markinswpa
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Well said Ben. If Minelab has painted themself into a corner as far as the headphone thing it could be bad for business. I've read alot of people are complaining about the Manticore's as well, being bulky, rigid, they don't fold up for storage and wind and traffic noise. They are aware of the latter. Then again they could always release a ridiculously overpriced module like the WM08 which would be the only option if indeed their signal is proprietary. I doubt earbuds or bone conductors would happen, that would cost more money and Minelab is getting ever increasingly cheaper. Speaking of the WM08, the price gap between the 600 & 800, the 800 you got the WM08, the ML85s and an additional mode and more settings adjustments. With the 700 to the 900 not so much.This is currently my main concern with both the EQ900 and the M-Core as I continue to weigh the possibility of upgrading late this year or early next. From everything I've read, the Nordic nRF5340 chip utilized in both the ML85 and ML105 headphones is capable of supporting connections to Bluetooth 5.3 and earlier protocols, plus Bluetooth LE, but Nordic's datasheet specifically says "proprietary protocols are also supported". Since no one has been able to establish a connection between the new Minelab machines and any standard Bluetooth earbud or headphone, it's apparent that Minelab has, at the minimum, chosen to make the headphones and machines Bluetooth LE compatible only. Currently, Bluetooth LE earbuds/headphones are not commonly available and tend to be expensive. But the real question is - did Minelab go a step further and apply "proprietary protocols" to the chip such that the machines only talk to Minelab's own Bluetooth LE headsets? We won't know for sure until Bluetooth LE devices become more readily available and folks start trying to connect them. I'm not at all optimistic, since Minelab's manuals make no mention whatsoever about connecting other devices like they specifically did in the EQ600 and EQ800 manuals.
If Minelab went the completely proprietary route - that would be both disappointing and foolish. First, I just don't trust Minelab's ability to create/provide headphones with superior sound quality. The sound quality of the Minelab ML80 headphones that came with my Equinox 800 was subpar in my opinion, which was one major driving force for me to seek a 3rd party replacement. Second, Minelab would be overlooking an extremely important issue: everyone's ears and head interpret the sound quality and comfort factor of headphones differently - it's a monumentally personal choice. One person's favorite sounding headphone will be too "muddy", "bassy", or "tinny" to the next guy. Sound quality issues become even more personal when hearing loss in various frequency ranges is at play, as it often is for all of us as we age. Headphones that are perfectly comfortable for one person's head and ear size and shape are torturous and create hot spots in no time on another person's head. Those are the real reasons why offering only one proprietary wireless headphone option is an extraordinarily bad idea. And none of that even touches on simple comfort factors due to weather.
Hopefully we'll find that the Minelab machines are fully compatible with any Bluetooth LE headphone or earbud that eventually comes down the pipeline from 3rd parties in the future, and my rant becomes irrelevant. In the meantime, my understanding is that the only option for going "wireless" outside of the provided ML85 or ML105 headsets is to utilize the Garrett Z-lynk or similar bluetooth transmitter/receiver set up and forking out the added expense and charging complications that go along with it. Personally, I'd prefer to just stick with my EQ800, and choose my own earbuds.
I will say, I do like the 900, it does seem to unmask very well. Since my original review I have been over at least a half dozen yards that I considered hunted out +2 old city parks and found coins & keepers at every one of them. This may be speculative but it seems to see things the 800 didn't, I know, well maybe ya just didn't get the 800s coil over it, possible. But every site.
Iron wrap around seems to be more of an issue with the 900. Also falsing high tones, on the 800 it was mainly on bent rusty iron nails. On the 900 it does it it on any rusty iron, straight nails will break small, tight and tone great in at least 2 directions. A signal you would not walk away from. A local guy who is running a Manticore said he is experiencing the same. He ran a CTX for 6 years, picked up the 800 on release in 2018 and hunted with it till he got the Manticore. I saw a video, they said Minelab is looking into that as well.
As far as the Manticore, the main caveat for me right now is the audio. Minelab really needs to give us better options. The 105s would be okay for now but in a couple months from now it will be too warm for them. As far as the iron thing, I learned a pretty good way to smoke out the iron on the 800, it works on the 900 and with the help of the 2D screen on the Manticore I think I could catch on rather quickly. But at that price I would expect to be able to hunt with a little less aggravation. Mark