The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

[GoDeep]

So too does Dennis' meeting of apathy, bureaucracy, stonewalling, and delays, does NOT mean: "Gold". This is just standard operating procedure for any LEO agency.

I believe this to be spot on. I actually still talk with Plaintiff via message(he loves an audience) but he was again pointing to the DOJ records department "dragging their feet", "Stalling", etc etc as proof that they are hiding something, and he still feels he'll "win the case" with the weakest of circumstantial evidence. I told him, as i've told him several times, his beliefs and accusations are not evidence.

I responded to him quote,"You seem to have a disconnect in how you view the records department. It's as though you view them as the actual FBI agents at the dig site going through your file. It's not, it's a separate records department, staffed by disinterested older gentlewoman, nerdy men and pimple faced interns, not FBI (field) agents. That don't know jack about your case, nor care about your case. Your case isn't special to them and it's a broken system that affects nearly everybody who requests records. They aren't delaying or dragging anything out on purpose, that's just standard operating procedure for their broken system."

 

[GoDeep]

Bottom line is government(local, state or federal) can twist regulations, laws and even the constitution to do what they want to do.
And fbi is a part of the government.

True, i agree with you, our gov't does have a way of making the rules fit their agenda. However, in this case, no matter how corrupt the FBI may or may not be, it doesn't increase the odds that some party buried tons of gold there over a century ago, even before the FBI existed. It's a concept Plaintiff can't seem to grasp (or more likely doesn't want to grasp as it doesn't advance his narrative).

 

[GoDeep]

Now onto our list of questions/statements. I did review several of the past threads here on the topic of Dents Run, however, the majority of them contained no answers to the above questions being many of the questions are directly related to the newly released FBI files and those that did provide "answers" to some of the older questions, were often speculatory in nature and contained no corroborating evidence. These answers will all contain actual evidence obtained largely from the FBI files, Plaintiffs lawsuit and print/online publications, that will either corroborate or refute the claim/statements.


First (in no particular order as i'll be picking the easier low hanging fruit first):

6. Did plaintiffs strike gold when drilling bore holes in the road bed over a decade ago? Plantiffs had testified in several public posts that when drilling test holes on the road bed about the "cave" at Dents Run, that they struck gold and that their drill bit, when pulled out of the holes, had gold on them. At the time they made those claims, people asked for clear pictures of the gold on the bit and asked whether they had the bit tested for gold. Plaintiffs were often evasive or wouldn't answer those questions, only to adamantly keep insisting it was gold.

Now, evidently, when talking with the lead FBI agent, they must have realized it's a felony to lie to an FBI agent as they admitted to the FBI they weren't sure it was gold and it was only "gold looking", only caught a "glimpse" of it, and it was "to small" to be tested, see Exhibit 3.

Conclusion: The fact they previously claimed you could visibly see gold on the bit, means there was more than enough gold on it to test for. Based on this fact and their revised statements to the FBI, applying a reasonable person standard (a term used in law, that indicates, what would a reasonable person believe based on the facts before them), we can conclude NO GOLD was on the bit.


Exhibit 3, FBI Warrant, Plaintiffs statement to the FBI Regarding gold on the drill bit:

 

[GoDeep]

Next up:

7. Why did the Plaintiffs contact the FBI to dig at Dents Run? A question that is asked of the Plaintiffs often is, why did you contact the FBI in the first place? Why not just get a bond and dig there yourself or bring the Pennsylvania DCNR in to dig with you? Their public responses were many and the theme was always the same, and i'm paraphrasing here: "We wanted to do the dig right. We wanted it to be above board and legal and we trusted the FBI".

But what did the FBI file reveal about this?

They were formally trespassed from the Dent's run site on 4/6/12 for harassing, following, and filming Dents Run residents and PA DCNR Employees and they disobeyed that lawful order for over two years until caught trespassing and treasure hunting at Dents Run again on 10/29/2014, by a PA DCNR Ranger, and issued another trespass notice. See Exhibit 4 and Exhibit 5.

So the fact is, they were trespassed from doing any further treasure hunting at Dents Run site starting in 2012. Furthermore, they continued to disobey that Trespass order for over two years and continued to treasure hunt their until they were caught, with equipment in tow, by a PA DCNR Ranger and again issued a repeat trespass notice. Furthermore, there are indicators in their post record, that they may have even continued to treasure hunt there even after the 2nd trespass order.

Conclusion: The record is clear, they disobeyed lawful trespass notices for over 2+ years. These are not the actions of someone who "wants to do it right and lawfully". Again, when we apply the "reasonable person" standard, we can conclude that they went to the FBI, not because they "wanted to do it right and trusted the FBI" but because the FBI was their only option left being they were trespassed from the site. *See Footnote below

*For the sake of transparency, at the time Plaintiffs were trespassed from the Dents Run site, they obtained an attorney to try to negotiate allowing them back on the site. However, I could find no record that the Trespass notice was ever rescinded and at a minimum we know it was in effect for over 2 years.

Exhibit 4 & 5:

 

[Tom_in_CA]

... our gov't does have a way of making the rules fit their agenda. ......

Bottom line is government(local, state or federal) can twist regulations, laws and even the constitution to do what they want to do.....

And despite this human nature (of ANY institution, public or private, to do such a thing) : It doesn't necessarily mean : "Gold".

Tom lives for this stuff

David, if it's wasn't for control freaks like me, nothing would get done right in this world !

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Go-Deep : In post #23 and 24, you are now doing a good job at showing "more plausible explanations" for what other people see as "salacious evidence". So : Since it appears you know this is all bologna, then why the need put out all the conspiracy theory stuff ? As if it all needs to be answered ?

I originally interpreted your post as being someone who believed this stuff.

 

[GoDeep]

Case Update: On 8/20/22 a new Joint Status Report was filed, see Exhibit 6 attached below.

In Brief: DOJ states all files responsive to Plaintiffs request have been produced, with the exception of approx. 15 minutes more of video. An agreement was also made for the DOJ to turn over higher resolution color photos of pictures they had previously produced in black and white. Plaintiffs still feel that the file search was not adequate and will address it during the summary judgement phase.

Plaintiff had messaged me last week that once all the file is in, they will "hit the DOJ hard". I replied to him that, no, no you won't as if your attorney hasn't already advised you, that's why you have joint status meetings, to try to work out any differences you have without constantly bothering the court or filing surprise motions.

My prediction: Once the DOJ produces the remaining video, they will motion the court for summary judgement, which i predict will be granted, and the case will be closed without need for trial.

Exhibit 6, Joint Status Report:

 

[Tom_in_CA]

......My prediction: ....

My prediction : Dennis and many people will never let the issue die. No matter what is produced via their demands. And no matter how much it shows "no treasure". Dennis will just say that some individual little thing here or there was not produced. And that this somehow means "Treasure".

Or that even if everything is produced, Dennis will scream "redacted" "altered" and "whitewashed".

And Dennis will have no shortage of people who believe the nonsense. Because it is so so fun to believe in treasure, and believe in conspiracies.

Why do you think all the treasure magazines of the 1960s & 1970s were so fun to read ? Each one was packed full of "lost mine" and "stolen loot" treasure stories. No one ever applied a bit of skeptical scrutiny towards them. Why ? Because of the human psychology that : "No one wants to get laughed at all the way to the bank"

 

[GTS225]

And in the end, it won't matter a bit.
NO ONE is going to get the gold, even if the FBI admits there was some. It's all a futile effort for absolutley no reward.
This is another four minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Roger

 

[GoDeep]

My prediction : Dennis and many people will never let the issue die. No matter what is produced via their demands. And no matter how much it shows "no treasure". Dennis will just say that some individual little thing here or there was not produced. And that this somehow means "Treasure".

True, he will never let it die, however, based on the evidence, i predict he will "Pivot" the story. (as you say Tom, it's always, "just a little more to the left or just a little deeper, but never is it, nothing is/was there")

Which leads us to our next questions/statement:

16. Does Plaintiff Actually Believe The FBI is lying when they said they found No Gold and would he work with the FBI again?


Prior to the FBI files being released, Plaintiff stated in online posts that his ground scans, conducted only days after the FBI's dig was complete, indicated nothing in the ground at Dents Run. He used this as "evidence" that Gold was found and removed by the FBI.

Fast forward several years as undeniable, overwhelming evidence emerged from the FBI files that no gold was found, plaintiff then stated that he needed to and i paraphrase "rescan the Dent's Run site, as 4 years later, the soil has settled and his scans just after the dig may have been wrong and the (alleged) gold may still be up there." He even stated they had quote, "contacted the governor" to try to get a 2nd dig at Dents Run.

On July 8th, 2022, a bombshell dropped as Plaintiff admitted, "I am still willing to work with DCNR or FBI again on locating treasure sites" This post was later deleted, but fortunately I screen capture all relevant posts. See Exhibit 7.

Conclusion: Since Plaintiff had been on a 4 year terror campaign against the FBI, accusing them of lying, stealing and destroying evidence only to later admit he'd "work with them again", is direct evidence he believes the FBI may be telling the truth and found no gold, as if you truly believed they lied to your face and stole gold right out from under you, there is NO SCENARIO where he would ever work with them again.

My opinion, we are seeing the "Pivot" by Plaintiff. With the evidence clearly indicating no gold being found, he is "Pivoting" the story to: "The FBI missed the gold and we need to work with the FBI again and go back and do a 2nd dig". (which is complete fantasy land as neither the FBI, PA DNCR or Governor will ever work with him again given his false accusations).

Exhibit 7:

 

[Tom_in_CA]

...... NO ONE is going to get the gold,.....

What "gold" ?

....Which leads us to our next questions/statement: 16. Does Plaintiff Actually Believe The FBI is lying when they said they found No Gold and would he work with the FBI again?.....

Sure ! Dennis "actually believes" lots of stuff. But "belief" doesn't make something necessarily true.

I do not accuse Dennis of lying in the slightest. He actually believes all his fairy tales.

.... as neither the FBI, PA DNCR or Governor will ever work with him again given his false accusations....

And mark my words : That lack of willingness on -the-part of the govt., will become all-the-more proof of "fabulous treasure", in the minds of the D.R./ F.K. faithful. It will simply become proof that the government is trying to hide something. And as you will see: The story will never end

 

[Tom_in_CA]

....

Exhibit 8:

And I am surprised your "exhibit 8" is allowed to stay here un-deleted. If that person had posted such a statement here, it would have been skeptically scrutinized and shown-to-be-lacking. But on the venue he uses, he's "safe". He can not be challenged there. His little echo-chamber safe-haven.

 

[GoDeep]

And I am surprised your "exhibit 8" is allowed to stay here un-deleted. If that person had posted such a statement here, it would have been skeptically scrutinized and shown-to-be-lacking. But on the venue he uses, he's "safe". He can not be challenged there. His little echo-chamber safe-haven.

Why does it surprise you it's allowed to stay here, it's simply quoting someone in screen shot form ensuring the most accurate and complete quote possible and in reading the rules, there's no policy against quoting people? Maybe i misunderstood what you are saying though?

Also, you are right, he has benefited from a safe-haven, so safe that should he slip up or the weight of the evidence turn against his narrative, he can have it all deleted, including his oppositions posts, in its entirety.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Why does it surprise you it's allowed to stay here,....

Ok, I stand corrected. When you bring in the screen capture of another forum, it's not badmouthing that forum. So you're right : No ill-will or trash-talk there.

 

[GoDeep]

Ok, I stand corrected. When you bring in the screen capture of another forum, it's not badmouthing that forum. So you're right : No ill-will or trash-talk there.

Why would posting a screen shot of someones true, full and accurate quote be badmouthing a forum? (plus the forum name is not even on the quote). In fact, it better ensures that i didn't parse out of context only parts of the quote to manipulate it's meaning. It is well established that anything I or anyone else posts on a public forum may be quoted. Are you trying to create outrage where none exists?

Edit: for Tom's viewing pleasure, i edited it down to only his user name and quote...

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Why would posting a screen shot of someones true, full and accurate quote be badmouthing a forum? ....

Read again post #34. I said that I stand corrected. You didn't badmouth another forum. It's perfectly fine.

 

[GoDeep]

Case Update:


Case: Finders Keepers USA LLC v. U.S. Department of Justice (dcd-1:2022-cv-00009)
Court: District of Columbia
- MINUTE ORDER. The parties shall file an additional Joint Status Report by September 23, 2022, which updates the court on the processing and production of responsive records. Signed by Judge Amit P. Mehta on 8/21/2022. (lcapm1) (filed: 08/21/2022)

 

[SeabeeRon]

Case Update:


Case: Finders Keepers USA LLC v. U.S. Department of Justice (dcd-1:2022-cv-00009)
Court: District of Columbia
- MINUTE ORDER. The parties shall file an additional Joint Status Report by September 23, 2022, which updates the court on the processing and production of responsive records. Signed by Judge Amit P. Mehta on 8/21/2022. (lcapm1) (filed: 08/21/2022)

Oh Boy, that’s my birthday! Hoping for a good “present”!

 

[GoDeep]

1. Were Plaintiffs barred from observing the actual FBI dig? Plaintiffs claimed the FBI had agreed to allow them to observe the dig while it was taking place. However, once the dig began, Plaintiffs and their associates led others to believe in posts, press conferences and magazines that they were barred from viewing the dig and made to sit in their car, only being led up to an empty hole after the dig had concluded.

The intent of these claims was clear to me: to support their theory that the FBI was hiding something, and it was repeated so often, it became fact to many, even being stated at press conference and published in magazines. Many of these claims were deleted, but some i managed to screen shot before they were taken down:

- Plaintiff on 2/1/21 : "The FBI told us we would be on site when the dig happens, and they told DCNR they could take pictures of the dig when it happened and none of this happened." Attached as exhibit 8.

- Plaintiffs Associate W. Gettler on 3/13/21, who was also at the dig site with Plaintiffs, stated at a Press conference, "We went there in the hopes that we would be participating, as we had been promised, in the dig for the rumored gold that Denny and Kem had been prospecting and probing for years. As it turns out, that did not happen, we were literally barred from the site, kept in our cars and shown an empty hole afterwards" See Youtube link, starts at approx. 1:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D-Dm4av0v0

The more they submitted to interviews, press conferences and online posts, and the more FBI files that were released, the more the truth started to slip out and their time on site began to grow:

-1.5 Hours on site observing the dig: By pulling together all the various statements made over the years and cross checking them, i first learned that they were actually at the site, observing the dig on day 1 from approx. 1:30pm to 3:00 PM.

-2.5 Hours on site observing the dig: In a statement made by Kem P. in the Atlantic Article (link in the opening posts), he stated they were at the actual dig site until approx. quote, "4:00 O'Clock" moving the time on site from approx. 1:30 PM to 4:00 P.M.

-3 Hours on site observing the dig: Once the FBI dig site event logs and sign in/sign out sheets were released, we learned that they were actually on site actually observing the dig, confirmed by the sign in/out sheet and further corroborated by the dig site event logs from 2:09 PM to 5:02 PM Attached as exhibit 9, 10, 11

Conclusion: We we mislead into believing they weren't allowed to observe the actual dig, that they were "barred" from the site and made to sit in their cars the entire time until the very end of the dig. When in fact, they were allowed to observe the actual dig for approximately 3 hours total. True, they weren't allowed to come and go and trample all over what the FBI considered a potential crime scene, as they apparently felt they were entitled to do, but 3 hours on site is a far cry from the 0 hours we were led to believe.

Exhibits, 8, 9, 10, 11:

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Dennis has milked his 15 minutes of fame out of this tall tale. The best thing we can do is just forget about it and stop giving him the attention he desperately wants...