Thoughts Leading to Beach and Water Hunting Success

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"Where should I hunt for gold and silver at a beach?"

Hunting beaches in and out of the water offers some of the best potential for success.

Only a handful of metal detector hobbyists have had the success I have had since I started in 1982.

Being in the "right place at the right time", with the right equipment, was largely responsible for this success as was the amount of time I invested in learning beach dynamics and hunting.

Today there are few beaches loaded with goodies as my hunting grounds were back then.

Most of my recent finds are small, old and deep.

There are targets out there waiting for you, but you must pass the coil over them and understand what your detector is telling you to find them. This requires no small investment in time and energy.

Finding the “right place” to hunt requires intelligent study of beach dynamics both from a human traffic and activity, and a weather/water/ sand interaction perspective.

At a beach where human activity is greatest on the beach, that is where efforts are spent rather than wasting lots of time in the water. Other beaches may be primarily “swimming” beaches and efforts are directed into water hunting.

Most beaches are a combination of both, but have sections reserved for different activities.
Only by investigating these dynamics can you truly know the answer.

Migration and erosion of sand due to weather, tides and currents requires fairly constant observation and study and play a huge part in “gittin da gold”!!

Anyone can, and people sometimes do, buy any kind of detector and walk out onto a beach and in a matter of minutes recover gold or silver.

We can all dream, but in the “real world” of metal detecting, results are almost directly proportional to time and energy spent at study and intelligently hunting targets!
" what other factors might point you to a certain area?"

I see you checked out the second post and got a bit more info 64.

Other considerations might be depth of water at low tide. Shallower water allows different kinds of play contributing to lost items.

Heavy surf may steer families with small children to another beach or part of a beach more sheltered leaving the big waves to surfers who usually aren't into "bling"!

World wide, up-scale resort beaches attract a lot of activity of all kinds and are first choice for expensive jewelry, but competition can be fierce!

Fresh drops are the most likely target, trash is not as common as at public beaches and Excals seem to be the weapon of choice, but good PI machines often find those missed goodies that have settled in too deep for Excals.

The above mentioned "Family" beaches will have fresh drops during the "Season", but may yield deeper targets of value after the season to the hunter with a good PI machine who takes his time and listens for those small repeatable variations in threshold tone signifying a deep target.

Deep often = heavy, gold is heavy! Right?

In an area where the sub-strate is stone such as we have locally (See my recent post on this subject!), watch for the sand thinning out and stones being visible at low tide because then you are looking at "rock bottom" and targets will be more accessable than when they are under a foot of sand.

In this kind of sub-strate targets don't usually settle as deeply as they can in other bottoms and Excal is once again preferred, unless the area has been heavily hunted and then PI machines offer a depth advantage allowing recovery of targets beyond the reach of Excals.

In areas where currents flow parralell to a sandy beach targets can and often do travel from the spot they were lost to a basin or "catch point" where they can accumulate in a "Hot Spot" also known as a "Glory Hole" where a lucky (or smart, observant) hunter will fill his bag with goodies in a short time!

This doesn't usually occur where there is a stoney sub-strate though as the gems can settle into spaces between the stones where they remain protected from even the most severe storms.

Studying a beach before, sometimes during and after storms of varying intensities can reveal valuable information to the wise hunter related to the above scenario.

No doubt I have over-looked many bits of info of value that someone else will be willing to share and fill in the blanks.

I know my Friend Craig has successfully used the internet to research old, no longer used beaches, that have been bypassed by "progress"!

Beaches that in some cases have never had a detector on them!

Hopefully you new Hunters have learned enough from these short posts to start using your new-found "Hunters" eyes with confidence.

Now git out there an git Ya some!!

One last note to finish this thread from a reply I made to a post this AM for those who might otherwise miss it!!

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There are posts among the various forums with the answers to just about any question you may have about the Dual Field and of course metal detecting in general.

I have found this forum to be a wealth of information and enjoy scanning through back pages to round out my knowledge.

This is one hobby where the more you know the greater your payoff!!

As for the Dual Field, another great source is books by Clive J. Clynick.

A couple of his recent books get into the Dual Field in depth!

[email protected] is the link for any of his fine Treasure Hunting Books.

GL&HH Friends,

CJ
 
Shame on you Lew... you know I have ADD and my eyes glazed over with your long post...

You are right... I mainly concentrated on small beaches some as small as a 100 feet wide... people back in the day didn't bathe at home especially during the winter so they went to the beach once the water warmed up enough.. probably where "bathing beach" came from....

I have found a lot of gold in the water but more so on the slopes, when I started, I used nothing but a pulse detector and found a lot of gold with it... In fact I think today having another pulse might be able to sniff out what todays detectors can't reach...

For past several years I have been jokingly saying I specialize in small gold rings and you might be right the old stuff we hunted for is thinning out and only leaving us the small stuff...

I have myself been wanting another pulse I love the BBS technology but comparing it to a pulse there is no comparison a pulse was pure power... I had a lot of disagreements with OBN when we both posted at Find Mall, I was on him like a fly on poop every time he mentioned his Excal was as deep as my pulse.. We went at it but were respectful of each other, never name calling like you see today...

A friend of mine had a mint Whites PI PRO with a neutral buoyancy coil... I should have bought it.. I used it twice found several gold rings with it.. but I was spoiled by my Excal and GT... so I skipped it.. I am still looking for another pulse though been working on a friend who has a Dual Field... I would prefer the older Whites pulse only because the threshold was much cleaner sounding... that PI PRO found me 264 gold rings in 5 years of using it.. I was averaging just over 50 gold rings a year those first 5 years... those days are gone unless one finds a spot untouched... When I found that swim platform spot and pulled 34 gold rings from it I had to use a pulse the BBS only found 1 of the rings there... you want to find big numbers today, hunt alone... I shared with a few I trusted not to share the spot a good friend who has since moved up in your neck of the woods found 19 gold there... then a couple other guys came and found a few scraps but Robert and I pretty much cleaned that spot out.... Sandy finished off that spot adding 4 feet of silt and sand on top of it... you know what it did to your boulder field... Sandy was no friend of a water hunters, its why I switched to slope hunting... it was untouched by others...

I never found 50 gold rings with the Dual Field in a year came close 3 years in a row high 40's each of those years then I got married and bought a house and that crimped my hunting lol....

I still chuckle when we met to hunt with OBN at that spot up the line with Fsa46 Frank, PI JOE, and I waited for you to stop hunting a spot with your pulse so I could move in there with my Excal or maybe it was my GT, that spot you filled up your pouch with junk and a merc dime I believe... I think we had lunch there and I showed you the 4 gold I found after you cleaned out the ferrous stuff... that beach really called for a discriminating detector except near those large rocks where the deep gold was that you pulled over a few hunts... Do you know I have not been back there since that hunt...

I think when I took up beach hunting, I got into it too late but I did ok... I enjoy hunting the old spots to see what people lost back in the day, finding that 1794 half cent gave me such enjoyment... one doesn't find those everyday lol... I still have a lot of my old stuff, not here but in a safety deposit box... some old stuff I sold knowing it wouldn't be melted.. especially a old wax impression ring...

I have written enough... you had me reminiscing with your post lol...
 
Short post, my secret. On Old closed beaches, I can watch the winds for weeks, fronts pushing thru, and anything that may affect the bottom, I've not figured it out...where the open spots are. The best for me is just get out and feel the bottom.. dig a few targets. And look for patterns or signs that tell me slow down, its here.

And I still say my excaliburs were, and are deeper than the DF... :D
 
Short post, my secret. On Old closed beaches, I can watch the winds for weeks, fronts pushing thru, and anything that may affect the bottom, I've not figured it out...where the open spots are. The best for me is just get out and feel the bottom.. dig a few targets. And look for patterns or signs that tell me slow down, its here.

And I still say my excaliburs were, and are deeper than the DF... :D
Keep telling yourself that Jose lol...
 
There are targets out there waiting for you, but you must pass the coil over them and understand what your detector is telling you to find them. This requires no small investment in time and energy.

One cannot be successful sitting on the couch. Whatever your season is, if you are hunting under three days a week it will be very difficult to master and be at the top of your game!
 
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I agree. You have to know your beaches. The only way to do that is be out there a lot and watch you wind and tide tables. Rotate beaches…. each provide different conditions. Even new beaches start your steady…. But know it’s going to be timing, a learn experience, and just dumb luck sometimes
 
One cannot be successful sitting on the couch. Whatever your season is, if you are hunting under three days a week it will be very difficult to master and be at the top of your game!
All areas are different, where I hunt... beaches don't change unless there is a major storm, my beaches are protected from ocean waves by Long Island NY and the islands where I live... one doesn't have to hunt all the time to be successful... researching is more important than getting out for where I hunt... our beaches are not like FL or West coast beaches where you get droves of people using them... if I see a 100 people on one of my beaches do you really think there will be a lot fresh drops? Highly unlikely, its why I hunt old spots... even they are being depleted... the new guy in the hobby no matter what he is swinging is not going to find what earlier hunters found in the hobby....

Kob says I hunt in a fishbowl and he right, a big wave here is a foot high... most the time waves here are under a foot unless a storm is approaching then we will have a swell... we never have to worry about rip currents they are non-existent.

I haven't hunted in 2 months doesn't mean I won't be at top of my game when I do go out...
 
I'd say one of the main keys to success, obvious but often overlooked, is proper techniques, especially proper overlap of swings. I don't have much competition on my fresh water beaches like you salt guys do but when I do, I observe them. 2 guys in particular swing comically fast, probably about as fast as humanly possible, and also walk very fast. Their object is of course to cover as much ground as possible in the shortest time span, but there is no way possible that you can swing fast and walk fast and still cover all the ground you have rushed over, I estimate they miss 30-40% of the beach using the rush technique.
They both drag their scoops to make grids and I have more than once found gold they missed in their grids, to me it is almost pointless to detect like that, but I am glad they do.

Add to that, they both swing with their coils 3-6" off the ground, another brain dead move that decreases their odds even further. A measured pace, calm even overlapping swings with the coil as close to the ground as possible put the odds back in your favor.
 
I'd say one of the main keys to success, obvious but often overlooked, is proper techniques, especially proper overlap of swings. I don't have much competition on my fresh water beaches like you salt guys do but when I do, I observe them. 2 guys in particular swing comically fast, probably about as fast as humanly possible, and also walk very fast. Their object is of course to cover as much ground as possible in the shortest time span, but there is no way possible that you can swing fast and walk fast and still cover all the ground you have rushed over, I estimate they miss 30-40% of the beach using the rush technique.
They both drag their scoops to make grids and I have more than once found gold they missed in their grids, to me it is almost pointless to detect like that, but I am glad they do.

Add to that, they both swing with their coils 3-6" off the ground, another brain dead move that decreases their odds even further. A measured pace, calm even overlapping swings with the coil as close to the ground as possible put the odds back in your favor.
I agree... a couple times water hunting I went with someone and I go slow, overlap as best as possible in the water anyway I looked up and the guy I was hunting with was almost 100 yards away from me in a matter if 5 minutes or so... I always scrub, in water or wet sand...
 
Many years ago back in the early '80's I arrived at Sound View Beach in Old Lyme about a 1/2 mile from my home one beautiful late spring morning. There were two young hunters there ahead of me and when they saw me preparing to hunt with waders etc. they practically ran to the water to be well ahead of me. By the time I got my feet wet they were nearly a 100 feet ahead of me about 30 feet from shore and moving fast enough to leave a wake! By the time I had my old Garrets XL500 Pulse warmed up and had moved 30 feet in their tracks they were close to 200' ahead of me and I recovered my first gold ring!! As I watched them making waves and swinging hard I yelled at them to slow down while holding the ring in the air and yelled they had missed one!! I carefully covered only a few yards when I recovered gold ring #2 and yelled again!! They were only a few yards from the west end of the beach when I dug up a beautiful diamond engagement ring and repeated my yell! My next gold was a ring I had been searching for that was lost 40 years before by a friend and had his initials on it, JAM!!
As I watched them get ashore and head back toward me I dug # 5 gold and as they loaded up to leave # 6!! This was my most spectacular gold ring hunt since I started metal detecting in 1982!!
I watched them travel from one end of the beach to the other in the time it took me to cover perhaps 75 yards and recover 6 gold rings and I didn't see them recover anything!!!
When I returned my Friends ring he called the Hartford Current Newspaper and they posted the rings return with pictures of Joe and me!

Slow and steady gets the gold!!!

Happy hunting Friends,

CJ
 
Many years ago back in the early '80's I arrived at Sound View Beach in Old Lyme about a 1/2 mile from my home one beautiful late spring morning. There were two young hunters there ahead of me and when they saw me preparing to hunt with waders etc. they practically ran to the water to be well ahead of me. By the time I got my feet wet they were nearly a 100 feet ahead of me about 30 feet from shore and moving fast enough to leave a wake! By the time I had my old Garrets XL500 Pulse warmed up and had moved 30 feet in their tracks they were close to 200' ahead of me and I recovered my first gold ring!! As I watched them making waves and swinging hard I yelled at them to slow down while holding the ring in the air and yelled they had missed one!! I carefully covered only a few yards when I recovered gold ring #2 and yelled again!! They were only a few yards from the west end of the beach when I dug up a beautiful diamond engagement ring and repeated my yell! My next gold was a ring I had been searching for that was lost 40 years before by a friend and had his initials on it, JAM!!
As I watched them get ashore and head back toward me I dug # 5 gold and as they loaded up to leave # 6!! This was my most spectacular gold ring hunt since I started metal detecting in 1982!!
I watched them travel from one end of the beach to the other in the time it took me to cover perhaps 75 yards and recover 6 gold rings and I didn't see them recover anything!!!
When I returned my Friends ring he called the Hartford Current Newspaper and they posted the rings return with pictures of Joe and me!

Slow and steady gets the gold!!!

Happy hunting Friends,

CJ
You are too nice.. I would never help out anyone trying to find what I am after... its a dog eat dog hobby Lew :yes:

I also never show my finds to anyone at a beach I do not know... if they ask I tell them found nothing but junk and a few coins...
 
We agree on showing finds at the beach with one rare exception. If someone approaches me and asks if I have found something, with a valid description, and I have it, my reply will be ?Ya mean this?" as I hand it to them with a smile on my face and watch their reaction!!

Have a great day Pal,

CJ
 
I'd say one of the main keys to success, obvious but often overlooked, is proper techniques, especially proper overlap of swings. I don't have much competition on my fresh water beaches like you salt guys do but when I do, I observe them. 2 guys in particular swing comically fast, probably about as fast as humanly possible, and also walk very fast. Their object is of course to cover as much ground as possible in the shortest time span, but there is no way possible that you can swing fast and walk fast and still cover all the ground you have rushed over, I estimate they miss 30-40% of the beach using the rush technique.
They both drag their scoops to make grids and I have more than once found gold they missed in their grids, to me it is almost pointless to detect like that, but I am glad they do.

Add to that, they both swing with their coils 3-6" off the ground, another brain dead move that decreases their odds even further. A measured pace, calm even overlapping swings with the coil as close to the ground as possible put the odds back in your favor.
Every successful treasure hunter has reaped the benefits of this knowledge with well earned satisfaction Friend! (SMILIE HERE!!)

CJ
 
We agree on showing finds at the beach with one rare exception. If someone approaches me and asks if I have found something, with a valid description, and I have it, my reply will be ?Ya mean this?" as I hand it to them with a smile on my face and watch their reaction!!

Have a great day Pal,

CJ
I have had people ask me if I found anything and I tell them change and junk... one woman said I lost a diamond bracelet... I asked her why did she wear it to the beach... she walked away... :laughing:I didn't have it but I did have 4 gold rings... I don't believe she lost it anyway...
 
There is a ton of great info on this thread for sure and thank ya'll for sharing. I would love to be able to hunt the ocean beaches but that's just not in the cards. Yes we have thousands of miles of freshwater beaches and I have done a few. Some of the time we will get a strong storm that will uncover some good target areas but nothing like there is for you. However we do have one condition that has offered us up here with more possibilities to make some good finds and that is winter ice. If we have a very cold winter and the Great lakes do freeze, come spring and the melt starts the lake ice starts moving and whit an onshore strong wind we have what is known as an ice tsunami. The ice comes right on the shoreline and just plows up a lot of the beach leaving some large piles of sand.
 
We agree on showing finds at the beach with one rare exception. If someone approaches me and asks if I have found something, with a valid description, and I have it, my reply will be ?Ya mean this?" as I hand it to them with a smile on my face and watch their reaction!!

Have a great day Pal,

CJ
I got a good story for you... a guy came up to PI JOE complaining all he was finding was junk like pull tabs.. he was new to the hobby of beach hunting so Joe being a good guy like you... set his discrimination so high all he would find were coins... Joe did him a favor not having to worry about finding that junky yellow metal :laughing:
 
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