are machines that will get deeper targets than others.

So any machine that give you a reaction on a target, it is up to you to evaluate and decide or not to dig it. Of course if your machine can't see deep targets you are going to miss them period.

I am just saying MOST of the time the tool helps BUT, ultimately the user is the one that should get the praise if he digs a good target not the machine.

Again, a SOLID zinc penny signal can be a zincoln, a screw cap, a large shotgun head stamp, a 10.00 eagle, an indian penny or a huge gold ring, or a multitude of other things that are not likely.

Is it the machine that decides to dig? NO. It is just a tool to tell you something is there.

You don't praise my CZ-21 when I find a huge gold ring or chain. So we shouldn't praise the Equinox or any other machine. Praise the user.

I got it now, ya nice point.

 

[edr2]

But muh youtube and post counts!?!?!?!?!?!



In over 60 years of living, I've only seen one other time where so many bought into such a load.....

and I'm glad those 8 years are over

Now that's funny right there

 

[chillforlife]

Good, bad or indifferent I never really understood why some insist their machine (and this is not limited to the Equinox by the way) is the absolute best thing since the last best thing.
Why does it matter so much that people end up getting angry and frustrated and resort to insults??

I have the 800, the Impact and the AT Pro, they're all capable machines in their own way but I'd never be so presumptuous as to insist one was the best thing ever and force it down people's throats.

It just doesn't matter (to me anyway) and besides it being a waste of time you will just stress yourself out, and... stress will kill you...

Get out there, swing whatever machine you have, think happy thoughts and find something interesting.

Some people can't afford a damn bounty hunter and here we are spending big bucks chasing the rainbow and getting all upset because not everyone agrees with you...

There are so many other important things in life...

Absolutely awesome post. Couldn't have said it better.

 

[graybeard]

Yep. Go over it again and you will find more.


So are these a CZ-21 success story or are they a scubadetector success story?

There are two ways to look at that the CZ 21 did not drown.
Without you swing the detector over the rings and knowing what to listen for they would still be where they were.

So it is more the operator, not the detector.

 

[ohiochris]

I am saying IF you get a beep no matter what machine, you have to decide to dig it and get junk or a good target.

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Well first of all , the machine has to be able to alert you to the target and when you start talking about depth , masking , separation , the more these factors are an issue the shorter the list of detectors that are effective enough. It dont matter how experienced you are or how well you know your machine , if its silent over a target or alerts you in some way that you decide its not worth your time then you really might do better with an upgrade.


You have to decide to dig or not , but unless you have some sort of ESP that lets you see what the detector cant , your decision is based almost entirely on what the detector is telling you. Some tell you much more than others. One detector calls a 10 inch silver quarter iron......if it alerts you to anything at all.......all your experience dont amount to a hill of beans in this situation. But another detector nails the 10 inch silver quarter and either correctly identifies it or atleast throws a high tone.......you can think the detector dont matter all you want , .....but it certainly does.

 

[ohiochris]

There are two ways to look at that the CZ 21 did not drown.
Without you swing the detector over the rings and knowing what to listen for they would still be where they were.

So it is more the operator, not the detector.

The operator couldnt find any of that unless the machine told him it was there and might be what he was searching for. Its very likely that " some " detectors may not have located all those finds for one reason or another , and obviously the operator has preferences on which detector he uses and trusts to find him the goods......so also obviously , the particular machine used really does matter.

Its not all the machine either , its more like how the operator and machine mesh together. But if you mesh with a very limited machine the odds are good you will be less productive.

 

[ScubaDetective]

Well first of all , the machine has to be able to alert you to the target and when you start talking about depth , masking , separation , the more these factors are an issue the shorter the list of detectors that are effective enough. It dont matter how experienced you are or how well you know your machine , if its silent over a target or alerts you in some way that you decide its not worth your time then you really might do better with an upgrade.


You have to decide to dig or not , but unless you have some sort of ESP that lets you see what the detector cant , your decision is based almost entirely on what the detector is telling you. Some tell you much more than others. One detector calls a 10 inch silver quarter iron......if it alerts you to anything at all.......all your experience dont amount to a hill of beans in this situation. But another detector nails the 10 inch silver quarter and either correctly identifies it or atleast throws a high tone.......you can think the detector dont matter all you want , .....but it certainly does.

Chris, you quoted me but went on to talk about silent targets and a detector saying a 10" deep quarter is iron.

Originally Posted by ScubaDetector View post

I am saying IF you get a beep no matter what machine, you have to decide to dig it and get junk or a good target.

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IF you know your machine, you will know a deep quarter gives an iron signal. You also will know by the beep it is a deep signal. So I am kind of lost as to what you are trying to say.

Of course if you have a beginner machine or some others and you can't get a signal you will have no idea something is deeper than what your machine can handle.

Even your Equinox and EVERY OTHER machine out there tells you good targets are JUNK, and junk targets are good. You cannot name one machine that is accurate. Won't happen

A SOLID zinc penny signal can be a zincoln, a screw cap, a large shotgun head stamp, a 10.00 eagle, an indian penny or a huge gold ring, or a multitude of other things that are not likely.

BUT 98% of the time probably it will be a zincoln. Way less than 1% of the time it will be a gold coin or ring.

 

[ScubaDetective]

There are two ways to look at that the CZ 21 did not drown.
Without you swing the detector over the rings and knowing what to listen for they would still be where they were.

So it is more the operator, not the detector.

LOL since the CZ-21 can go 250' underwater it better not drown! I keep all my diving above 65 foot deep and all my metal detecting while diving above 35 foot deep.

 

[ohiochris]

Chris, you quoted me but went on to talk about silent targets and a detector saying a 10" deep quarter is iron.

Originally Posted by ScubaDetector View post

I am saying IF you get a beep no matter what machine, you have to decide to dig it and get junk or a good target.

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IF you know your machine, you will know a deep quarter gives an iron signal. You also will know by the beep it is a deep signal. So I am kind of lost as to what you are trying to say.

Of course if you have a beginner machine or some others and you can't get a signal you will have no idea something is deeper than what your machine can handle.

Even your Equinox and EVERY OTHER machine out there tells you good targets are JUNK, and junk targets are good. You cannot name one machine that is accurate. Won't happen

A SOLID zinc penny signal can be a zincoln, a screw cap, a large shotgun head stamp, a 10.00 eagle, an indian penny or a huge gold ring, or a multitude of other things that are not likely.

BUT 98% of the time probably it will be a zincoln. Way less than 1% of the time it will be a gold coin or ring.

The 10 inch quarter ID'd as iron is just an example , nothing specific. Most would keep walking. However its just as likely that the detector wont alert you at all , but the right detector can make a big difference here. Most would walk past a deep iron signal but if the detector is capable of identifying the quarter , or at the very least throw you a high tone you are going to check it out. The detector has to be able to hit the target before it can hand the decision off to you. I think you would agree that all detectors arent equal , so the skill and experience of the person with their machine means nothing if the machine is not up to the task. I dont really think we disagree on anything here , just looking at it from a different perspective.

 

[ScubaDetective]

The 10 inch quarter ID'd as iron is just an example , nothing specific. Most would keep walking. However its just as likely that the detector wont alert you at all , but the right detector can make a big difference here. Most would walk past a deep iron signal but if the detector is capable of identifying the quarter , or at the very least throw you a high tone you are going to check it out. The detector has to be able to hit the target before it can hand the decision off to you. I think you would agree that all detectors arent equal , so the skill and experience of the person with their machine means nothing if the machine is not up to the task. I dont really think we disagree on anything here , just looking at it from a different perspective.

AGREED. We do not disagree on anything. Some detectors are way better than others. But any machine that gives you a signal no matter if it is a good or bad signal means there is something in the ground. And it is up to the user to decide if he wants to take the chance on digging a signal his machine might identify as trash.

Knowing your machine is the KEY. And not praising the machine that finds something is another KEY. It is the user and his digging that deserves the attaboy. Not another NOX find.

 

[coin chaser]

So I gotta admit, I was caught up with all the nox talk. Totally intrigued and curious. It’s not in my budget now but man I totally was thinking about them. A buddy of mine has one and brought it over the other day. I swung it for about ten minutes in the front yard. That was that lmao I don’t feel the need to get one at this point! It totally reminded me of learning the ctx and my frustration. At times I wanted to wrap the ctx around a tree and thought it was a bunch of hype. I kept at it though and eventually learned it’s language and what it was telling me. When I was swinging the nox it was like trying to order food in a foreign country. I had no clue what was going on or what the heck it was trying to tell me. Now I know I spent no time with it I’m just saying I’m not sure I want to deal with the frustrations of learning another language. I’m still intrigued as far as river hunting goes but that’s simple “dig everything but iron” hunting.

 

[woodbutcher]

The 10 inch quarter ID'd as iron is just an example , nothing specific. Most would keep walking. However its just as likely that the detector wont alert you at all , but the right detector can make a big difference here. Most would walk past a deep iron signal but if the detector is capable of identifying the quarter , or at the very least throw you a high tone you are going to check it out. The detector has to be able to hit the target before it can hand the decision off to you. I think you would agree that all detectors arent equal , so the skill and experience of the person with their machine means nothing if the machine is not up to the task. I dont really think we disagree on anything here , just looking at it from a different perspective.

Ohiochris,I have had some good deep machines,the Etrac for example.Put a lot of time on it,hunted more yards and fields than I could ever count.i have never dug a 10 inch coin,ever.I honestly don’t think there’s a deeper machine made than the Etrac,maybe some just as deep,but not really deeper that can identify a coin as a coin and not iron.
With that being said I have dug some 7 and 8 inch coins,maybe a 5 in my whole life that we’re 9 inches.Coins just don’t seem to sink that deep in my Pennsylvania soil.
I’ve found barbers from the 1800s that were 3 inches deep.My point is maybe depth is important for some,but not for others.If a machine will get me 6 to maybe 7 inches I’m fine,I really doubt I’m missing anything,because I’ve never really found anything deeper with the Etrac.So If a Machine calls a 9 inch coin iron in a test,it matters very little to me,and really shouldn’t matter to most.Cause from all the videos I watch,and seeing the plugs cut I don’t think I’ve seen a few out of hundreds we’re the coin was past 6 to 7 inches deep.Thats all machines in all the videos I’ve watched on YouTube.

 

[ghound]

Human without a detector = surface finds, and a pat on the back.
Human with a detector = below surface finds, pat on the back for the detector, because it was the detector that found it.

 

[Cherry Picker]

As has been said this thread is about the importance of knowing how to use any detector to the very best it can be. Without a doubt not all detectors are equal no matter how good you know how to use it. I have mastered the DFX believe me, but there are many detectors out there that go much deeper. IF I'm looking for really deep coins I'd use a detector that will do the job best.

 

[Martin_V3i]

My guess is that while you were learning a new machine that you had the tendency to dig iffy targets that others might not have dug writing them off as junk. I bought a MX Sport and took it to a school that I had pounded with 2 other machines and had dug loads of wheat cents. Guess what, 1st time out I dug a silver dime that I had had missed with the other two. Does that mean that the MX Sport makes all other machines obsolete ? I don't think so. Too many other factors to consider to give the machine all the credit. Most videos that I have seen on the Nox have shown that the VDI is very sketchy at best so stands to reason that someone might dig more masked targets as well as more junk.

"Too many other factors to consider to give the machine all the credit."

That goes in everything in life, but getting results that are actually 90% silver coins, plus getting even more general coins, all within very small spots WE HAVE ALL HERE LOCALLY re-stepping over for years....well, I for one, give a huge kudo to the machine for this fines on virgin hunts after getting it.

The NOX has a "new" language of it's own about good targets. Did I dig more iffy signals? I certainly did, as any semi experienced hunter should in testing something new. Have I dug lots if iffy signals with previous machines in those spots? Yep. Did I, a self admitted, modestly proficient metal detector person find 3 silvers here in one long week at these areas? I did years ago, not in a couple years though.

Deep coins has been amazing! It excites me when I dig one of those iffy signals and see a plain Memorial and have the entire pinpointer inside the hole. I can count the number of 10" pennies or coins I've dug with the Whites, on one hand, since 2010. 7-8-9" coin targets...very impressed with this Equinox there.

Thing about this machine as far as iffy, deeper signals, is that the trash factor has diminished a whole lot so far. Equinox doesn't tone erratically like others, so when it does, it's saying, "You better stop and listen." One way tones with this thing actually means something besides can slaw shards.

 

[ScubaDetective]

Human without a detector = surface finds, and a pat on the back.
Human with a detector = below surface finds, pat on the back for the detector, because it was the detector that found it.

NO. It was the detector that alerted you to metal under the ground, period. Your knowledge and your experience and the probability of a good target is all up to you to decide to dig it.

If you leave it because it is just a zinc penny and your buddy right behind you gets a signal and digs to find a huge gold ring, it is not his machine that decided to dig it. It was his knowledge and his wishing to know what his detector alerted him to.