Entertaining the idea of a metal detecting software

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Some 30 years ago I wrote a program called Finders Keeper to help me keep track of the things I had found. Where, when, value, special notes, and such. Being retired now and having a lot of time, I'm thinking about a rewrite. Writing programs was a major hobby of mine for many years so I really enjoy it. What I'm curious about is why I don't seem to see any interest in detectorists for metal detecting software and wonder why. Are there just too many free options people use? Does no one care to keep track of the things they find?

Just curious why there seems to be no interest, if there is, what would detectorists like to have, and if I developed a good application, would a fee of $4,99 be out of line for my efforts?

Here is a couple screen shots of Finders Keeper I wrote many years ago.

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would a fee of $4,99 be out of line for my efforts?

$4.99 or $499? Looks like a handy set up if you are a coin collector.

Mark in Michigan
 
looks like a Visual Basic program. Programming is one of my major hobby's too & use Visual Basic for years [ like 30 years LOL ]
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I like programming because, being self-taught, it feels so satisfying when you figure something out and it works. To do that take a in-depth knowledge of how a computer works and an algorithm work together. Not something you learn in school, but by trial & error. A lot of the technical stuff taught in school today came from the knowledge I gained through trial & error in the wild and was asked to document it for others to learn from. I was writing A.I. applications back in the 80s-90s.

I remember the days when the key to starting a computer up was using the autoexec.bat & config.sys to load even the keyboard, mouse & video drivers using I/O base addresses, DMAs, & IRQs before they would function. Nowadays they just slap in a video card, run the setup program and call themselves a computer technician. Many of them don't even know of the now hidden volumes such as root.

I wrote a program called InCheck I used for many years to help manage our 1000 node network, 466 computers, 64 printers, and various medical devices. My routers, switches, a 32 digital modem nest for remote access, and a few of my own tools.

I wrote a program for the local police department called Gang Tracker they used for many years to track gang activity, and I wrote a program for an insurance company. All for nothing but the fun of it and the learning experience.
 
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I'm self-taught too. about 1975 the company "Rented"" a computer & wanted some programs to create some reports. They gave me it's book to learn ML. ? [ used long ago, a small programming language ] the rent was more than my pay LOL. I got addicted on programming for sure. I finally opened a shop to fix TV's & noticed I needed a program to track the fixes on color or sound or ? ... you get it :aok: mine was a commodore 64 at that time
 
I'm self-taught too. about 1975 the company "Rented"" a computer & wanted some programs to create some reports. They gave me it's book to learn ML. ? [ used long ago, a small programming language ] the rent was more than my pay LOL. I got addicted on programming for sure. I finally opened a shop to fix TV's & noticed I needed a program to track the fixes on color or sound or ? ... you get it :aok: mine was a commodore 64 at that time
Looking back I wish I'd gone with C, but at that time my mission was to get them out as quickly as possible. Thus my choice for a RAD (rapid application development). Never had the patients for binary like ML. Wrote one machine language app and said NOPE! I wrote my first flight simulator on a VIC 20 LOL.
 
What I'm curious about is why I don't seem to see any interest in detectorists for metal detecting software and wonder why. Are there just too many free options people use? Does no one care to keep track of the things they find?

Just curious why there seems to be no interest, if there is, what would detectorists like to have, and if I developed a good application, would a fee of $4,99 be out of line for my efforts?

Hi CP - your Finders Keeper program looks pretty interesting and well done! In my opinion, $4.99 is easily a fair fee for a well done database style program designed to cater to the needs of a detectorist - I truly believe that someone who was interested would consider that a bargain.

Unfortunately, I think you’re right that there’s a general lack of interest in detecting specific software in the community. I think that for many, the idea of logging their finds or any other such “data entry” starts to look too much like time consuming work, spoiling what is supposed to be a leisurely activity.

I know this is partially true for me. I love the idea of keeping track of all my finds - so much so that I tried several different commercial or third-party logging methods, including a detecting specific database program called iDetect. That program was very well put together, but I rapidly found that entering the details and finds for each hunt took a ton of time - it became a chore and I quickly fell behind on entries. My job requires that I keep a detailed log of my activities, so of course that added to the feeling that I had made a leisure activity into something that mimicked an unpleasant work task. The same issue ultimately doomed other apps and programs I’ve tried.

The other worry with a program is obsolescence and/or future compatibility. In the case of iDetect, the program was aging and technically obsolete when I found it online and started using it. If I remember right, the upgrade to Windows 11 made the program essentially unusable, and I was fortunate that I had used it for a very limited number of entries so it was relatively easy to manually move most of the data to a new format. I would hate to have years worth of detecting finds and locations diligently recorded, only to have the program go unsupported and then potentially go inaccessible because of operating system changes.

The solution that’s worked for me over the past 3 years has been a simple Excel spreadsheet of my own design which is set up to help me record the particulars of the hunt that are important to me without feeling like I’m drowning in detail. It condenses things down to a good compromise for me - I can log a full day’s hunt in under 10 or 15 minutes, but still go back a couple years later and remember exactly what was found and where. Most importantly, I’ve tailored and changed the spreadsheet to suit my needs over the years. So, yes, there would definitely be competition from free or self-made options.

Best of luck if you choose to tackle the rewrite for Finders Keeper - despite my own caveats that I listed, I have no doubt there are more than a few detectorists that would find the program very useful. Maybe if you can find a good way to provide customization to save data entry time for individual users and add a way to ensure basic future-proofing (exportable csv file structure?) you might inspire interest from more potential users. For $5, I would gladly give it a try!
 
Hi CP - your Finders Keeper program looks pretty interesting and well done! In my opinion, $4.99 is easily a fair fee for a well done database style program designed to cater to the needs of a detectorist - I truly believe that someone who was interested would consider that a bargain.

Unfortunately, I think you’re right that there’s a general lack of interest in detecting specific software in the community. I think that for many, the idea of logging their finds or any other such “data entry” starts to look too much like time consuming work, spoiling what is supposed to be a leisurely activity.

I know this is partially true for me. I love the idea of keeping track of all my finds - so much so that I tried several different commercial or third-party logging methods, including a detecting specific database program called iDetect. That program was very well put together, but I rapidly found that entering the details and finds for each hunt took a ton of time - it became a chore and I quickly fell behind on entries. My job requires that I keep a detailed log of my activities, so of course that added to the feeling that I had made a leisure activity into something that mimicked an unpleasant work task. The same issue ultimately doomed other apps and programs I’ve tried.

The other worry with a program is obsolescence and/or future compatibility. In the case of iDetect, the program was aging and technically obsolete when I found it online and started using it. If I remember right, the upgrade to Windows 11 made the program essentially unusable, and I was fortunate that I had used it for a very limited number of entries so it was relatively easy to manually move most of the data to a new format. I would hate to have years worth of detecting finds and locations diligently recorded, only to have the program go unsupported and then potentially go inaccessible because of operating system changes.

The solution that’s worked for me over the past 3 years has been a simple Excel spreadsheet of my own design which is set up to help me record the particulars of the hunt that are important to me without feeling like I’m drowning in detail. It condenses things down to a good compromise for me - I can log a full day’s hunt in under 10 or 15 minutes, but still go back a couple years later and remember exactly what was found and where. Most importantly, I’ve tailored and changed the spreadsheet to suit my needs over the years. So, yes, there would definitely be competition from free or self-made options.

Best of luck if you choose to tackle the rewrite for Finders Keeper - despite my own caveats that I listed, I have no doubt there are more than a few detectorists that would find the program very useful. Maybe if you can find a good way to provide customization to save data entry time for individual users and add a way to ensure basic future-proofing (exportable csv file structure?) you might inspire interest from more potential users. For $5, I would gladly give it a try!
Thanks

AirmetTango,​

I see your point. I myself, at my stage in metal, detecting, look back and wish I had kept my Data up to date, but I haven't. The problem was the time it takes to enter all the data. I have kept records of my best and unique finds, but that is such a small portion of all I've found my records are very incomplete.

I think about it now because I realize had I kept my data up to date I would have an amazing record of my history of detecting. I guess the regret of having kept good records haunts all of us old-timers and is probably not destined to change.
 
CP it's a very good idea, and anyone that wants to catalog their finds would be wise to use your program. I have a physical logbook I have been keeping forever on my finds, where I found them, weather conditions and general info. $4.99 is a very fair price for sure.
 
Hi CP - your Finders Keeper program looks pretty interesting and well done! In my opinion, $4.99 is easily a fair fee for a well done database style program designed to cater to the needs of a detectorist - I truly believe that someone who was interested would consider that a bargain.

Unfortunately, I think you’re right that there’s a general lack of interest in detecting specific software in the community. I think that for many, the idea of logging their finds or any other such “data entry” starts to look too much like time consuming work, spoiling what is supposed to be a leisurely activity.

I know this is partially true for me. I love the idea of keeping track of all my finds - so much so that I tried several different commercial or third-party logging methods, including a detecting specific database program called iDetect. That program was very well put together, but I rapidly found that entering the details and finds for each hunt took a ton of time - it became a chore and I quickly fell behind on entries. My job requires that I keep a detailed log of my activities, so of course that added to the feeling that I had made a leisure activity into something that mimicked an unpleasant work task. The same issue ultimately doomed other apps and programs I’ve tried.

The other worry with a program is obsolescence and/or future compatibility. In the case of iDetect, the program was aging and technically obsolete when I found it online and started using it. If I remember right, the upgrade to Windows 11 made the program essentially unusable, and I was fortunate that I had used it for a very limited number of entries so it was relatively easy to manually move most of the data to a new format. I would hate to have years worth of detecting finds and locations diligently recorded, only to have the program go unsupported and then potentially go inaccessible because of operating system changes.

The solution that’s worked for me over the past 3 years has been a simple Excel spreadsheet of my own design which is set up to help me record the particulars of the hunt that are important to me without feeling like I’m drowning in detail. It condenses things down to a good compromise for me - I can log a full day’s hunt in under 10 or 15 minutes, but still go back a couple years later and remember exactly what was found and where. Most importantly, I’ve tailored and changed the spreadsheet to suit my needs over the years. So, yes, there would definitely be competition from free or self-made options.

Best of luck if you choose to tackle the rewrite for Finders Keeper - despite my own caveats that I listed, I have no doubt there are more than a few detectorists that would find the program very useful. Maybe if you can find a good way to provide customization to save data entry time for individual users and add a way to ensure basic future-proofing (exportable csv file structure?) you might inspire interest from more potential users. For $5, I would gladly give it a try!
The Finders Keepers program looks very detailed, and nicely developed, but seems like it could be time consuming to use. I have created an Excel workbook like what you've described Airmet. With that, in under 10 minutes, I can record all the particulars of every daily hunt (s) I do, and I get individual coin types, overall totals, breakouts for silver and wheats, etc. The data from one page automatically loads into another page that give me annual aggregated totals by coin type, and overall, and a third page gives me graphs so I can see what I've found by coin type, year over year. I can go back an look at any location by date, and see what I found. I keep pics of finds, with a dated file name, for the things I want to retain images of. Pic editing takes the most time, but I try to limit that to things I really want to save on my HD. If it took me any longer than 10 minutes to input daily spreadsheet data, I just wouldn't do it. So for me, a more time consuming tracking system probably wouldn't get used as much.
 
The Finders Keepers program looks very detailed, and nicely developed, but seems like it could be time consuming to use. I have created an Excel workbook like what you've described Airmet. With that, in under 10 minutes, I can record all the particulars of every daily hunt (s) I do, and I get individual coin types, overall totals, breakouts for silver and wheats, etc. The data from one page automatically loads into another page that give me annual aggregated totals by coin type, and overall, and a third page gives me graphs so I can see what I've found by coin type, year over year. I can go back an look at any location by date, and see what I found. I keep pics of finds, with a dated file name, for the things I want to retain images of. Pic editing takes the most time, but I try to limit that to things I really want to save on my HD. If it took me any longer than 10 minutes to input daily spreadsheet data, I just wouldn't do it. So for me, a more time consuming tracking system probably wouldn't get used as much.
And I believe this is why none of the detecting log apps have lived long.

I tried to make mine so that entering data was as fast and simple as possible. I even added a scan option to make adding items easy. Today I log every hunt, but it is little more than a quick photo of the day's finds for future reference. No details, just a picture with the date as the name. I store them in a yearly folder, 2023 for example, and then create the 12 months, and then add my dated hunt pictures to each month. No real details but on my special finds.

Nothing special but fast. A hint for you newcomers, you're really gonna wish you'd kept some kind of records later in your detecting adventures. I guarantee it!

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I think with phones these days the people who want to keep track just snap a pic, already has time stamp, date, etc. The CTX Findpoints did great with this, but unless the finds were significant I never used it, and even then I remembered where they came from. This might be more useful in the UK where location of finds might be more important. Most of us, I can only assume, are fairly “into it” but as AMT said, it is leisure and we don’t want to turn it into work. If you’re going to create it anyway, the people who want it will check it out, that’s about the only way you’ll be able to really see if they want to track finds.
Anything that has to do with detecting that’s accessible and reasonably priced, people WILL buy it. It just depends on how many…
 
I like the idea, in general, but the key for me is that it would need to be QUICK to do an entry, in the field.

I'd like to launch the app at the beginning of the hunt, where I'd enter the name/location of the site, etc., and then start hunting. Then, each time I made a find worth recording, open the app, snap a picture, and the app records date, time, GPS location on a map, etc. -- and then lets me quickly enter the type of find (say, "1914 Barber dime"), the depth (7" deep), etc., and a short section for "notes" if I wanted to add a note about the find (something like, say, "crappy signal, nail co-located with the coin"). Then, move on and continue hunting. At the end, I'd "close" the hunt, and the app would then catalogue everything into a file (spreadsheet, perhaps), that I could send to my computer when I got home, open up (in Excel, perhaps) to add any other details I might wish to add.

Something like that would be something I'd use, and would definitely spend $4.99 on it.

Just my two cents...

Steve
 
Very interesting. Never thought about recording details of my finds.

I have been keeping my research work on the more significant permissions that have been granted to me. I copy & paste what I find into Powerpoint slides for reference. i.e. age of any structures, landowner info through the years, Plat map images going back as far as possible, satellite imagery, etc.. The Library here has a searchable database sorted by last name/first name of all the local newspaper articles involved with said person. Goes back to the 1800s. Interesting to detect where in 1902, Farmer Brown crashed his horse cart hauling logs. Or to read about his sons who later served in WW1. I've been keeping things like that; for some reason...?? I should add photos of the finds to the slides.

Yes, very time consuming but might turn out pretty cool. They can run those slides at my Wake instead of my grade school basketball game photos.
 
Very interesting. Never thought about recording details of my finds.

I have been keeping my research work on the more significant permissions that have been granted to me. I copy & paste what I find into Powerpoint slides for reference. i.e. age of any structures, landowner info through the years, Plat map images going back as far as possible, satellite imagery, etc.. The Library here has a searchable database sorted by last name/first name of all the local newspaper articles involved with said person. Goes back to the 1800s. Interesting to detect where in 1902, Farmer Brown crashed his horse cart hauling logs. Or to read about his sons who later served in WW1. I've been keeping things like that; for some reason...?? I should add photos of the finds to the slides.

Yes, very time consuming but might turn out pretty cool. They can run those slides at my Wake instead of my grade school basketball game photos.
Most people don't put much importance on logging their stuff because it is such a time consuming pain. But, once they get older it is one of those things they look back and wish they had,. Now after 50 years of metal detecting I so wish I had taken the time to record my finds better. I started recording back before I had a Polaroid and PC so many of the first stuff I had to draw but I did keep logs. I lost 2016 to 2020 in a hard drive crash. Some of my best years.

Here are my original logs LOL.

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First rubbings.

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Then I got a scanner

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