Diga
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Yep.At least we got back to the topic.
CountyWorker
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Plenty of people still like the Model T and ‘55 Chevys, and buy them frequently.
Are you just going to ignore the fact that you called out members of this forum for “bashing” the Vortex?
Detector bashing can be a permabanable offense on this forum, so who are these members that you’re trying to get banned?
Diga
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You just added that after the fact.
Point being, all I did was mention what I last heard from Garrett about the release, and for some reason, you called that misleading...and No... "A few weeks" is not a date!
I don't want anyone to get banned, even you.
I don't really like blue that much on a metal detector but at least the Vortex isn't bright green, yellow or red. Those get a nice spray paint coat of camo or FDE if I decide to keep them.......
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Cool.
CountyWorker
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Then stop your BS about members bashing the Vortex. Can you provide a single screenshot of a member bashing the Vortex? And who are these “they” members who you refer to?
You may want to step back for awhile, because I think Diga’s insufferability has pushed you towards the edge.
I'm good with Diga.Then stop your BS about members bashing the Vortex. Can you provide a single screenshot of a member bashing the Vortex? And who are these “they” members who you refer to?
You may want to step back for awhile, because I think Diga’s insufferability has pushed you towards the edge.
When I get to actually try a Vortex and it happens to suck, I will be right back here bashing it and Garrett, then they can ban me if they want.
Gotta go hunt before it hits 90.
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CountyWorker
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Nice try, but resorting to a stretch like that isn’t very becoming and pretty weak if it’s one of the “swings” you “can’t resist taking” against those “they” people.
I can’t imagine someone being so fragile that “they” would perceive a relatively benign criticism of the marketing decision for a color as “bashing” a detector.
Also, still standing by for your list of these mysterious members who, according to you, have been “bashing” the Vortex.
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You might want to sit down.
I don't think disliking the color of a detector before it's released is a big deal. I sure didn't like the red on the Vanquish models I bought but after using them and seeing how good they were for the money, I just painted them in a color I did like.
Saying a release is a Sh&t show and the release isn't really over yet, well, you decide.
CountyWorker
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You know, you try very hard to play yourself off as above the fray, but it’s transparently contrived. You’re as argumentative as anyone on this forum and reading past a post that you disagree with requires character that you do not possess.
Also, no matter how ridiculous you may sound, you simply cannot summon the will power not to hit submit. The alternative is just far too painful for you to endure.
Out of curiosity, are you autistic? Adult ADD?
Criticizing a clusterf~k of a release /=/ Bashing a detector
If it in fact was, Staff would get involved.
What’s even worse is that your wishy-washy “isn’t really over yet” qualification implies that you actually agree that it has in fact been a sh*tshow. Otherwise, you would have disagreed that it has been a sh*tshow, because you live to disagree. Instead, you hit submit on a sophomoric “you decide” post as if you have revealed some critical evidence that supports your argument.
I’ll be standing by waiting for you to produce all these mysterious Vortex bashers that you claim exist, but you and I both know that they don’t exist. It was just a way for you to end your profound post that contained wisdom that one could only normally expect to find at a 7/11 coffee counter.
Are you interested in buying a Vortex?
Cherry Picker
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Define "bashing". I don't remember the word being used, but I do remember plenty of posts that could be defined as bashing. Saying the the Vortex doesn't even compete, "feature wise" with detectors like the X-Terra Elite and cost more is an example. False misleading BS that could only be taken as an attempt to make the Vortex look bad. Even after it was pointed out that we don't even know what features the Vortex is going to have yet, and if it isn't obvious enough to see the Vortex has several features none of the other detectors even close to the price range have. Like multiple target detection, Three-Tier display, and the ability to upgrade, not just update, without having to purchase a new detector.
We have no idea what the Vortex is going to feature or how well it will compare to what is on the market. That fact just keeps on getting ignored. One could define that as bashing, putting down, whatever you want to call it, but it is all misleading until it hits the hands of users and the dirt. Speculate, have an opinion all you want, but to making statements like you know is just misleading.
oldkoot
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Its not necessarily on the Forums that the bashing has taken place, (Yes there are a few on the Forums) but Facebook has been a whole different venue for the haters of Garrett and the Vortex.
For the most part the Forums do not tolerate it much
Really cant say people like Diga is bashing with him its more of speculation, assumptions and opinions, and rite now none of us can assume anything with this new Vortex, none of us will actually know anything until the Vortex gets into the hands of actual end users, Opinions its ok for someone to have an opinion but not when you try to force your opinion down everyone's throats, and we all know what assuming something does for those doing the assuming
its like one statement I read from a few and yes Diga is one of those that made this statement
(Know way the Vortex can compete with the Mine Lab Pro or Elite or the Nokta Triple Score or Double Score)
you know how I take statements like that (Show me Your Friken Crystal Ball) that tells you it can't compete with those detectors with the features it had when announced,
(yes on paper and in the current shown specs the Vortex has) the Vortex can only not compete with the number of features it has, whether the Vortex can compete against those other detectors on in ground targets and in ground performance that remains to be seen until that happens to me it is only speculation and opinions, and in some ways that is bashing to me.
longbow62
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I feel a lot of detector companies are hyping detectors before they are 100% ready. I don't like it when any of the manufactures do it. Also all companies tend over promise on the dates they are going to be available to purchase. It never fails they end up getting pushed back a bit. They do the pre-sale hyping and the pre-order thing before you really know what your getting. Currently there is only two companies I would have high confidence in pre-ordering from. As far as the Vortex goes I would have to see many comparisons with other detectors before I took the leap. Who knows I may end up owning one someday if my fears are proved to be unfounded. As far as the bashing goes I think bashing might be getting confused with a healthy dose of skepticism. I think that skepticism is fully justified considering the VLF releases we have been getting from Garrett over the last many years. What makes me a skeptic? Well the Ace Apex for one. A company that does not have a good handle on SMF is going to put out a low end detector if they can't compete with other companies high end models. If they truely had a good handle on SMF they would have released a Flagship model like the other big 3 did. Even the Vortex to me seems at least price wise to be a detector they are not pushing as a major flagship model that can compete with more high end detectors. Even if for whatever reason your not going to spend the money for a top of the line detector as I've mentioned before there are a multitude of other proven options out there right now.
2D vs. 3 tier I.D.. I'm confused on why the Vortex starts at 0 and goes to 39 on the upper and lower graph lines. The center starts at 40 and goes to 99. So it's only 60 segments on the Non-Ferrous graph not 100. Not that it's bad or not workable. The Equinox 600 and 800 only had 40 positive segments and I did very well with just the 40. One of the glaring differences is the 3 tier lacks the ability to paint across the all graphs. That would seem to be more confusing to me in trying to decipher what it's trying to show when it's got isolated squares all over the graphs. You don't know for sure how these graphs relate to a target that might be on the non-ferrous line. On the Manticore 2D you might see a falsing nail as a swipe from upper ferrous to the center line. On the Vortex 3 tier you would only see 2 squares. Are they the same target? You can't know. On the Manticore you at least see it as a single falsing target or as a collated ferrous and nonferrous to close to differentiate. Or as shown in TNsharpshooters video two very close non-ferrous targets. It swipes from one to the other. It seems to me you would be more likely to chase bad targets when it doesn't paint a swipe from the center to the upper or lower graph. I'm just throwing it out there having used the Manticore 2D for over a year and a half. Not having the ability to connect across the graphs keeps you from visually telling if it's one target or two. Again I don't know exactly know it reacts based solely on pictures of the Vortex's 3 graphs. I just don't see the Vortex 3 tier and being as refined as the Manticore's 2D. I just don't foresee the 3 tier as being quite as useful.
2D vs. 3 tier I.D.. I'm confused on why the Vortex starts at 0 and goes to 39 on the upper and lower graph lines. The center starts at 40 and goes to 99. So it's only 60 segments on the Non-Ferrous graph not 100. Not that it's bad or not workable. The Equinox 600 and 800 only had 40 positive segments and I did very well with just the 40. One of the glaring differences is the 3 tier lacks the ability to paint across the all graphs. That would seem to be more confusing to me in trying to decipher what it's trying to show when it's got isolated squares all over the graphs. You don't know for sure how these graphs relate to a target that might be on the non-ferrous line. On the Manticore 2D you might see a falsing nail as a swipe from upper ferrous to the center line. On the Vortex 3 tier you would only see 2 squares. Are they the same target? You can't know. On the Manticore you at least see it as a single falsing target or as a collated ferrous and nonferrous to close to differentiate. Or as shown in TNsharpshooters video two very close non-ferrous targets. It swipes from one to the other. It seems to me you would be more likely to chase bad targets when it doesn't paint a swipe from the center to the upper or lower graph. I'm just throwing it out there having used the Manticore 2D for over a year and a half. Not having the ability to connect across the graphs keeps you from visually telling if it's one target or two. Again I don't know exactly know it reacts based solely on pictures of the Vortex's 3 graphs. I just don't see the Vortex 3 tier and being as refined as the Manticore's 2D. I just don't foresee the 3 tier as being quite as useful.
Yep, I took Garrett at their word instead of looking closely at the other part of the Apex name....Ace. I should have paid real close attention to that.
I did not like the Apex one bit except for the display and its salt beach performance which was decent. Otherwise, on land it was a no go for me.
I took their word on the Axiom too. They were totally right. Great PI detector.
Someone we both know has a Vortex but doesn't want to talk about it much just because of what this topic has turned into. They said the Vortex is definitely not an Apex.... it's way better.
Know the truth soon and I won't hold back either way.
Coin-Saver
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I was talking about the 800
Cherry Picker
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Agreed oldkoot. Things have been crazy on Facebook LOL.
I don't take issue with some that feels they need to give their "speculation, assumptions and opinions", but when they just keep repeating it when someone else has a different opinion it gets old. Especially not knowing what the Vortex will have once released.
And it was this "Know way the Vortex can compete with the Mine Lab Pro or Elite or the Nokta Triple Score or Double Score" that I took offense to. Totally unfounded and unproven. Yes. if looking at the opening specs one could speculate, but we already know that the Vortex can have features we no nothing about yet. Give it time to get in the hands of users, then complain.
oldkoot
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LOL I really need to start proof reading my replies before i hit that POST REPLY tab
That should have read (No way the Vortex) LOL
