Old vs New detectors

maxxkatt

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Seven years ago I got back into detecting. My previous detecting experience was a Fisher Gold Bug looking for gold nuggets in North Georgia in the late 1980's. Followed by buying a Fisher ID Edge for coins and relics.

Back then no Internet, no forums just treasure hunting and metal detecting magazines which I did not read. I naively thought all there was to metal detecting for coins was just turn on the metal detector adjust a few knobs and hunt.

I knew and learned nothing about metal detecting physics and coil physics or the thought of doing site research never crossed my mind. You can probably see why I gave the hobby up again after a few months. Shows you how much these interactive metal detecting forums help the novice detectorist.

I live in North Atlanta. Prior to 1970's most of North Atlanta was farmland. Yes there were lots of Civil War sites still really producing back then but I was after silver coin. After a couple of disappointing months I gave up detecting for the 2nd time.

So Seven years ago, kids grown and with more time on my hands I decided to get back into metal detecting. My research which detector to buy was rather limited. Decided to go with a proven winner at the time, the Garrett AT Pro. And it was a good decision. Easy to learn and a good machine and tons of people used it and made videos of great finds.

Three years later the Equinox was announced and in Spring of 2018 I got my Nox 800. Yes it was a wild beast and took a lot of time for me to learn to tame down in my uber junky hunting sites in Atlanta.

But my problem was to quiet the Nox I had to reduce the sensitivity and reduced sensitivity put me right in the pull tab, pop top, can slaw and bottle cap layer and deeper older coins were masked. With a later update adding 4k this helped a lot unmasking the older coins hidden under the junk layer.

I was about to either give up or buy yet another detector the XP 1. But a trusted friend over on Treasure Net (vferrari) told me and XP1 and Nox 800 were very similar and I would probably still have the same one.

I had noticed a few guys making some good metal detecting videos were sill using the CTX3030 which started shipping in 2012. How can that be? I generally had and idea that guys using seemingly outdated detectors like the CTX or Whites or Fishers were just way behind the technology curve.

But these guys were cleaning up on finding silver and old coins with these old boat anchors. I just figured these guys were just really good detectorists who were fixed in their ways.

I wanted to stay with Minelab since I had the 800 and Vanquish 540, 440 experience so I was rather focused on the CTX3030. Plus Lance used one and Andy used an XP1 and always found the priced gold items. Poor Andy mostly found hot wheels cars.

So I sold the AT Pro, my Vanquish 540 to add to my budget for a new detectors. And in the back of my mind I was convinced that the CTX was the one for me.

I sent a series of email messages to about 120 Minelab dealers and informed them I was in the market for a used CTX3030. Got four or five responses of used CTX3030 they had for sale but out of warranty.

Then a couple of weeks later got a call from a dealer. He had a widow selling her husbands brand new CTX3030 with full 3 year warranty for $1,400. He bought it but found it too heavy and it sat in his closed for several years in the original box.

I jumped on the offer and have been happily using it for the past 6 months.

Yes I need a swing harness to hunt with the stock or 17" coil. The 6" coils is pretty easy to swing without a swing harness. Tried the Minelab Pro swing harness but that felt not so good. Bulky, stiff and and just not natural feeling.

Finally got Doc's Swingy Thing harness and it is a perfect match with the CTX.

The CTX has a handful of controls that will allow you to quickly match your detector to your site. The magic is in the FBS software and of course the CTX hardware. The real magic is in the CTX CO/FE grid screen that tells you a whole lot visually what is under your coil. On the 17" and stock coil when you are over two targets it shows you both targets on the screen, unlike other detectors without this FE/CO screen will just give you an averaged TID of the two targets which tells you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what is under your coil. With the CTX if you pass over a silver coin and a pop top, you will see clearly on the screen both targets in their respective areas on the grid clearly identified as two separate and distinct targets.

If you are over a bunch of scattered junk, it shows up as scattered little red/yellow dots not a clearly defined ID.

My junk finds have gone way down to almost nothing hunting coins. Using the 6" coil on my really junky parks is a joy. They really pick out the good targets from the bad targets. When I say junky parks one of them gives up constant junk TID's on every sweep. So when using the CTX and 6" coil I am pulling out wheats that others have missed and it is a heavily hunted small park along the river. It is about a 20 acre park that is slammed every weekend in the spring, fall and summer. It dates back to the 1950's but only since the 1980's with tons of immigrants flooding in Atlanta does it stay so busy.

Since this park is 5 min from my house, it is my go to practice park. The CTX3030 with the 6" coil really performs using a program from IDX monster for hunting coins.

I don't really think I will be buying another detector.

And I change my mind about the guys still using older Minelabs, Whites and Fisher detectors. They knew a good detector when they got it in their hands.
 
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Great story! Glad you found your connection, which I think is very important when using a machine.

I still use the Excalibur, 28 year old technology. I like simple.. turn it on, two dials adjusted and you hunt. I was thinking the D2 for a while but after seeing two guys using them last week.. :no:
 
Everybody's hunting conditions are different. But the old stuff like a Whites DFX still work today. I have the most gold chains with my CTX. But that Atlanta traffic i won't be trying your way any time soon.:lol:
 
Looking back on all the detectors I've owned over the years, I can definitely relate to what you're saying. While they've all been pretty good for the most part, there's just a few of them that I really clicked with. Off the top of my head, the ones that I really liked a lot were the old White's XLT, the Minelab Etrac, the CTX and now the XP D2. I tend to try most of the top detectors that get released, but if they don't really speak to me after a few months, I just go back to what's been working. That's why I used the CTX as my primary detector for so many years. It may be old, heavy and outdated, but it's still the same silver slaying beast that it was when it was released a decade ago.
 
I did move up to a 13 year technology, the XP Deus, but it was because I feel it has the best ergonomics on the market still. My 20+ year old technology, the Whites DFX, can hit any small piece of gold any detector I have tested to date but weighs around 5 lbs whereas the Deus is around 2 lbs.

My 14 year old technology Minelab E-Trac is still the deepest detector I have ever owned. Lots of small advances in features but nothing earth shattering.
 
'maxxkatt', a good story to reflect on what we've had, what's available now, and what really matters to each of us. In the end, that is the most impotent part, owning and using detectors that really matter to us. Detectors we like, that seem to 'fit' us well, and units with the coils and features and performance that let us have fun and enjoy this great sport.

Like you mentioned, there are a lot of older detectors that can work well and find stuff, and some of the newer offerings can as well ... even though there might be things we don't like about them. Over half-a-century of having fun in this hobby has left me with a lot of memories about some detectors I had that I really liked, and my current detector outfit is comprised of both Old and New detectors. Maybe not 'new' as in a current release, but 'new-to-me' because I recently bought them.

Currently I have a beautiful condition and excellent-performing White's XLT, and I have owned XLT's since June of '94. I rely a lot on both my Tesoro Bandido II microMAX and Silver Sabre microMAX that were introduced in October of '97. I have a Makro Racer that came out the spring of '15 and Nokta FORS Relic since January of '16. All five of those are discontinued models or from defunct companies.

To complement them I have my newer Garrett Apex units, a Fisher F75+ I bought brand new this spring, and an XP ORX that was just delivered last Sunday. A mix of old and proven favorites complemented by three newer models that are also well respected and great performers. And the key ingredient is that they work well, and I just happen to like them all and enjoy using them.

If you are comfortable with what you picked, that's great and now all you have to do is enjoy using them.

Monte
 
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Two most important parts of a detector are the antenna to transmit/receive the signal (coil) and the control unit to process the information from the signal to the user.

To me the only knobs I need to turn is the on/off switch, the discriminate knob to draw a line between ferrous and nonferrous. Sensitivity and ground balance are a plus but not necessary in my soil.

Anything more complicated than that is fluff, overkill.

Factory presets on newer machines really make them turn on and go detectors unless one has some sort of knob (button) fetish.. As for a screen, who needs it.

I see someone stop at a target and start wiggling the coil and start pushing buttons and looking at a screen until the good signal goes away. Guess he didn't feel like digging that one anyway.

Oh well, I ramble.

HH,
Geo
 
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