10 ft cut.......... UPDATE

[Sandcrab]

wow, what a post SSC. I got the "100 to 200 per each gold ring", by long-time observations of lots of So. CA beach hunter tallies. That's also about the average for Santa Cruz main up our way, which mimic's so. CA look & feel & traffic/usage. No, I have not hunted Montage or Aliso. I assumed them to be akin to other So. CA beaches. But you'll see I noted that the averages depend on the touristy-ness, versus local/industrial-ness.

As for the rest of what you said, wow. No, no one got burned. I tried and tried to reach him, and ... unknowingly had only his work contact info (of which he was not to check those in-boxes till over a day later). I know you ... uh .... Mean well ....... but you may want to ... uh ... check the tone of your post.

The Touristy-ness??? What the heck is that?? Those beaches mentioned in this post for So Cal are empty compared to others. Half of that beach you can't swim, too rough, too steep. Now you want to back peddle, so I am now calling you on it. You burned Raider, I remember. Whose tallies??? Seriously. I may not post any of my finds recently, partially because I have been under the weather. But I have never put a post up about what I found and then was a long wait. Now you are giving advise about a beach you know nothing about. I am no rookie at this game, So why did he not find anything? I was at that beach twice, before anyone posted anything. I did real well. Tell me then why??? He used a CTX, I used an old machine. An antique by many.

So why don't we take Huntington Beach. It gets lots of tourists, fisherman, and has a dog beach. So with your thinking, the dog beach is a poor hunting area? Yes or no? Check my tone? Really, you come off as this grand master. You have stated when there is erosion that a person should use a certain type of machine. Really? As for the last couple weeks I will put my finds against anyone, not just for numbers, but value. But I am waiting till I have drained the spots, and I am not in some competition saying look at me. I do it for reasons you probably would not understand. I went back and checked your posts, you do seem to like to stir the pot. So now I am asking you straight up, why did the person not find anything? Why? I was down there today and found targets. So what was the difference? You use the generalization other So cal beaches. Which ones? State them? Exactly which beaches are you comparing to? Please don't PM me, put it all here in black and white. It would be like me giving advise to Dew, Craig, Itsa, or even you on particulars on exact beaches in their area. You get into this detail, but then it gets cloudy, and becomes "well I really did not say it that way." But for you Tom I will post every find when the beaches peter out.

Hi Tom,
I would say your ratio estimate is pretty accurate for me at least. I really had my hopes up as the conditions were so much better for success yesterday. And weird little or no silver. I did have some pennies sound off outside of my set ignore range and dug a few just to check.
SSC,
As you seem to know the area, would you now advise trying south in some of the less popular beaches? Even at Main Beach Laguna or CDM I've come across old silver in the past. Looking for bling or cool looking mercury's or buffalos. Love the CTX but wish it was lighter.

I will put it to you this way, you have a couple posts, this is a public forum, if you think that it is not trolled, you are crazy. I have been hunting in So Cal for many years, but you want places, names, and what to do? Honestly? I spent years figuring out this area, my time, my effort, my thinking and saying what is going on when there were cuts, troughs, ripples, even shells and rocks, but nothing. There are areas that have been poor for a while now. It is not from other hunters, most I have no concern about them. If someone I knew from lets say FL or CT, was coming out. I would go out and check the beaches, check my journals, and try my hardest to get them on ground. Even loan them my machines if need be. But 2 posts and you wanting places. Can't do it, I am not burning spots that took me too darn long to really understand. If I am coming off as an jerk, I dont mean to be. If the roles were reversed, I believe you would agree. I try to give solid info if I can, not push the newest machine or tool. But what is good for the area. But when you start stating beaches, you are only hurting yourself. Someone that is good, really good, will clean it out. Thankfully in So Cal there are only a couple I know of, and so far no one has figured out who I am, and I am hoping to keep it that way.

~SSC

 

[Tom_in_CA]

SSC, I'm taken back by your post (the part of it directed at me). I count 8 questions there directed/accused at me in the space of 2 paragraphs. For daring to take a stab at someone's question? And then you draw in old stuff that had utterly nothing to do with the current topic. As much as I would like to answer each one of the 8 (as they are clearly meant to criticize, stir, anger, etc....), yet ..... since it appears no one but you seems to angry right now, I'll save the space here.

 

[solcalpete]

The problem with Aliso and a few of it's neighbors is that they are rough, very rough and the waves at these places are nearly always huge!
Even going there at 4:30 am thursday for 5:30 low tide, i had 2 hours before the waves were coming back to the cut.
The slope is short and very steep. most of the good stuff went straight out to sea.
Probably why all i got were chains.
I was somewhat disappointed that they were all i got, but like someone mentioned, compared to other beaches they're very quiet.
Aliso beach along with lots of other beaches through Laguna,as a few people here might remember,were literally stripped of sand back in 1998 after a huge storm.
That may well explain a lack of old coins and why i only got 1 silver coin from it all.
The chances are that 1 was just a stray that someone had in their pocket by accident.
I had 2 good hits there and then called it.
Yes there are still hundreds of targets there, and this place may well be worth another visit when that 10 foot cuts decides to collapse.When that happens another 5 foot of untouched beach gets exposed. So i'll be keeping my eye on it.

 

[Bklein]

Hi Ssc,
I have been detecting for about 4 years. I do both beaches and deserts. For the beach I had been using a surfmaster and later a surfmaster pro. Awesome detectors at the beach but I tired of getting hairpins and ferrous junk. The ctx is awesome. Never directly compared the two but let's just say you would do just as good with either. So now it is a learning experience for the user - learn the beaches and get experience. When I was out Thursday I met a detectorist named Dick Waters. He has found over 4000 rings and been on mag covers. So I was in a worthy place as he drove a few hours to get there. But he didn't get much that day either. But he used to do more work in the water than wet sand. So I'm left wondering if hardcore guys like you did well or is it more like the stuff either is covered or pulled out to sea? One thing I did experience and that I read in books about is the softer sand had little and harder darker sand had the content.
There is little advice in the books as to how to work areas that have experience this kind of erosion. I rather learn from the experienced than from experience...

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... people here might remember,were literally stripped of sand back in 1998 after a huge storm. That may well explain a lack of old coins ..........

Good observation. There are some beaches where old coins "come back in" with the spring/summer sand buildup. But other beaches where I wonder if that ever happens. Seems the incoming sand is sterile. Such that subsequent storm erosion events either have to a) go deeper than the previous episodes, or b) go back further into the dunes. I know of some beaches that ........ following the 1982-83 storms, never again put out a silver coin (aside from an occasional fluke). That doesn't mean they're not good for jewelry hunting though now, since jewelry can be lost at any time.

The beaches which easily/routinely get stripped down to bedrock can be a mixed blessing: The bedrock can be rich, since, of course, targets can not sink deeper than that! But on the other hand, over enough years, with enough md'rs, the goodies can be harvested from those collection zones such that subsequent years get less and less returns (just whatever got trapped in subsequent years). Just depends on type of bedrock, amount of md'ing traffic, & whether targets come back in with fill sand, etc....

 

[Tom_in_CA]

........ When I was out Thursday I met a detectorist named Dick Waters. ...

Ah good old Dick Waters. He's still around eh ? I met him when he was up here in Santa Cruz many years ago. Nice feller!

At that time he was using a Fisher pulse machine. And he just happened to have been here when a construction project had dumped truck-loads of sand on to the beach, that had been dug out for a beach-side demolition/Boardwalk project. That sand was RIDDLED with nails. And several pulse machines had been "sent packing". But a lone guy with a discriminator had pulled about 100 silver coins from the mess over the prior 2 or 3 days.

Along comes Dick Waters with his pulse machine. When I alerted him to the "pile" further up the beach, I added "but you'll need a discriminator. Your pulse won't cut it". To which he said "I can reject nails". Mind you, I'd heard that claim before, by guys with pulse machines, but it never seemed to pan out for truly nail riddled spots. So I followed Dick to the pile. And I'll be durned! He did indeed pull multiple coins/conductor, while getting fooled by very few nails. He explained that it was because his particular Fisher pulse had a manual (versus auto) ground balance. So while that has its downside, yet the upside was, it could be manipulated in such a way as to give better distinctions, apparently.

 

[mascard1]

Hey

Was in SC yesterday....don't know how I ened up there....met Seebeeron

 

[solcalpete]

Was in SC yesterday....don't know how I ened up there....met Seebeeron

What was he doing down here.... That's funny.
Everyones posts must have got the better of him.

 

[SeabeeRon]

Was in SC yesterday....don't know how I ened up there....met Seebeeron

What was he doing down here.... That's funny.
Everyones posts must have got the better of him.

Nice meeting you in SC Steve!

That's SC, as in Santa Cruz Pete!

 

[Laxsaltman]

If this doesn't get me to upgrade,nothing will ! ---- Great Job !

 

[Sandcrab]

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[Sandcrab]

Hi Ssc,
I have been detecting for about 4 years. I do both beaches and deserts. For the beach I had been using a surfmaster and later a surfmaster pro. Awesome detectors at the beach but I tired of getting hairpins and ferrous junk. The ctx is awesome. Never directly compared the two but let's just say you would do just as good with either. So now it is a learning experience for the user - learn the beaches and get experience. When I was out Thursday I met a detectorist named Dick Waters. He has found over 4000 rings and been on mag covers. So I was in a worthy place as he drove a few hours to get there. But he didn't get much that day either. But he used to do more work in the water than wet sand. So I'm left wondering if hardcore guys like you did well or is it more like the stuff either is covered or pulled out to sea? One thing I did experience and that I read in books about is the softer sand had little and harder darker sand had the content.
There is little advice in the books as to how to work areas that have experience this kind of erosion. I rather learn from the experienced than from experience...

You put me in a quandary, I really want to tell you something, explain it, but. You think it was a fluke some guy drove a few hours to get there? The place was burned, plain and simple. Am I the only one on this whole board that is seeing this? Worthy place, you were in a place that was burned. Check above post.

Only good thing is I live across the street from the beach, I have the jump on almost everyone, and my contact list from the years is large. I guess I am not in the "metal detecting circles" because I really don't know him. May be a really good dude, don't know. I want a low profile...

Hardcore, me??? Heck am just a guy that swings a stick and most people compare me to a panhandler of thief... 4000 huh, must be pretty proud to keep count. Guess that could go on a resume. Yes I did well, and still doing well figuratively speaking. just cant put the hours in I want to.

One thing, why is the CTX awesome?

~SSC

 

[solcalpete]

Any more ranting at people to come?
I guess this was written to grab my attention too!!

Quote...
"As for angry, why? Guess that is a easy excuse. If I should be angry, it should be at socalpete for drawing a road map of a spot. But not angry at either of you. Some people have long memories, for him posting the area it may come back to bite him."

The cut had been there 4 days, you had your chance.
I was informing people that there was still hundreds of targets available and it was still worth hitting.
If you live accross the street like you claim, then you should have got over there and done your bit.
Don't start shouting after the cause, 'cos it don't wash with me.
I call that hard luck mate.
If i choose to share an area,that's entirely up to me.
Move off to another post and stop your ranting at everyone.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Any more ranting at people to come? ......Move off to another post and stop your ranting at everyone.

Guess I wasn't alone in seeing that. thanx Pete.

There's always, I guess, going to be those that prefer to hunt alone (or with only a single-same partner, etc...). And they'll never tell anyone when a beach is "going off". Even if it meant that 99% of it would go to waste d/t sanded-back over before you even got 1% of the targets. That's fine if they want to operate that way. But oddly, they're the very same persons who will keep their ears to the ground for clues FROM OTHERS as to where the action might currently be. Huh ?

They will remain lone-rangers. That's certainly their choice.

 

[Sandcrab]

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[Bklein]

A vlf could not get through it, even the "awesome CTX" a pulse was the ticket.
~SSC

SSC,
The comment about the "awesome" CTX not punching through the iron layers - that is interesting. I hadn't heard that. The spot you write about is where there were tons of coins. I was digging every target the first day - probably people thought I looked ridiculous. Now if I had a pulse how would that have been any different? Just more targets and how to know which are under the black stuff? Do you have your pulse modified with a fast coil? Like I said earlier - I have a surfmaster pro and older surfmaster pi - do you think such conditions will last or gone now? I could try later in the week CTX vs the others.
You must live across from Capistrano Beach. I went there today and I found a nickel, some pennies (that went outside the masking) and this gold earring thing (thin - junk?). Tons of aluminum can nuggets.

 

[solcalpete]

I'm a 100% lost on this, and i don't know who is now ranting at who!
As far as i can make out you're shouting at me for telling poeple where a certain area is 5 days after you'd been there.
You sent me a pm after i had already spent a day there and said take a screwdriver. (the day after this post)
This post was about my 1st day there and how i was going back the next morning for a 5:30am low tide.
After finding 3 gold and enough clad to sink a battleship i decided to share.
Why am i suddenly the bad guy?
You'd been there and had your go, i went and had my go, so why not pass on the opportunity for others?
I got the same hassle last year with someone leaving a beach full of holes, one of which i fell down breaking not only my scoop but 2 ribs to boot.
I'm sure there's a few people here that'll remember that one.
Somehow this guy whooped it round to make it look like i was the bad guy for falling down his diggings... How the heck does that work???
Way too much serious insanity going on for my liking in a hobby that thrives in public places,on goodwill and honest gestures.
On that note, you can poke the lot up your "way too serious" butt.
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Thanks everyone for the 2 years of entertainment,pictures and stories of great finds as well as your unlimited knowledge of detectors.
It's been a pleasure.
Shame about the few that are now wrecking that.
I'm out of here.

 

[Sandcrab]

I too am taking a break. No Pete, I would not have PMed you about the rockpile. Like I said before, it was a nice thing you did.

Bklein, first you question, then you know. Ok cool. You make it sound like the spot is 5 feet square. I should have let it go. Tom wanted to stir and pull others into it. My questions were for Tom. He chose not to answer me but keep a conversation with Pete but aimed at me. I will pull down the last few posts, was warned not to get involved. The member that gave me the advice is smarter than me.

Drove there today, was stewing, there are still targets there...You say there is not... So be it... If you look close the one ring is broken, the other is beat up, like around rocks. But you could not find anything there with the CTX. What does it prove, not a thing... Not one stupid thing at all...

 

[WillCodeForFood]

Confused.