Equinox 900 A Few Thoughts

This is currently my main concern with both the EQ900 and the M-Core as I continue to weigh the possibility of upgrading late this year or early next. From everything I've read, the Nordic nRF5340 chip utilized in both the ML85 and ML105 headphones is capable of supporting connections to Bluetooth 5.3 and earlier protocols, plus Bluetooth LE, but Nordic's datasheet specifically says "proprietary protocols are also supported". Since no one has been able to establish a connection between the new Minelab machines and any standard Bluetooth earbud or headphone, it's apparent that Minelab has, at the minimum, chosen to make the headphones and machines Bluetooth LE compatible only. Currently, Bluetooth LE earbuds/headphones are not commonly available and tend to be expensive. But the real question is - did Minelab go a step further and apply "proprietary protocols" to the chip such that the machines only talk to Minelab's own Bluetooth LE headsets? We won't know for sure until Bluetooth LE devices become more readily available and folks start trying to connect them. I'm not at all optimistic, since Minelab's manuals make no mention whatsoever about connecting other devices like they specifically did in the EQ600 and EQ800 manuals.

If Minelab went the completely proprietary route - that would be both disappointing and foolish. First, I just don't trust Minelab's ability to create/provide headphones with superior sound quality. The sound quality of the Minelab ML80 headphones that came with my Equinox 800 was subpar in my opinion, which was one major driving force for me to seek a 3rd party replacement. Second, Minelab would be overlooking an extremely important issue: everyone's ears and head interpret the sound quality and comfort factor of headphones differently - it's a monumentally personal choice. One person's favorite sounding headphone will be too "muddy", "bassy", or "tinny" to the next guy. Sound quality issues become even more personal when hearing loss in various frequency ranges is at play, as it often is for all of us as we age. Headphones that are perfectly comfortable for one person's head and ear size and shape are torturous and create hot spots in no time on another person's head. Those are the real reasons why offering only one proprietary wireless headphone option is an extraordinarily bad idea. And none of that even touches on simple comfort factors due to weather.

Hopefully we'll find that the Minelab machines are fully compatible with any Bluetooth LE headphone or earbud that eventually comes down the pipeline from 3rd parties in the future, and my rant becomes irrelevant. In the meantime, my understanding is that the only option for going "wireless" outside of the provided ML85 or ML105 headsets is to utilize the Garrett Z-lynk or similar bluetooth transmitter/receiver set up and forking out the added expense and charging complications that go along with it. Personally, I'd prefer to just stick with my EQ800, and choose my own earbuds.
Well said Ben. If Minelab has painted themself into a corner as far as the headphone thing it could be bad for business. I've read alot of people are complaining about the Manticore's as well, being bulky, rigid, they don't fold up for storage and wind and traffic noise. They are aware of the latter. Then again they could always release a ridiculously overpriced module like the WM08 which would be the only option if indeed their signal is proprietary. I doubt earbuds or bone conductors would happen, that would cost more money and Minelab is getting ever increasingly cheaper. Speaking of the WM08, the price gap between the 600 & 800, the 800 you got the WM08, the ML85s and an additional mode and more settings adjustments. With the 700 to the 900 not so much.
I will say, I do like the 900, it does seem to unmask very well. Since my original review I have been over at least a half dozen yards that I considered hunted out +2 old city parks and found coins & keepers at every one of them. This may be speculative but it seems to see things the 800 didn't, I know, well maybe ya just didn't get the 800s coil over it, possible. But every site.
Iron wrap around seems to be more of an issue with the 900. Also falsing high tones, on the 800 it was mainly on bent rusty iron nails. On the 900 it does it it on any rusty iron, straight nails will break small, tight and tone great in at least 2 directions. A signal you would not walk away from. A local guy who is running a Manticore said he is experiencing the same. He ran a CTX for 6 years, picked up the 800 on release in 2018 and hunted with it till he got the Manticore. I saw a video, they said Minelab is looking into that as well.
As far as the Manticore, the main caveat for me right now is the audio. Minelab really needs to give us better options. The 105s would be okay for now but in a couple months from now it will be too warm for them. As far as the iron thing, I learned a pretty good way to smoke out the iron on the 800, it works on the 900 and with the help of the 2D screen on the Manticore I think I could catch on rather quickly. But at that price I would expect to be able to hunt with a little less aggravation. Mark
 
I may have said this before so, sorry for repeating it. I picked up this Bluetooth tranmsitter/receiver on Amazon for $27.


1Mii Bluetooth 5.2 Transmitter Receiver for TV to Wireless Headphones, Dual Link AptX Adaptive/Low Latency/HD Audio, Aux Bluetooth Audio Receiver Adapter

It works just fine with all of the wireless headphones and wireless earbuds that are compatible with the Equinox 600/800/Legend/ and my GPX 6000.

The only drawback I have found with use for the Equinox 900 is that the audio cable supplied with the 1 Mii is too short (about 4 inches) and causes some audio feedback when placed near the coil connector. I had to run a 1 foot audio cable from the audio port on the 900 control box back towards the arm cuff and mounted the transmitter back there with velcro tape. It works fine and will let me use wireless earbuds or on the ear wireless headphones in hotter weather.

If Minelab releases a proprietary module of some kind, it won't cost $27.......
 
Thanks for the review. I should receive my 900 within a few days. I am a beginner..never went MDing. I actual chose the 900 over the Manticore. I wanted the longer battery life, accessories, and dual coils.
Thank you Tony. As I said, the 900 is not perfect but still IMO one of the best machines available. I'm sure you will do well with it. If you have any questions about the 900 pm me or just ask in the all about detectors section. We have many knowledgeable members who are always willing to help. Good luck. Mark
 
Well said Ben. If Minelab has painted themself into a corner as far as the headphone thing it could be bad for business. I've read alot of people are complaining about the Manticore's as well, being bulky, rigid, they don't fold up for storage and wind and traffic noise. They are aware of the latter. Then again they could always release a ridiculously overpriced module like the WM08 which would be the only option if indeed their signal is proprietary. I doubt earbuds or bone conductors would happen, that would cost more money and Minelab is getting ever increasingly cheaper. Speaking of the WM08, the price gap between the 600 & 800, the 800 you got the WM08, the ML85s and an additional mode and more settings adjustments. With the 700 to the 900 not so much.
I will say, I do like the 900, it does seem to unmask very well. Since my original review I have been over at least a half dozen yards that I considered hunted out +2 old city parks and found coins & keepers at every one of them. This may be speculative but it seems to see things the 800 didn't, I know, well maybe ya just didn't get the 800s coil over it, possible. But every site.
Iron wrap around seems to be more of an issue with the 900. Also falsing high tones, on the 800 it was mainly on bent rusty iron nails. On the 900 it does it it on any rusty iron, straight nails will break small, tight and tone great in at least 2 directions. A signal you would not walk away from. A local guy who is running a Manticore said he is experiencing the same. He ran a CTX for 6 years, picked up the 800 on release in 2018 and hunted with it till he got the Manticore. I saw a video, they said Minelab is looking into that as well.
As far as the Manticore, the main caveat for me right now is the audio. Minelab really needs to give us better options. The 105s would be okay for now but in a couple months from now it will be too warm for them. As far as the iron thing, I learned a pretty good way to smoke out the iron on the 800, it works on the 900 and with the help of the 2D screen on the Manticore I think I could catch on rather quickly. But at that price I would expect to be able to hunt with a little less aggravation. Mark
Would you mind sharing your method to smoke out the iron on the 800? Nothing is more frustrating than getting an AWESOME signal, digging 10 inches deep, and having a rusty old nail for your troubles :)
 
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Thank you Tony. As I said, the 900 is not perfect but still IMO one of the best machines available. I'm sure you will do well with it. If you have any questions about the 900 pm me or just ask in the all about detectors section. We have many knowledgeable members who are always willing to help. Good luck. Mark
Thank you very much. The members are very nice.
 
Would you mind sharing your method to smoke out the iron on the 800? Nothing is more frustrating than getting an AWESOME signal, digging 10 inches deep, and having a rusty old nail for your troubles :)
pryan 67 not at all. First let me warn you, I've been known to be long winded from time to time. The only thing I've learned about Md'ing is nothing is definite and certainly not fool proof. My go to mode on the 800 and now on the 900 has been Field 2. 5 tone Rec. 4 IB 0 or 1. I like the 6in. coil which seems to make those iron nails sound so good you can't pass them up. A high tone in 5 tone will sound great but if you switch to 2 tone, all metal you will quickly hear the signal breakup, scratchy or elongated. It really helps to size the target. Particularly when you turn 90 degrees and swing. A coin or a good non ferrous target will sound smooth or round and more importantly doesn't move when you turn 90. If it does good chance you got the high tone off the end of a rusty nail. Sometimes you will hear that smooth in just one direction, thats a judgement call. A good way to get what I'm trying to convey is put you machine in 2 tone, all metal, horseshoe engaged, put a coin on the ground, close you eyes and listen to the sound till you get the round/smooth I'm talking about. Then apply that to the inground signal you get. A junk target doesn't have that tone/sound that a good target has. Don't forget to use all metal, you will hear the grunt within the signal. That alone will tell you sometimes its nothing more than iron. One thing ,if you get the scratch and the smooth when swinging, dig, good chance a coin is laying in with some iron. For me, in 2 tone it really helps to size a target that 5 tone just doesn't supply. Again not fool proof but time and time again it has worked and the reason I know is because unless I'm frustrated and out of patience I usually dig those signals just cause I gotta know. That what if ? haunts me if I don't. Give it a try. Hope it helps. Good luck. Mark
 
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I may have said this before so, sorry for repeating it. I picked up this Bluetooth tranmsitter/receiver on Amazon for $27.


1Mii Bluetooth 5.2 Transmitter Receiver for TV to Wireless Headphones, Dual Link AptX Adaptive/Low Latency/HD Audio, Aux Bluetooth Audio Receiver Adapter

It works just fine with all of the wireless headphones and wireless earbuds that are compatible with the Equinox 600/800/Legend/ and my GPX 6000.

The only drawback I have found with use for the Equinox 900 is that the audio cable supplied with the 1 Mii is too short (about 4 inches) and causes some audio feedback when placed near the coil connector. I had to run a 1 foot audio cable from the audio port on the 900 control box back towards the arm cuff and mounted the transmitter back there with velcro tape. It works fine and will let me use wireless earbuds or on the ear wireless headphones in hotter weather.

If Minelab releases a proprietary module of some kind, it won't cost $27.......
Jeff, thank you. I did try that transmitter. Using the Avantrees the audio for me was not very good. Actually not good at all. The first one I tried was worse. I did have the transmitter away from the pod. I guess everybody's hearing is different. And yes I can only imagine what a module would cost if Minelab were to go that route. I read somewhere the additional coils for the Manticore are going to be pricey also.
 
Jeff, thank you. I did try that transmitter. Using the Avantrees the audio for me was not very good. Actually not good at all. The first one I tried was worse. I did have the transmitter away from the pod. I guess everybody's hearing is different. And yes I can only imagine what a module would cost if Minelab were to go that route. I read somewhere the additional coils for the Manticore are going to be pricey also.
I forgot to mention that I had to turn the volume on my 900 way down when using the Mii transmitter. I usually have the 900s master volume on around 20 when using my Avantrees plugged into the 900's audio port or when using the M85s wirelessly. Using the Mii transmitter I had to turn the master volume down to like 12 or 13 to match the volume levels.
 
Well said Ben. If Minelab has painted themself into a corner as far as the headphone thing it could be bad for business. I've read alot of people are complaining about the Manticore's as well, being bulky, rigid, they don't fold up for storage and wind and traffic noise. They are aware of the latter. Then again they could always release a ridiculously overpriced module like the WM08 which would be the only option if indeed their signal is proprietary. I doubt earbuds or bone conductors would happen, that would cost more money and Minelab is getting ever increasingly cheaper. Speaking of the WM08, the price gap between the 600 & 800, the 800 you got the WM08, the ML85s and an additional mode and more settings adjustments. With the 700 to the 900 not so much.
I will say, I do like the 900, it does seem to unmask very well. Since my original review I have been over at least a half dozen yards that I considered hunted out +2 old city parks and found coins & keepers at every one of them. This may be speculative but it seems to see things the 800 didn't, I know, well maybe ya just didn't get the 800s coil over it, possible. But every site.
Iron wrap around seems to be more of an issue with the 900. Also falsing high tones, on the 800 it was mainly on bent rusty iron nails. On the 900 it does it it on any rusty iron, straight nails will break small, tight and tone great in at least 2 directions. A signal you would not walk away from. A local guy who is running a Manticore said he is experiencing the same. He ran a CTX for 6 years, picked up the 800 on release in 2018 and hunted with it till he got the Manticore. I saw a video, they said Minelab is looking into that as well.
As far as the Manticore, the main caveat for me right now is the audio. Minelab really needs to give us better options. The 105s would be okay for now but in a couple months from now it will be too warm for them. As far as the iron thing, I learned a pretty good way to smoke out the iron on the 800, it works on the 900 and with the help of the 2D screen on the Manticore I think I could catch on rather quickly. But at that price I would expect to be able to hunt with a little less aggravation. Mark
Agreed, the EQ800 gave an incredible amount of value over the EQ600 for the difference in price. $200 extra dollars (at least that was the difference when I bought in 2018) got me the WM08, wireless headphones, and most importantly (IMO) the extra flexibility in settings. I really don't see that same added value between the 700 and 900 since they both come with the ML85 headphones and neither provides a wireless module like the WM08. Basically $400 extra now doubles the difference but only gets you the extra settings on the 900 and the 6" coil...that's a big increase in price difference versus a decrease in overall "value added", literally hitting consumers coming and going! I know you love the 6" coil Mark, but from a value standpoint, that's only an enticement for a new buyer...I'd make the case that anyone contemplating an upgrade from a EQ600 or 800 either already has the 6" or they didn't want it to begin with, which lowers the overall "value added" aspect of the package, IMHO. I guess from Minelab's perspective, maybe they are trying to find a package people would appreciate more - I know a ton of people didn't appreciate the WM08 module and sold them off, so maybe Minelab figured folks would find an extra coil to be more useful. Not to mention Minelab is certainly choosing to follow Nokta Makro's lead - I think the "Pro Packs" with the extra coil is a popular choice with the Legend. I'm biased, but I would have preferred to see a Bluetooth LE compatible WM module of some kind with the 900 over the 6" coil - it would have made the decision a lot easier for me. But I know there are others who probably welcome the coil over a module (especially since the module clearly doesn't exist anyway ;) ).

All that said, thanks a ton for posting your detailed thoughts on the 900 so far - they are playing a major role in my decision making process as I consider my future upgrade options. It's still probably a year out for me, but I'm leaning toward the 900 over the Manticore (assuming a viable option or workaround comes to light which allows use of something other than the ML85s). I like the idea that the coils I already have will transfer. I still have the 15" you sold me in addition to the stock and the Coiltek 10x5 (which I prefer to the 6"). And, hey, I can have another go with the 6" since it comes with it! I'm just not seeing enough increase in performance so far with the Manticore for me to justify the major price difference, plus the need to reinvest in a coil selection that will likely be much more expensive also.

The more prominent iron falsing and wrap around that you and others are noting compared to the 800 is concerning, and to a lesser extent the jumpier TIDs with targets that seems to have accompanied the broader TID range - hopefully Minelab can address these with an update in the future. If the EQ800's history is any indication, Minelab should have 1 or 2 updates issued by the time I'm ready to buy in a year...it'll be interesting to see what they look like, and that will surely have a huge influence on my final decision.
 
I have had the 900 now for a little over a month. I've had it out 15 times, dug around 400 coins to include 20 silver and 95 wheats.
All hunts with the exception of my last one was with the 6 in. coil. Yesterday I decided to give the stock coil a try. Went back to the grassy knoll at the church that I have been over so many times and dug another 23coins. 1 wheat a 56, 9 memorials 9 nickels, oldest a 59 and 4 dimes, one was a 9 in.+ 65.
The first time out with it I saw some pretty bouncy TDIs and may have been a little harsh in my original assessment. Most likely it was the site I was on. After a factory reset, a run through the test garden and subsequent hunts it has settled down a great deal. The TDIs are still a little jumpy but not bouncing all over the place like on the first hunt. One thing of note, in my test garden I don't have targets marked. I know the general area but still need to locate the targets. Side by side with the 800, the 800 struggled to see targets that the 900 hit with ease. Both had the 6 in. coil. Field 2 5 tone Rec.4 and IB 0.
On TDIs , one of main gripes about the 800 was the compressed target range of -9 to 40. I blamed it for not being able to Id a penny from a dime. Particularly with deeper, 5in.+ targets. When I saw that the Manticore and when they announced the 900 would have a full target range I thought that would take care of the problem. Sorry to say it hasn't, at least on the 900. Can't speak to the Manticore as I don't own one yet. From videos I've watched the other Multi-Freq. machines behaviors are pretty much the same. I guess its just a characteristic of the Multi-Iq. And on the wider compression range, the jumpy TDIs may be due to the fact that the processor is so fast and there a so many target Ids that its running around trying to decide which number to assign a target. I don't claim any expertise in these areas. Just my thoughts.
One thing I have seen so far on in ground targets is all the silver has hit in the 90s locking on 2 maybe 3 numbers. The only exception so far has been a 2 dime stack that hit 76-79. The deeper wheats and memorials also hit in the 90s but if you work the signal a little it will drop down to their respective Ids once or twice. In the more shallower, less than 4 in. the Ids a pretty accurate.
Some likes on the 900, obviously the build quality is superb. But some of the addons which I never gave thought too before I have come to really appreciate. First and foremost is the vibrating hand grip. When I saw Nokta had those in the Simplex / Legend and Minelab put it in the Manticore I thought that was a great feature for the hearing impaired.
Well on the 900 its a little more than that. You can in 5 tone assign vibration to one, any or all regions. Great little feature. It has become a little tell tale. I have it assigned to bins 2 & 5 and the vibration on a coin is as smooth as a nice high tone on a target. You can't do this on the 700 or the Manticore. In the manual the Manticore only shows vibration on or off. To some it may not be a big deal but I've come to enjoy the added feature. Another is the backlit key pad, again its something you would not give a second thought to but at dusk or on overcast days it just nice to have, as is the red screen light. I have read on other forums some don't care for the red screen. Me I find it easy on the eyes and wonder why the Manticore doesn't offer it as an assigned screen choice. Have not used the flashlight yet but I'm sure it will come in handy at some point.
Also on tones. I started with an 800 end of Feb. 2018 and have used 5 tones since. The 900 has 1 2 5 All Tones and depth audio. At some point I may try All Tones but I don't care for the Depth audio at all.
One thing I don't like is the idea of proprietary headphones. And in particular the ML 85s. They sound tinny to me and are uncomfortable. I wear glasses and after an hour or so they start to pinch. So much so, while waiting for a bluetooth transmitter I have wired in my Avantrees the last couple hunts. Not sure if there will ever be any aftermarket options. Is Minelab getting greedy ?
Also not too big a deal but a they only give you one screen saver cover and its cheap and not scratch resistant. After 3 or4 outings it looked like hell had to replace with one of the old 800 covers.
Which brings me to 900 vs 700. Unless you are on a tight budget I would recommend the 900. The additional settings will give you room to grow. Granted the 400 dollar price difference is pretty significant, particularly when you look back at the 200 dollar difference on the 800/600, and you got way more for the 200 back then. IMO I would consider another 800 or a Legend before I would buy the 700 . Thats just me. The 800 has some known issues but it is still today one of the finest machine on the market.
So am I happy with the 900, very. Would I recommend it, absolutely. Particularly for someone who has an aging 800 or 600 it would be the logical upgrade in the $1,000 and under category. For someone who has a newer 800 not so much. You already have a great machine. In that case I would jump to a Manticore.
When the Manticore was first announced I was all in and preordered. Now I'm on the fence, I'm enjoying the 900 and would like to see some more real world performance before I would buy one. It does seemed to handle EMI quite well but what I haven't seen yet is can it punch through the iron and see targets at depth with all that extra power?
Anyone considering a 900 I hope this gives you a little insight. Thanks Mark
I had the 800 and had no issues. I bought the 900 and it continually chatters on each swing, I cannot go above 9 on sensitivity and it even chatters and gives false signals. I have dug what were vdi numbers in the 90s and found nothing. I reset to factory settings and changed coils still it is frustrating so. Have sent it and the coils back to Minelab for an evaluation. I used the 900 in 5 spots I had used the 800 just to see if maybe it was me so now I’m waiting to hear from minelab.
 
I had the 800 and had no issues. I bought the 900 and it continually chatters on each swing, I cannot go above 9 on sensitivity and it even chatters and gives false signals. I have dug what were vdi numbers in the 90s and found nothing. I reset to factory settings and changed coils still it is frustrating so. Have sent it and the coils back to Minelab for an evaluation. I used the 900 in 5 spots I had used the 800 just to see if maybe it was me so now I’m waiting to hear from minelab.
I'm far from an expert when it comes to metal detectors but in my mind its not likely you got two bad coils. And you say you have tried different sites to no avail, it sounds like the issue is with the 900 itself. Guess we'll have to wait and see what Minelab says. Sorry for your troubles, ain't nothing worse than getting a bad one from the git go.
 
I'm far from an expert when it comes to metal detectors but in my mind its not likely you got two bad coils. And you say you have tried different sites to no avail, it sounds like the issue is with the 900 itself. Guess we'll have to wait and see what Minelab says. Sorry for your troubles, ain't nothing worse than getting a bad one from the git go.
Thanks yeah I was hoping to get out a few more times before we get the big snow storm
 
I had the 800 and had no issues. I bought the 900 and it continually chatters on each swing, I cannot go above 9 on sensitivity and it even chatters and gives false signals. I have dug what were vdi numbers in the 90s and found nothing. I reset to factory settings and changed coils still it is frustrating so. Have sent it and the coils back to Minelab for an evaluation. I used the 900 in 5 spots I had used the 800 just to see if maybe it was me so now I’m waiting to hear from minelab.
I have the same problem but it is intermittent and very frustrating! I sent the 6 inch coil to them and they sent it back to me saying it was fine. I am curious in what they tell you so keep us posted if you can!
 
I have the same problem but it is intermittent and very frustrating! I sent the 6 inch coil to them and they sent it back to me saying it was fine. I am curious in what they tell you so keep us posted if you can!
I will, i had the problem with both coils, I have a feeling they’ll say it’s fine. Should hear something soon I hope. I took it to all the same places I took 800 and had no problem with the 800. Very frustrating
 
thanks Mark for the thorough review, own an 800 for a couple years now, considering a 900 but will hold for now given technology in detectors is moving so fast, will probably make the expense in a few years...helps me though in tracking tech developments.
 
Thanks for all the info Mark. I’ve been using the 900 for about three weeks and I’m loving it so far. I’m not crazy about the headphones and might even go old-school wired with an adapter. I love the Gray Ghost Ultimates.
 
WOW, take a breath, lol, awesome info, I don't have any of them , But the info I love to read, thank you. Sure many in here have them, and enjoy the info !!!!! :mder: :mder: :mder:
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