Deus users using full tones (beware)

I thank everyone here for their input and responses.

Here is some additional food for thought.

I may have 2 gents coming up later this week,,one of the gents wants Deus help and Nokta Relic help.

The site we are going to if they come,,,I am going to try to do the following.
And I think folks here should try to do to.

Get you some of those small flags that can be stuck in the ground.

Let's say you go to a site,,,one of those you can roam around in a circle,,versus what I call straight line roaming.

When you are using full tones,,lower disc,,any area that produces a longer iron tone sounding thingy. Mark it with flag.

If a person is hunting using conventional disc and tones,,,any signals that switch sides of horseshoe or are chopped signals..Mark them.

Then go back and check these spots using the other detector setup vs the one that ID the spot to start with.

Your results may surprise you.

A person might want to try and put the scenario in first post here together and sweep,,,and listen to see how long the iron tone is provided for a guide of sorts.
 
Hey Mike,I was just reading Andys book and saw one of your programs mentioned in .it

I have been running full tones while relic hunting with a 5 tone program set up next to it just to double check for iron wrap around. this set up has worked very well for me.

I just recently started using my other Deus set up for coin hunting and have built a program that has just been killing it on depth, digging Wheaties and Indians and even a buff at 10+ " I am now thinking of setting up your program in the slot next to mine and see how that 5 tone works. Did you still dig a lot of nickels with your notch settings in that program? The notch looks like it would definitely knock out a lot of the nuisance targets.



I sure did dig a lot of nicks with that program and it was highly effective in high trash while eliminating them trash targets. It's a great easy program and fun to run. I am waiting patiently to purchase another Deus but that will be the first program I install. Once I do I might have to pick your brain on that deep program if you don't mind. Thanks again for reaching out and enjoy that HT program


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Great food for thought!...I dont have a Deus, but I do run Full Tones...so yeah, learning a lot of subtle tribal secrets here following along on this subject..Thank you!
 
Location, location, location. Im confident 90% of my finds could have been made with a entry level detector. Ive pounded a bunch of sites that continue to produce and more often than not it was just a case of never getting my coil over the target(no iron nearby). I rarely tweek my settings. Full tones, little or no disc, and reactivity 2 or 3(silencer-1). Compact, lightweight and wireless are the Deus's selling points for me. The ability to pull out a really deep target or a target masked by iron on ocassion is just an added bonus
 
Location, location, location. Im confident 90% of my finds could have been made with a entry level detector. Ive pounded a bunch of sites that continue to produce and more often than not it was just a case of never getting my coil over the target(no iron nearby). I rarely tweek my settings. Full tones, little or no disc, and reactivity 2 or 3(silencer-1). Compact, lightweight and wireless are the Deus's selling points for me. The ability to pull out a really deep target or a target masked by iron on ocassion is just an added bonus

Sounds like you need Ace 250 to me.
 
Ace 400 maybe. Cant stand that old bell tone

Lol
My brother has a ace 250.

He visited last week,,and I was showing him some test I wanted for him to try with his V3i with shooter coil.

After we experimented with the V3i,,,he said,,heck my 250 will hit these targets.
So he pulled it out of his truck,,,swung over and yep he got tremendous tone.

He was pumped!!
I told him to remove the coin from the setup and sweep with 250 and let's see what we hear.

I removed the coin,,and he swept,,,and it was then ALL of the air went out of his balloon.
 
nice thread Ive been thinking on this topic for awhile too.As you know I'm a big full tones fan but I have noticed the difference with the nail test and have put it in a standard tone and watched it hit the coin better . I noticed( the nuance in full tones) when I got my detector and made a hole in my test garden with 3 targets at 5 inchs musket balls and a flat button and layed five nalis a on top of them. This is where you get what I call a ramped up irony tone just above iron tone. I check these targets in the field sometimes. Most of the time its iron but it has been something good before laying in with the iron. Ive been pondering a 5 tone setup too. Do you think since my ear is trained to that ramped up iron tone I would do just as well with full tones which I love and know very well to the point I can call targets a lot of times or do you think I should try a 3 tone 4 tone program too? Thanks for the thread. I do like the 2.5 disc you suggested in the thick when my brain gets tired and my partner loves it he cant stand the iron full blast.
 
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nice thread Ive been thinking on this topic for awhile too.As you know I'm a big full tones fan but I have noticed the difference with the nail test and have put it in a standard tone and watched it hit the coin better . I noticed( the nuance in full tones) when I got my detector and made a hole in my test garden with 3 targets at 5 inchs musket balls and a flat button and layed five nalis a on top of them. This is where you get what I call a ramped up irony tone just above iron tone. I check these targets in the field sometimes. Most of the time its iron but it has been something good before laying in with the iron. Ive been pondering a 5 tone setup too. Do you think since my ear is trained to that ramped up iron tone I would do just as well with full tones which I love and know very well to the point I can call targets a lot of times or do you think I should try a 3 tone 4 tone program too? Thanks for the thread. I do like the 2.5 disc you suggested in the thick when my brain gets tired and my partner loves it he cant stand the iron full blast.


I am glad you are enjoying your Deus use Calabash.

After giving this here some serious thought I have reached the following conclusion.

It is clear to me,,,some targets will be gotten with full tones.
Some targets can be isolated using approx 2.5 disc level when using full tones,,and a user can better study them as suspect.
Some targets will likely not be found using either of the above,,,but actually by using a more conventional disc setting of 5.9-7 levels.

So what do I recommend???

Ideally a person should hunt a site,,,using all 3 methods above,,,but maybe this is not practical from a time standpoint for maybe finds (numbers) discovered.

Here is what I think will be the best (time efficient) way to cope.

Hunt a site using full tones 0 disc real well.

Then hunt site using full tones with approx 2.5 disc setting,,,but any area that gives a lot of tone here using approx 2.5 disc,,,,these areas after studied using this disc setting(s),,, if a person while over these suspect areas,,,would have an adjacent program set up in Deus,,,with the only change being having conventional disc applied,,a person could leave tone selection in full tones,,or change to more conventional tone settings as 2 tone,,3 tone. Remember ID of targets with tone provided here ID likely to be NO GOOD,,yet a very good find be a nesting. I do recommend these areas be at least swung over - giving at least a 4 way sweep.

Going this route,,,a Deus user is letting their detector by way of using the lower 2.5 disc,,,be their bird dog so to speak.

Smaller nails pieces and iron,,,these are the culprits that will least likely cause a nesting nonferrous to be harder to detect using full tones.

This running lower disc here,,,will sniff out these bigger pieces of iron,,,and we as users then can attack these spots with (raised disc settings).

Cheers.
 
More data here,,,based on some real finds found.

Hunted a site today,,,have only found very few finds here period. Hunted quite a few times using Deus with 9 and 11" coils,,CTX with stock and 6" coils.

All of my previous Deus hunts done using full tones and 0 disc,,,and using full tones disc level 2.5 on 9" coil,,and disc level 3.0 using 11" coil.

This site has always been dissapointing to me.

So today,,I thought I would give it another go.

This site when bobbing 9" coil reads one dot shy of half way on mineralization meter.

Hunt today was using 9" coil,,,with the following settings,,and the only setting changed while hunting was disc.

Full tones with disc levels at 6.0,, 2.5,, and 0.

18 kHz,,reactivity 3 silencer -1,, audio report 5,, ws4 headphones used.
Tx power 2.
Pumping ground balance done,,and I run at ground setting,,no gb manipualtion.
All hunting was done using disc level 6,, but after suspect target was found all targets were cross checked using disc levels 2.5 and 0.

I cay say with nearly 100 percent certainty,,,anyone who has used Deus and has hunted old sites littered with iron and nails using full tones and low(er) disc ,and their goal was to dig all nonferrous targets,,,they have in fact likely left nonferrous targets in the ground.

Today was very eye opening,,,and you know what they say,,,,"practice what you preach",,, based on the opening post in this thread.

So why did I miss the targets in the pic???

To describe the pic some.

The 2 things in the upper left,,,I got fooled.

The nails in the lower left,,just sample of what was dug along with the nonferrous finds. Should say the 2 buttons do contain some ferrous.
The rest grouped with them,,all nonferrous,,checked with magnet.

Now I'm posting this to share,,,folks can use their Deus units anyway they want to,,and my goal here is definitely not to insult any Deus user period.

So what about these targets,,,I sure didn't find them on my previous hunts.
Did I miss them???

Yes and no.

I need to explain here,,,all the nonferrous targets and the 2 buttons dug today,,,only one of them sounded better using full tones and either 0 or 2.5 disc.

Now some of the finds did produce ample tone signature to dig using full tones and 2.5 disc and 0 disc.

A few did not.

But again why did I miss them to start with on all my previous hunts??
Did I swing a coil over??
I did,,I in fact know I did,,there is a landmark,,and I Was familiar with where I had hunted in the past,,,and actually where I concentrated most of my efforts.

Deus is a fantastic devil, hunting in nail pits.
Whomever engineered this monster,,,they deserve a cigar!!!

Why do I say this???

There is one very significant difference when a person chooses to run low(er) disc vs more traditional disc settings.

So what is the disadvantage to running full tones using low(er) disc???
The Deus when hunting in carpet of nails gives you no or little information as far as coil placement.
Granted a person with extreme minute coil progression might alleviate some of this disadvantage,,but their is also a coil sweep speed disadvantage too.

So what happens when you use Deus in more traditional disc setting???
The Deus will in this configuration,,,,become a real BIRD DOG.
What do I mean by this.
When the detector's disc is broken by a nonferrous target scenario it will give a tone,,with a whole lot more coil position location forgiveness and coil sweep speed forgiveness.

So when the detectors disc is broken by a target,,,user can many times start trying to find out by altering coil position where the target is,,,and when they find this place (spot).,, with very controlled coil movement and position,,the Deus will give the needed audio to make a dig decision.

These same target using full tones,,with 0 or 2.5 disc,,,.Deus coil position has to be more exact to get a stop and investigate signal. So in an iron pit,,you would be hearing worse tone,,or low grunts,,if coil is out of position moreso vs disc level 6 for example. (You don't get an investigate signal)

Today,,I didn't even get out of a 4 ft by 9.5 ft square. Some finds found less than a foot apart,,actually 4 were found in a less then 3ft square area.

These targets were a bear to recover,,,I intentionally dug smaller diameter holes,,and every single target,,most had multiple nails in the hole,,and most of the nails actually recovered before target,,,nails were shallower than good targets,,in all cases.

Sometimes,,I Would almost get bluffed with finding the nails,,but I know what I heard to begin with,,,and stayed with trying to locate nonferrous target.

The fence steeple and square nail,,I think I got fooled by them,,,but my overall percentages of holes dug with a good target was very high. I was impressed by this.

Now,,the Deus does offer it seems some superior unmasking,,,even with a9" coil,, I have also had some good luck with 11" coil.

I think the actual coil size diameters and shape on Deus is a driving factor for a lot of its unmasking abilities.

The big question I guess,is what will the newer almost release coils offer,,or how will they compare to existing coils when it comes to separation and unmasking.

The current coils,,are in my book deadly performing.

 
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Great info tnss! I have always hunted without any discrimination but will definitely be trying disc set at around 6 next time I'm out with the Deus. Thanks for posting!


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Great info tnss! I have always hunted without any discrimination but will definitely be trying disc set at around 6 next time I'm out with the Deus. Thanks for posting!


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You are welcome.

Just think,,Deus went head to head against itself.

While I'm here,,I have noticed this,,and have seen at least one other person say the same thing.

Not scientific yet,,but I've seen Deus seem to give lower tone when the ground is drier,,on lower conductors,,using full tones low(er) disc.

I might have to experiment some with this this summer,,to see if I can nail it down moreso.
And to see how conventional disc setting does here too.

I will also say,,I will be leaving one of my Deus units in versions 3.2 and load 4.0 into the other,,and do some comparisons.
To see if 4.0 is different or whatever.
 
Just installed V4 beta and looking forward to trying it out tomorrow. I noticed the hot program is set up almost exactly how I run mine on sites with a lot of iron... full tones, silencer -1, reactivity at 3, etc. The only difference is the disc level is at 6.5. I'm gonna try this one as is for a few days and see how it goes.


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Just installed V4 beta and looking forward to trying it out tomorrow. I noticed the hot program is set up almost exactly how I run mine on sites with a lot of iron... full tones, silencer -1, reactivity at 3, etc. The only difference is the disc level is at 6.5. I'm gonna try this one as is for a few days and see how it goes.


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Imagine that,,,disc being at 6.5.

Now honestly I didn't know squat about version 4. Except pinpointer really.

Now I do.

Maybe I'm on to some thing then.

I have another couple sites,,,where full tones have been run mostly,,,real old sites.

May try tomorrow or Monday and just see.
You know,,my what I call detector proving grounds.
 
This makes one ponder now, but then again in searching plowed fields, they'll be mixing and reorienting things up again. Next time when they disc in April/May.

Could work in my favor, or against. Some fields not much iron, some peppered & usually that's where some finds still evade.
 
Here is the $64,000 question.

Does higher mineral aggravate or increase the difference here I'm seeing between disc 6 setting and lower disc like 0 and 2.5???

Possibly,I have no way currently of knowing.
No mild ground.

Bottom line,,,a person hunting carpet of nails doesn't have to listen as good all the time using conventional disc.

Now after a suspect area under coil breaks the disc,,,then an op will need to be on their toes,,,especially after they eventually get the coil honed in on the spot that is giving what seems like the purest (best) signal.

Letting the Deus hunt for you more by doing this.
Instead of the user doing more of the work.

Don't have to be too sharp,,,to hear the detector break the disc.
I love it.
Btw,,in case anyone is interested,,after I got done with Deus,,I put the CTX with 6" coil over the site some,,open screen combined.

Woo wee,,I couldn't find a single coil position,,even with wiggles where the CTX wouldn't a buzzing with iron tone.

Btw,,I am seeing using full tones with 0 disc now as more of a recon way to hunt. To show these areas with the machine gun fire of ferrous material.
Then after you locate this machine gun fire,,,change disc to approx level 6 and rock and roll.

Now where could a person run into some difficulties using say disc 6??
In an area where the nails or iron bits are bigger,,so a person may have to up the disc a bit.
And I really don't know yet,,is their a disc setting that is too high-- past the point of no return,,when it comes to unmasking in ferrous materials. If so,,then full tones low(er) disc here may be the solution.

Remember Deus has I think the more incremented disc setting available on detector,,maybe this is why.

Also,,is it possible in cleaner ground whereby 0 disc might be deeper??
Possibly.

Full tones,,seems to jam the Deus in a way for audio reporting in carpet of nails,
Tone seems is more polluted over some of the same targets today when comparing--on the edges of tone (signal).

And some thing else I have always noticed since version 3.2release.

The same nonferrous target,,,even a solo sitting,,,tone provided with 0 disc is murmured moreso--lower sounding,,,even dialing in 2.5 disc,,tone pitch increase slightly.

Strange I know,,,but it does happen,,I don't know the cause really.

And another question worth pondering,,,could Xp have offered a 0 disc setup,,where ferrous was auto disced out,,,,sorta like 1n tones on F75dst units??
 
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