lumbercamp
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And you both were banned from the other one. Welcome to the friendly site.
The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold
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lumbercamp
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NewAge had mentioned about other treasures Parada had dug that he didn't know about. Memory fades all detail, but two I remember a little about. Just outside Emporium Parada insisted silver was buried. He got permission from the landowner, but found no evidence of silver. He admitted he was at the wrong location and the silver may be 10? (not sure of miles) father up the valley. Another case, a few miles up the road from Emporium, he said there was silver? buried on a farm. He uncovered wagon parts but no treasure. I'm not positive on the details being correct. I know Parada wrote of these, maybe someone could dig deeper and find out what he said.
News outlets continue to fill their pages with nonsense rather than report actual news.He posted two additional links to this story, here is one of them...
FBI records deepen mystery of dig for Civil War-era gold
The court-ordered release of a trove of government photos, videos, maps and other documents involving the FBI's secretive search for Civil War-era gold has a treasure hunter more convinced than ever of a coverup — and just as determined to prove it. Dennis Parada waged a legal battle to force...www.yahoo.com
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Its unbelievable that the outlets still fall for parada’s fiction.
The correct term would be “holes” that parada dug and when the media moved on due to a lack of evidence of a find by parada he moved on to yet another “treasure”.
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Nah, it's actually not hard to believe. Because it's human nature to love treasure stories. Who can resist ? I mean, shucks : You don't want to get laughed at all the way to the bank, do you ?
And it's human nature to be suspicious of govt. & power, so .... shucks ... who can resist a good conspiracy/corruption theory about the FBI ? 
And the media outlets are run by normal people, like you and I, eh ? So by the time you add it all up, it's easy to see why the "outlets" fall for Parada's fiction. It's simply human nature. No one can resist a good conspiracy and a good treasure story. In fact, I think that Parada himself actually believes it !I do remember some parts of this story.....but like you my memory is a little hazy on this Emporium treasure hunt.I was not aware they actualy dug somewhere.
It is very rare they break ground on their hunts.
I also remember KGC,Vikings and Blackbeard all being mentioned at times being involved with something but cant remember for sure what fits where......LOL .....this seems imposible but when you find as many treasures as Finders Keepers has,it is hard to follow along with them without a cheat sheet.
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Didn't he "find" (past tense) a treasure in the grave of a civil war soldier in a historical monument themed CW protected park ? He wanted permission to dig up the grave (some sort of historic monument tombstone marks the spot). The parks dept. said "no thank you" (Which I'm sure that Dennis perceived to be a cover-up and was simply more-proof of a treasure there).
And if this ^ ^ plot ^ ^ sounds familiar ..... yup ... you guessed it : It's the plot of Clint Eastwood's "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" spaghetti western movie .
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The sad part is people who aren't metal detectorists believe this tall tale. I just got an email from my brother with a link to the CBS story! He sent it to warn me to be careful if I ever find a hoard! Had to tell him the truth about this loser. This guy and Oak Island are the two biggest treasure hunting scams out there. As long as they get someone to promote their story, they'll never go away.
Tom......I'm not familiar with that particular one.
But I certainly am not questioning your memory.
I'm sure there are a bunch of their finds I'm not familiar with.
They discovered remains of a Native American in the treasure cave at Dents Run.....they posted a picture of the bones and to my untrained treasure/tv show eye.It looked like a stick to me.
They also discovered a bunch of Templar graves on the former Joan Harris property in Nova Scotia......where the castle was and following ley lines across the street connected you to an exact replica of Stonehenge that stood into the 1950's that no one ever thought to take a picture of and was destroyed by a bulldozer.
So....it seems human remains are often part of the package when you start finding numerous large treasures.
But to get a little more back on topic......this is kinda why I disagree with the FBI search topic decision.This case is getting a lot of print and will be something that looks a little sketchy.
I will state again I am certain there is no evidence anywhere to back up the claims of Finders Keepers but by the FBI only using 2 generic terms this will fuel the "coverup" stories......to be quite honest if the FBI wanted to cover something up their search methods that are curently accepted by the courts make it very easy for them to do so.
I understand they have a main case file and turned it over but in my line of work my diary,photos,list of expenses,materials etc. is turned over to a client/customer......but I can also list the exact same things on the same job file that a client/customer is not given access and stay internal and unsearchable.....I'm sure the FBI has way more advanced software then my company uses.I'm not saying the FBI is doing anything nefarious here but their search methods 100% leave the door open for that to happen and people will exploit that aspect.
Think about it ......if an agent sent an e-mail to another agent under the title "Parada Excavation"
And this wasnt sent thru the case file program nor added it isnt getting found if they didnt use the keywords from the 2 search topics in the message body.
But I certainly am not questioning your memory.
I'm sure there are a bunch of their finds I'm not familiar with.
They discovered remains of a Native American in the treasure cave at Dents Run.....they posted a picture of the bones and to my untrained treasure/tv show eye.It looked like a stick to me.
They also discovered a bunch of Templar graves on the former Joan Harris property in Nova Scotia......where the castle was and following ley lines across the street connected you to an exact replica of Stonehenge that stood into the 1950's that no one ever thought to take a picture of and was destroyed by a bulldozer.
So....it seems human remains are often part of the package when you start finding numerous large treasures.
But to get a little more back on topic......this is kinda why I disagree with the FBI search topic decision.This case is getting a lot of print and will be something that looks a little sketchy.
I will state again I am certain there is no evidence anywhere to back up the claims of Finders Keepers but by the FBI only using 2 generic terms this will fuel the "coverup" stories......to be quite honest if the FBI wanted to cover something up their search methods that are curently accepted by the courts make it very easy for them to do so.
I understand they have a main case file and turned it over but in my line of work my diary,photos,list of expenses,materials etc. is turned over to a client/customer......but I can also list the exact same things on the same job file that a client/customer is not given access and stay internal and unsearchable.....I'm sure the FBI has way more advanced software then my company uses.I'm not saying the FBI is doing anything nefarious here but their search methods 100% leave the door open for that to happen and people will exploit that aspect.
Think about it ......if an agent sent an e-mail to another agent under the title "Parada Excavation"
And this wasnt sent thru the case file program nor added it isnt getting found if they didnt use the keywords from the 2 search topics in the message body.
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You make good points.
Plaintiff claims the FBI is engaging in a cover up, so even if they did search 100 keywords the Plaintiffs wanted and it turned up nothing, the Plaintiffs would just claim they are lying. If they got the photos with metadata that showed they were taken at exactly the time the FBI claims they are, they'd just say the FBI forged the Meta-Data.
I mean, look at their latest claims, they're now saying the FBI altered the photos they did receive.
The bigger point is, it doesn't matter what the FBI does, it's a lose-lose situation. Even if the FBI provides everything they want, if what they provide contradicts what Plaintiffs believe, they'll just say the FBI is lying or forging it!
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Unfairly for both of us. I can down load the site, but only read the comments not too offend but not too much interesting to read. We both happy to be here.
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I don't know how to do double quotes. I meant to quote go-deep in this reply to you.
And yes : What go-deep says is exactly the case : Dennis is tossing scores of demands and instructions out there. And the moment ANYTHING that he demands isn't immediately coddled to, he's going to scream: "Fabulous treasure !" So if it wasn't THIS particular "suspicious thing" or this exact "key word', he would simply be rolling on to the next "suspicious thing". It will never end. He will just find other things that are suspicious, or claim the evidence was white-washed, etc...
I mean, if you walk in to ANY govt. office, and start demanding paperwork (yes yes, even within the legal system of FOIA), that there will be bureaucracy and red tape. There HAS to be. You are not allowed to just start coming in and rooting through their file cabinets, and typing away on their computers. Those people have lives to lead too !
Reminds me of a long time school administrator who works in a very affluent upscale neighborhood elementary school. And since it's a high income affluent area, many of the parents feel entitled to come down to the office and gripe about every little thing. Demanding answers. And heaven forbid their child got a bad grade or a disciplinary action : The parents show up with their lawyers ! So this school has had to hire a full-time person JUST TO DEAL WITH ALL THE PARENT CRYBABIES ! Who scream and holler that their special needs issue has to done this way or that way, and demanding answers, time, energy, etc... of school staff.
So in a way, I feel sorry for the govt./FBI people who are having to deal with this D.R. nonsense. And if Dennis wants to complain about red-tape, it is people JUST LIKE HIM who BRING ABOUT the red-tape. JMHO.
His latest...
Give me a frig'n break!!
Give me a frig'n break!!
Just another flurry of sensationalism by the AP reporter. The news outlets after all are selling ads and this story will no doubt generate lots of gawking. It’s really a shame that folks don’t spend more than a minute or so to actually think about what they are reading or seeing and do their own investigative research. Analytics will show most folks will spend less than 30 seconds or so in a click-thru of the story. Suddenly they’re all experts in determining clandestine cover-ups.
Interestingly, the most recent AP story including color images and video footage have only strengthened the affirmation of the FBI’s account of events which is fully documented in the FOIA files released. I only wished the Defendants had provided the public with the same hi-res images and video provided to the Plaintiff. Plaintiff shares only a few seconds of video to build the suspense. But this little bit of evidence is enough to squelch his arguments.
These images reveal the real truth of what occurred there and if people would only take the time to read the files they would see for themselves:
1. Lots of groundwater, that the agents had to deal with throughout the excavation process but Plaintiffs say they saw no groundwater issues which would delay the excavation in Day 2.
2. Holes excavated in Day 1 in the very locations and beyond where the supposed anomalies were located. You can clearly see the agents having excavated on both sides of the culvert pipe.
3. Holes excavated in Day 1 at depths deeper than the supposed anomalies were to be located. Remember, the anomalies were said to be 6” – 5’-6” deep.
4. OPA video explaining how the agents had reached and dug into the supposed mass deficiency area with no mention or images of any gold or anything else found.
5. Snow flurries occurring in what appears to be late-afternoon of Day 1 of the excavation. Remember, there was no video images recorded on Day 2. Any snow falling on the excavator during this time or when the Operator was backfilling the holes would surely melt from the heat radiating from the machine.
6. The excavator, clearly working in the day light hours with its lights illuminated. Plaintiff has claimed he proved a night-time dig by showing images of the excavator with lights on. This was blatantly misleading and proved false by just a few seconds of video.
7. An image (2447) of the excavator, end of Day 1, parked and not yet covered with snow since the Operator had just finished back-filling the holes prior to leaving the site.
8. An image (2461) of the excavator, parked in exactly the same configuration covered with snow on the morning of Day 2, after the machine has sat idle all night, allowing the ground and exterior surfaces of the machine to cool enough to accumulate snow.
Finally, we are reminded in the AP video again how the Plaintiff admits to returning to the site (trespassing) the day after the excavation to supposedly run tests using his sophisticated metal detectors which showed nothing was there.
The Plaintiffs story continues to be one-sided thus far. He has yet to answer any of the tough questions that have been asked or may yet be coming his way.
FBI records deepen mystery of dig for Civil War-era gold | AP News
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yup. This psychology is oh-so-true .
Example: A buddy of mine texted me yesterday with a link to the D.R. thing FBI theft, blah blah. Because he knew my hobby was md'ing. And he was about to forward to the link to his 100 phone-book-contacts. But I stopped him and told him the story was bogus, and that Dennis was a dreamer and an embarrassment to the md'ing community .
But this just goes to show how fast the general public reads a salacious click-bait intro. And just assumes it must be true. And go figure, this feeds off of "America's biggest hobby" which is to sit around and gripe about our govt, corruption, and conspiracy (who can resist ?). And feeds off their "treasure lust" instincts (who can deny, lest you get laughed at all the way to the bank).
So Dennis has effectively created himself a self-perpetuating / self-feeding rolling snowball. And very few persons are stopping to ask scrutinizing skeptical analytical questions. Very few people ask themselves "what is the more plausible explanation". They just roll with the "fun story".
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Yup. No one likes to read about how there's NOT a treasure some place. That doesn't sell newspapers or generate "clicks" or TV viewers. Only when some article or video asserts : Police/govt. corruption, and fabulous treasure , does it THEN "sell newspapers and generate clicks.
The same psychology is seen in social circle gossip chains : If your friend came to you and said : "Hey, did you hear that our mutual friend Joe just got arrested in a tax fraud scheme ?", you'd say "Really ? What a bummer. Wow, I didn't know that. (You'd assume it was true)
But if your friend had come over to tell you that : "Our mutual friend Joe just won the million dollar lottery", you'd say "No way, I don't believe it"
(You'd assume it's not true)See how the human psyche works ?
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Here's the only problem with this ^ ^ In Dennis' case, I actually think he believes his narrative. Hence not "knowingly making false claims".
I know that Go-Deep disagrees with me on this. But in my experience, people can be SO convinced of conspiracy themes (9-11, JFK, chemtrails, Area 51, etc....) that .... no amount of counter-evidence persuades them. Any evidence to the contrary, is simply proof-of-coverup, blah blah. Someone very dear to me is swoon with conspiracy theories. And this person is, at no time, anything less than sincere. So too do I think that Dennis can actually believe there is (or was) a "fabulous treasure" there.
And you might THINK that, in-light of the controverting evidence (such as it seen on this thread) that Dennis CERTAINLY had to be aware of, the evidence that dispels the D.R. narrative. Ie.: He must know he's lying. But not so fast : Because just as people who are caught up in other conspiracies can deny evidence that is "right in front of their face", then : So too do I think that Dennis is JUST THAT DELUDED .
