The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

[ucnegold?]

This photo id 2464 appears in the File 5, Photo Log on page 293, photo #28. The subject of the photo is "Other" meaning it is not an Entry or Exit photo but just one of the ongoing investigation activities going on at the site. It too appears in sequence with the Log of events. According to the log, and because of the disturbance of earth, it would have been captured on Day 2, likely early to mid-morning as the Operator began to deal with diverting the ground water from the hole. It is definitely sometime after the Photographer had first recorded all of the Entry photos documenting that the site had not yet been disturbed. The photo id# 2464 appears in sequence with the progressive log.

Also, note that the hill side slope is disturbed. Plaintiff has claimed this was because the investigators dug into the hillside to go after alleged silver some thirty feet back from the slope below the trail surface. Again, this is a mistruth. The hillside was obviously dug out to provide clearance for the machine to circle around the hole with the accumulating ground water. In order to search deeper and further into the ground than they had anticipated, it would be necessary to approach from varying angles around the perimeter of the hole. Having clearance (room) for the machine to operate safely was necessary.

 

[too_pointer]

Good stuff ! Have fun,
too_

 

[ucnegold?]

Good stuff ! Have fun,
too_

It is kind of fun and a hobby to debunk these untruths being spread. I must admit however, it is discouraging that the government and courts waste so much time and money in litigating such matters. The Plaintiff has been given far too much leeway in pursuing this pipe dream.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I get the the sarcasm, but there can be no pushbacks by Plaintiff on the above older claim as he's abandoned it all together, in favor of a newer, but just as equally false, claim.......

Glad you got the humor and sarcasm. So I went to try to think of how he'd wriggle out of his "changing testimony". And I have to admit, it's very difficult. Even putting on my best "kill joy" hat.


I suppose plaintiff could say, that just like ANY of us, that : When we come upon new info, we will indeed sometimes "correct ourselves", to be in-line with the new data. I mean, let's be honest : You too have, in your life, sometimes had to say : "What I said was such & such, but I now realize that such & such ...". Or : "What I said was such and such. But what I MEANT was such & such ..." I mean, none of us is perfect, right ?


But as you can tell, I'm trying my hand at more sarcasm. In the case here, these past quotations were not simple "water cooler talk" and "off the cuff opinions and speculations". Instead they were point blank claims. TO THE POINT OF COURTROOM TESTIMONY PREPARATION caliber stuff. And .... given the amount of time this had gone on, by the time of those various quotes, they HAD to have been premeditated and thought-out. As opposed to silly slips of the tongue that one can backtrack from later.


So I really hope that the legal beavers defending Uncle Sam's G-men get hold of this thread. You have done the work of "10 Perry Mason" episodes. Heck, Uncle Sam might even send you a job offer to join their staff of legal counsel for other such future frivolous claims Do you have a law degree ? It certainly seems that way !

 

[Tom_in_CA]

..... it is discouraging that the government and courts waste so much time and money in litigating such matters.....

Bingo. And when someone with a legitimate axe to grind tries to navigate the legal system, Guess who they can thank for the burdensome bureaucracy that exists ? GUYS LIKE F.K. , and protocols put in place to defend against vexatious cr*p like his ! So that the only reason burdensome hurdles exist in our system, is because of guys like this. Who will turn over heaven & earth to trip up honest people with silly petty supposed achiles heels. Then pity the poor guy, who has legitimate cases, who tries to navigate the system.

And we wonder why Uncle Sam pays $800 for a toilet seat or coffee pot : It's because Uncle Sam is PERPETUALLY defending itself against claims of supposed corruption. So that now there's now a "million steps to go through".

If Dennis' case had been legitimate from the beginning, then sure , you might "gripe about the govt. bureaucracy". But in this case it was unmistakably vexatious and baseless . I do not envy the people who are having to deal with this cr*p. And now, those with legit cases are waiting their turn, in long lines, behind this time-wasting junk

 

[ucnegold?]

When we come upon new info, we will indeed sometimes "correct ourselves"

This is true Tom, but in this case the "new info" is the official record of the investigation, which I don't believe the Plaintiff's ever anticipated coming to light. So, in their minds, the story could only be told from their narrative. Who would ever expect so much detail would be revealed in the FOIA files? Certainly not the Plaintiffs or they wouldn't have put themselves all over Youtube and social media embellishing the tale.

There was no way back then to back-check anything they were saying to the public about the investigation. As we all suspected it was, in no uncertain terms, a bunch of lies.

Since the official record has been made public, the evidence clearly corroborates the statements made when the case was closed and exonerates the investigators of any nefarious activity. I'm surprised the DOJ hasn't filed its own suit against the defamation claimed by the Plaintiffs. Unfortunately, the DOJ has not found the matter important or pressing enough to make it more public.

 

[GoDeep]

Do you have a law degree ? It certainly seems that way !

LOL, more like a Law School Drop Out: University of SD School Of Law to be exact. I wish I had some great excuse, but the truth is, I just couldn't keep up with workload!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

......., but in this case the "new info" is the official record of the investigation, which I don't believe the Plaintiff's ever anticipated ......

You bring up a good point. So in a strange sort of way : It was and is a GOOD thing that the FOIA was/is "slow in coming". And that there are burdensome hoops to go through. Because you're right : In this case, that allowed F.K. Dennis to make a variety of claims in the intervening time. Then Lo & behold, when the info. he demanded comes to light, then : Shucks, it only further damns his position. It only shot him in the foot.


He had an awful lot of wind in his sails early on, with the perpetual insinuation that : "Feet dragging" must mean that : The government must be hiding something. And that delay lag gave him lots of time to put out his salacious claims, right ?


Mind you there are reasons for the hoops to jump through : Because otherwise clowns like this can come into any city hall, county offices, state offices, etc... demanding that everyone drop everything and hand them all sorts of paperwork.


If you ask anyone who works in these type offices, they'll tell you that there are demanding entitled sniveling bratty members of the public who think it's your duty to drop everything and cater to their every demand. Eg.: salaries of every employee, time-cards to prove where they were at a certain hour. Proof of where a scratch on a city vehicle came from. Repair and maintenance records from public works dept. on the last time a traffic signal light was worked on. Blah blah blah. And sure : We *do* have FOIA to "keep the govt. honest". Sure. But there HAS to be curbs on it. Lest it get abused EXACTLY AS THIS CLOWN DID !!

 

[too_pointer]

Do the owners of this site, understand that they could end up losing the site, you just can't talk up things and accuse people ! I have tried to follow this some, but don't know what your end goal is? I agree, that a few in here, are following members who have been in here.
for a long time, not a good example.
too_

 

[GoDeep]

Do the owners of this site, understand that they could end up losing the site, you just can't talk up things and accuse people ! I have tried to follow this some, but don't know what your end goal is? I agree, that a few in here, are following members who have been in here.
for a long time, not a good example.

Lose their site for allowing the expression of free speech and opinion? That would be unprecedented in the history of all Forums. Forums are not news organizations and so long as the Forum owner’s are not promoting, engaging in or endorsing criminal activity, they have no liability exposure.

Members expressing their opinions that a private or public figure (Plaintiff) is being dishonest or any other entity out there is more than fair game. You’ll find thousands of these types of posts on Forums where members express that they believe a person, business or politician is being dishonest.

Exposing the facts about what happened at Dents Run may be an inconvenient truth for some, but all are welcome to share their opinions.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Do the owners of this site, understand that they could end up losing the site, you just can't talk up things and accuse people ! .....

Too-pointer, I'm trying to understand what you are driving at here ^ ^ Are you saying that this thread, which expresses disbelief/dismay at the D.R. saga, could cause FMDF to lose their website ? What exactly are you saying ?


Also, (assuming I haven't misunderstood you), there's sort of a self-refuting notion going on in what you've just said : If it's true that "talking things up" and "accusing people" can cause websites to be shut down, then : Curious : Wouldn't your post here likewise be : "accusing" Ie.: Accusing the skeptics, in this case ? And note : This is not to say that you're necessarily wrong, and we (the skeptics) are necessarily right. It's only taking the notion of "loosing the site" because of "accusations" for : A test drive.


The reality is : The internet is filled with back and forth bickering about all sorts of ideological subjects. Eg.: Politics, treasures, religion, conspiracy theories, money making schemes, etc.... And trust me : A handful of geeks on an md'ing forum, debating the existence of a treasure, is the LEAST of any watchdog's worries.

 

[too_pointer]

Lose their site for allowing the expression of free speech and opinion? That would be unprecedented in the history of all Forums. Forums are not news organizations and so long as the Forum owner’s are not promoting, engaging in or endorsing criminal activity, they have no liability exposure.

Members expressing their opinions that a public figure (Plaintiff) is being dishonest or any other entity out there is more than fair game. You’ll find thousands of these types of posts on Forums where members express that they believe a person, business or politician is being dishonest.

I figured I would hear about this. I understand, others in here, have been seen that other sites in here, have got rid of the people who brought it up, now we are yacking about Oak Island. Here we go again. People need to realize that tv, is going down History things You can talk all you want, I just don't want this to be come a few people who control this place.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I figured I would hear about this. I understand, others in here, have been seen that other sites in here, have got rid of the people who brought it up, now we are yacking about Oak Island. Here we go again. People need to realize that tv, is going down History things You can talk all you want, I just don't want this to be come a few people who control this place.

Thank you for clarifying . You didn't mean : The website shut down (as if there's some watchdog that shuts down kill-joy websites for "accusing"). You meant : Lost members, who find Go-deep and other persons here to be offensive .

But this too is sort of self-defeating. Because, by the same token : Members can be "lost" if they see that challenges can't be made. So no matter HOW you slice it : It is not possible to please every person on earth.


I do not deny that someone might "take offense, and leave. But so too can the same be said of the reverse ideology. That is simply the nature of debate over a claim, an ideology, etc... There will ALWAYS be someone who "doesn't like it". And "affirmation" is not the solution to that . The solution is : Dialogue. Will some persons get their feelings hurt along the way ? Sure. That is why we grow callouses. No harm, no foul.

 

[too_pointer]

Too-pointer, I'm trying to understand what you are driving at here ^ ^ Are you saying that this thread, which expresses disbelief/dismay at the D.R. saga, could cause FMDF to lose their website ? What exactly are you saying ?


Also, (assuming I haven't misunderstood you), there's sort of a self-refuting notion going on in what you've just said : If it's true that "talking things up" and "accusing people" can cause websites to be shut down, then : Curious : Wouldn't your post here likewise be : "accusing" Ie.: Accusing the skeptics, in this case ? And note : This is not to say that you're necessarily wrong, and we (the skeptics) are necessarily right. It's only taking the notion of "loosing the site" because of "accusations" for : A test drive.


The reality is : The internet is filled with back and forth bickering about all sorts of ideological subjects. Eg.: Politics, treasures, religion, conspiracy theories, money making schemes, etc.... And trust me : A handful of geeks on an md'ing forum, debating the existence of a treasure, is the LEAST of any watchdog's worries.

Sorry I have spoken. You do what you want. Just don't drag in new members . Do you see that members here are tired of it. ? Now it is Go Deep, Curse of Oak Island, Just another Dent's thing, LOL
too_

 

[too_pointer]

I bet you believe in BigFoot too,
too_

 

[GoDeep]

I have tried to follow this some, but don't know what your end goal is?

Since day one, the "end goal" has been clear and concise and is published in my very first post:

"This thread is dedicated to critically examining the evidence surrounding the FBI's dig on March 12-14, 2018, for alleged lost/stolen gold at Dents Run... Critical, thoughtful debate of the evidence is encouraged, and all members are welcome to post here, no matter your viewpoint! "

What I find most interesting about your posts too_pointer is that your outrage is directed at those who are exposing the evidence of what happened at Dents Run and not at those who are perpetrating the con. Not once have I ever seen you express any criticism, disappointment or outrage at Plaintiff and company who have engaged in a year's long campaign of deceit against not only Forum members, but now the public at large as well as at Law Enforcement. They have and continue to waste vast sums of taxpayer money on knowingly false claims all in an effort to apparently gain notoriety and fame.

So I would ask you the same question too-pointer: What is your end goal in all of this?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

And I would add to this too-pointer : Do not take that wrong, or as an insult, etc.... You are a benefit to the forum, and nobody means to be harsh to you.


He/we are only answering your question. There's no other way to put it . But certainly if something said here is MISTAKEN about the D.R story, and that there's evidence for treasure there (stolen or whatever the latest version is), then : BY ALL MEANS CHIME IN ! I mean, shucks, perhaps we're mistaken. I'm open to that possibility. That's what this is all about is : To discuss a particular treasure claim.

 

[GoDeep]

Evidence #3: (Again, this is not even the strongest evidence we have, that is yet to come)

On several occasions, Plaintiff has truthfully admitted that the civilian excavator operator was on site working until approx. 7pm. These statements (two are posted below) are the rare exceptions where Plaintiff and the FBI both agree on what happened and when they are both in agreement on the facts, it's as ironclad as one can get.

Since both parties agree on this, it means the excavator was working well past the snowstorm and right up until the closing photos were taken at approx. 6:45pm. Plaintiffs statement is corroborated by the FBI site logs that document that the Excavator operator was working right up until the closing photos were taken.

This means that digging could not have ceased at 4pm, nor could photo 1(posted below) be from around 4pm before the snowstorm as Plaintiff is now claiming. It puts its time at approx. 6:45pm which is corroborated by Plaintiffs testimony and the FBI logs. (posted below) meaning this is the closing photo for the night and Photo 2 is the opening photo the next morning, thus setting in stone no night dig took place.

Plaintiff agrees with the FBI that the excavator operator worked on the site until almost 7pm:

FBI Log Corroborates Plaintiffs statement that the Excavator Operator was working up towards 700pm: (6:37PM to be exact):

Since both the FBI and Plaintiff agree that the excavator operator worked up until almost 7pm, it is impossible for this photo to have been taken at 4pm before the snowstorm as Plaintiff now falsely claims. It would have had to have been taken at around 6:45pm as the site log accurately indicates:

Which means this photo was taken at approx. 8:15am the next morning as the site log accurately records, thus NO NIGHT dig took place:

 

[GoDeep]

Now again, to thwart any revisionist history as Plaintiff is famous for doing, one could see the pushback of Plaintiff being "Well, when I made those statements that the excavator operator worked until 7pm, I was only trusting in the FBI logs and what the FBI said he worked until".

Nope, that position is betrayed by the dates of his posts, see attached below. No one had access to the FBI files and logs, including Plaintiff, until they were released last year in 2022. And Plaintiff has repeatedly stated that the FBI has refused to talk to anyone, including Plaintiff, about the dig.

Yes, sir, those statements of Plaintiffs made in in 2021 and 2019 were of his own free will, clear and free of any FBI influence! In fact, the FBI file release corroborated his original claim of the operator working until almost 7pm, hence why he had to change his story as his old story didn't support any night dig and thus any gold being dug up in the middle of the night!

 

[NewAge]

The FK crew doesn't put a lot of thought into their stories.

They just throw stuff around to fit whatever narrative they are currently pushing.

And example of this was when the found the exact replica of Stonehenge in PA.
While describing their find they stated that water flowed up hill and shot out of a rock that had a hole in it at the top of the mountain.

Simple laws of physics make that impossible.

Another example is the Stonehenge they found in Nova Scotia....in this case they stated the stones stood in a long populated rural area into the 1950's
Never taking into account that this would mean no one ever took a picture of this great rock structure.

Either Den or Kem (my money is on Kem).....dreams up their great finds and back story and then they bend or flat out lie about the facts.

This is why it is so easy to fact check them or flat out catch them in a lie with just a small amount of research.