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I never said "slant" means incorrect. It may or may not be. .....

Casull, go back and re-read your post #11. It is clear from THAT usage, in THAT post, at THAT time, that it was framed in the sense of : "incorrect".

And let's be honest, when you and I and the casual reader reads that a view is said to be "slanted", then the insinuated takeaway , that invokes, is that : It's not accurate . It was there, at least, in #11 .

For example : If you give your viewpoint on some matter at a dinner party water cooler conversation. And the other person says : "Your view is just slanted" : Then be honest : You'd take that to mean that they've found some sort of lack or spin or .... whatever. Right ?

And BTW : I do agree that the Oak Island and History channel stuff is silly hollywood nonsense. We have no disagreement there. But we can not go from that, to saying that : Therefore All sources are slanted (as in : Wrong). Because if we say that, then we'd need to include OUR OWN SELVES. And have to include OUR OWN SOURCES that we draw from.
 
Casull, go back and re-read your post #11. It is clear from THAT usage, in THAT post, at THAT time, that it was framed in the sense of : "incorrect".

And let's be honest, when you and I and the casual reader reads that a view is said to be "slanted", then the insinuated takeaway , that invokes, is that : It's not accurate . It was there, at least, in #11 .

For example : If you give your viewpoint on some matter at a dinner party water cooler conversation. And the other person says : "Your view is just slanted" : Then be honest : You'd take that to mean that they've found some sort of lack or spin or .... whatever. Right ?

And BTW : I do agree that the Oak Island and History channel stuff is silly hollywood nonsense. We have no disagreement there. But we can not go from that, to saying that : Therefore All sources are slanted (as in : Wrong). Because if we say that, then we'd need to include OUR OWN SELVES. And have to include OUR OWN SOURCES that we draw from.


I guess you know better what I meant than I do.
 
But shucks, I agreed that Oak Island and the History channel are "slanted nonsense", didn't I ? :laughing:
 
So then : "Slant" does not necessarily mean : Incorrect. Right ?

But go back at your post #11. See how that, when taken in context of the rest of your post there, had characterized word "slant" as in the pejorative sense. As in : "Faulty" or "skewed" or "incorrect" or "can't be trusted", etc.....

But now you seem to be characterizing the word differently in #37.
Wound't it be dependent on which way it slants?
 
The Civil War is referred to as "The War of Northern Aggression" down South. Perfect example of the losers in a war trying to re-write history and give it their own slant on something...
It usually is seen that way but in this case I think it is more the after effects that caused a great deal of the attitude toward the north . Carpet baggers etc... , the loss of the southern economy and the taking advantage of the region that was allowed by folks in power . The south was not generally assisted in a regional rebuild economically speaking and the people suffered greatly.
Im not in a position to debate the causes and effects ( I simply do not have all the facts ) , but I believe most people can see that the south in many area's and ways still suffers to this day . Please understand I am not saying that the south starting the war was right - I do not agree with slavery what so ever and slavery was not the beginning cause of the war anyway ! As a people we can all see the after effects of war and regional resentment.
 
It usually is seen that way but in this case I think it is more the after effects that caused a great deal of the attitude toward the north . Carpet baggers etc... , the loss of the southern economy and the taking advantage of the region that was allowed by folks in power . The south was not generally assisted in a regional rebuild economically speaking and the people suffered greatly.
Im not in a position to debate the causes and effects ( I simply do not have all the facts ) , but I believe most people can see that the south in many area's and ways still suffers to this day . Please understand I am not saying that the south starting the war was right - I do not agree with slavery what so ever and slavery was not the beginning cause of the war anyway ! As a people we can all see the after effects of war and regional resentment.
"but I believe most people can see that the south in many area's and ways still suffers to this day." I have to disagree with that broad statement. But I do agree that a lot of people still perceive the South a backward state full of hicks. This is mostly due to the way movies still portray the South in my opinion.

Most of the suffering is the poor black and poor white people who never got a technical education or even a HS education. Like any major city we have areas of Atlanta that we consider the Ghetto much like south Chicago, areas in Baltimore, Oakland, CA, NJ, PA etc. That is just a normal fact of life of many big American cities.

If you are even half-way ambitious and willing to work almost anyone can find a living wage in Atlanta and in rural areas of Georgia. The recent past 5 years of inflation has hurt the elderly and young the worst in Atlanta. Housing prices are through the roof and many of the Z generation will never own a home in Atlanta. That is why the building of apartments in Atlanta are growing like mushrooms at every 5-10 acre of undeveloped land.

I was born in Ohio, and grew up in the deep south. I was a Yankee in the eyes of most of my peers in school. It was mostly good natured teasing except for a few guys from families who seem to have never gotten over the Civil War loss of the confederacy.

The south never really had an recovery with the destruction of the plantation system due to the freeing of the slaves. However most of the south was dirt poor during the plantation system. Only a relative few of the families were rich plantation owners and most of the others were poor farmers farming small plots or sharecroppers who were also poor.

The industrial revolution passed the south and the manufacturing centers were in the Northeast and IL and OH.

But in the 60's and 70' and till this day, what little manufacturing left in the US migrated to the South. Atlanta is the regional capital of the south and has never stopped growing since the 1950's. Has the busiest airport in the world which used to be Chicago. We have a large influx of educated black families moving to Atlanta because of the opportunities here. We now have a very large movie production business here in Georgia that rivals Hollywood.

State economies ranking: GA #11, TN #12, NC #14, NY #45, OH #37, MI #36, CA #29 so parts of the south are doing quite well these days. This is for year 2023. So you can see we are doing quite well in the South these days and not just in Atlanta. Yes there are several southern states that are not doing as well as GA, TN, NC and I am not sure why that is other than the fact they don't have Atlanta in their state.

One thing that gave GA a big boost since 1945 was Senator Richard Russell and Senator Nunn who were very powerful and long tenured politicians. And Senator Russell saw to it that the South and GA in particular got huge military bases located in Georgia and other southern states. Back in the 40-60's the voters tended to keep their politicians at the national level in office for 20 years or more and the congress and senate seniority system put them in very powerful committee chairmanships.


This post is just to bring a different perspective to a previous post by Treasureguy56. I think his statement I quoted is mainly about how people from other states think of the south even today. And from that standpoint it was an accurate statement.
 
"but I believe most people can see that the south in many area's and ways still suffers to this day." I have to disagree with that broad statement. But I do agree that a lot of people still perceive the South a backward state full of hicks. This is mostly due to the way movies still portray the South in my opinion.

Most of the suffering is the poor black and poor white people who never got a technical education or even a HS education. Like any major city we have areas of Atlanta that we consider the Ghetto much like south Chicago, areas in Baltimore, Oakland, CA, NJ, PA etc. That is just a normal fact of life of many big American cities.

If you are even half-way ambitious and willing to work almost anyone can find a living wage in Atlanta and in rural areas of Georgia. The recent past 5 years of inflation has hurt the elderly and young the worst in Atlanta. Housing prices are through the roof and many of the Z generation will never own a home in Atlanta. That is why the building of apartments in Atlanta are growing like mushrooms at every 5-10 acre of undeveloped land.

I was born in Ohio, and grew up in the deep south. I was a Yankee in the eyes of most of my peers in school. It was mostly good natured teasing except for a few guys from families who seem to have never gotten over the Civil War loss of the confederacy.

The south never really had an recovery with the destruction of the plantation system due to the freeing of the slaves. However most of the south was dirt poor during the plantation system. Only a relative few of the families were rich plantation owners and most of the others were poor farmers farming small plots or sharecroppers who were also poor.

The industrial revolution passed the south and the manufacturing centers were in the Northeast and IL and OH.

But in the 60's and 70' and till this day, what little manufacturing left in the US migrated to the South. Atlanta is the regional capital of the south and has never stopped growing since the 1950's. Has the busiest airport in the world which used to be Chicago. We have a large influx of educated black families moving to Atlanta because of the opportunities here. We now have a very large movie production business here in Georgia that rivals Hollywood.

State economies ranking: GA #11, TN #12, NC #14, NY #45, OH #37, MI #36, CA #29 so parts of the south are doing quite well these days. This is for year 2023. So you can see we are doing quite well in the South these days and not just in Atlanta. Yes there are several southern states that are not doing as well as GA, TN, NC and I am not sure why that is other than the fact they don't have Atlanta in their state.

One thing that gave GA a big boost since 1945 was Senator Richard Russell and Senator Nunn who were very powerful and long tenured politicians. And Senator Russell saw to it that the South and GA in particular got huge military bases located in Georgia and other southern states. Back in the 40-60's the voters tended to keep their politicians at the national level in office for 20 years or more and the congress and senate seniority system put them in very powerful committee chairmanships.


This post is just to bring a different perspective to a previous post by Treasureguy56. I think his statement I quoted is mainly about how people from other states think of the south even today. And from that standpoint it was an accurate statement.
Thank you for all the info , I am a Michigan born guy and have lived here all my life . I have learned to try and see thru even my own families prejudices due to the ignorance of what we were taught growing up . I have spent many many years visiting and exploring West virginia and Virginia ( civil war relic hunting ) - even my wife is originally from West by god Virginia ! She grew up extremely poor . In many respects maxxkatt you are correct , much of it is about perspective both from my own eyes and from some info from a few friends and my wife from that area .
 
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