Cashless Society and metal detecting future

[maxxkatt]

Some progressive European countries (the people who brought us 2 world wars) are going cashless so goodbye to dropped coins. One guy posted that he thought that the metal detector technology would advance where we could detect a Rosie at 2 feet. Hmmm, digging two feet holes?

I even see evidence of fewer dropped coins in the past two years. I used to go to Quicktrip to get my cup of coffee every morning. Quicktrip in Georgia is like Racetrack and other very high volume gas stations/food store. I would walk the parking lot and gas pumps and easily pay for half of my coffee or even more. I would find between 50 cents and sometimes more than a dollar in dropped change. walking a Quicktrip today does not even hardly produce a zinc penny.

But two things absolutely killed that. The debit/credit card and keyless ignition. Both of these relieved the man from the necessity of reaching in his pocket for his keys or change. Thus the end of dropped change everywhere.

A wise friend of mine who passed several year ago stated this.
Collect silver dimes and quarters, do not melt them down. He said when a huge calamity or economic failure occurs in the US small silver denominations will be the honest coin of the realm.

Our communications system is getting so complex and intertwined that it would not take much to destroy it. Our military has stated that an attack by EMP weapons could bring this country to its knees. Our trucking, trains, airplanes with computers needed to even start them would be rendered useless. And do we have any shade tree mechanics left who could by-pass the computers in all of these machines to even get them started. No trucks, not gas, no food, no nothing.

Goodbye Internet - hello living in the 1700's.

 

[JOFO17]

The coins being produced now will not last 50 years in the ground. Just look at how badly the zinc pennies we find now have corroded.

 

[amc rulz]

I can’t even find a local repairman to fix my five year old ****** washer, because it’s digital. New washing machine on it’s way Thursday.

 

[AirmetTango]

One guy posted that he thought that the metal detector technology would advance where we could detect a Rosie at 2 feet. Hmmm, digging two feet holes?

No, thanks! I kind of chuckle and shake my head when I hear folks getting excited about detectors that go super deep. To be honest, I don’t even want to dig more than 10-12”, let alone 2 ft! Too many places that I can still go and find stuff at 6”...once that start to change, I’ll probably hang up the detector before I start digging 14” holes regularly.

Now, if being able to detect at 2 feet means that target ID is rock solid and uber-accurate at 12”, then that’s a different story

But two things absolutely killed that. The debit/credit card and keyless ignition. Both of these relieved the man from the necessity of reaching in his pocket for his keys or change. Thus the end of dropped change everywhere.

Excellent point about keyless ignition! Hadn’t thought of that one...but that seriously creates a bit of a perfect storm when coupled with debit cards. There’s no doubt that parks, curbstrips, and yards just aren’t getting replenished with fresh drops at nearly the same rate anymore - kind of makes me glad I’m a history hunter rather than a clad stabber...clock’s definitely ticking at a much faster rate for them

The coins being produced now will not last 50 years in the ground. Just look at how badly the zinc pennies we find now have corroded.

Yep, that’s the interesting irony of clad vs silver coins...US clad coins are far superior in terms of circulation wear and tear than silver, but struggle underground - especially pennies. Silver will last centuries underground - but wore down quickly in circulation.

It’ll be interesting to see what the state of metal detecting as a hobby will be in a few decades.

 

[HistoryHippy]

Cant comprehend digging a $10 hole for a clad dime. But I do it all the time!

 

[itsaring!]

I can’t even find a local repairman to fix my five year old Maytag washer, because it’s digital. New washing machine on it’s way Thursday.

Yeah my sisters front load had a computer glitch and kept the door locked. Repairman couldn't get out for a week. So she threw her clothes in the garbage after he unlocked the door. And she went and bought an old used washer and sold the digital junk

 

[Mud-puppy]

Piping hot topic! You are one hell of a chef Maxx! You certainly can throw a hell of a lot on one Plate! Like at the Golden Corral Buffet! So much to digest and chew on all day here! Dig in Boys!

(Cracks Knuckles, takes deep breath, ties on bib, and tries to figure out on where to begin!)

 

[GKL]

Some progressive European countries (the people who brought us 2 world wars) are going cashless...….
...….And do we have any shade tree mechanics left who could by-pass the computers in all of these machines to even get them started. No trucks, not gas, no food, no nothing.
Goodbye Internet - hello living in the 1700's.

Not to get into a religion or politics discussion, but a cashless society worldwide would set the stage for the "mark of the beast"

I can’t even find a local repairman to fix my five year old Maytag washer, because it’s digital. New washing machine on it’s way Thursday.

Yeah my sisters front load had a computer glitch and kept the door locked. Repairman couldn't get out for a week. So she threw her clothes in the garbage after he unlocked the door. And she went and bought an old used washer and sold the digital junk

How about the electronic security systems in vehicles that prevent your fuel pump from working if it thinks someone is trying to steal your vehicle.

Eventually they act up and occasionally won't let you start your own vehicle, I have a 1999 Chevy Astro van (solid vehicle overall) that I thought the fuel pump needed replaced, the mechanic shop said the fuel pump was fine, they just needed to do a reset on the security system which was keeping the fuel pump from working.

They didn't charge much to do that but I should have asked them how to do it in case it happened again, any auto mechanics out there know how to reset the security system ? Can you do it with one of those code readers ?

 

[Mud-puppy]

The societal changes you are observing have been very rapid and obvious to totlotters and claddies...Just in the past 3yrs alone! Fresh drops have dried up!

In my own little scientific effort, I talk to the Mgrs/cashiers of several StopNrobs I frequent daily...as of today, over 80% of their daily trade is cashless...CC's, Debit cards, whatever....Only 'Old guys' use actual cash, and WE aint ever gonna lose a penny due to inattentive 'pocket to parking lot' fumble fingered incompetence...

We do math in our head, we know exactly what the price of certain and multiple items will cost before the kid behind the counter rings it up and we alert them to the over/under charges....

Its moved so fast though...since the crash of '08 predominately...a guy has to consider ROI and adjust his hunting behaviors accordingly...

 

[itsaring!]

How about the electronic security systems in vehicles that prevent youe fuel pump from working if it thinks someone is trying to steal your vehicle.

Oh snap! Thanks for the reminder. I got a Mountaineer that wont start. Just guessing the pump went. Hammer trick didnt even work on the tank. Likely another one of those glitches in life we are talking about

 

[GKL]

Oh snap! Thanks for the reminder. I got a Mountaineer that wont start. Just guessing the pump went. Hammer trick didnt even work on the tank. Likely another one of those glitches in life we are talking about

Glad it could help, might be other members who might not be aware of that possibility.

I was so glad we have an honest mechanic shop, they could have said they replaced the fuel pump and charged us for it, but instead was honest and just did only what was needed, a reset of the security system.

 

[metaladdict]

Have you noticed, the cashiers just hand you change now they never count it back.
I have car keys and drop a coin sometimes when hand comes out but I pick most back up,except a penny.

 

[Mud-puppy]

1700's is right! Unless a guy is Grandpa Walton, they aint gonna survive an EMP Global reset!...Its 'Good Night Jim Bob' indeed!...

Now, a very few of us have studied all our lives, full set of Foxfire books memorized....Honing ancient Appallacian survival skills and putting them into practice....A guy soon recognizes a few pertinent things...It gets pretty damn dark and cold at night! In a great big hurry!...

Nobody gives a Tinkers cuss about a silver dime! Can you make me a fire? Do you have a blanket? You got any Arbys Horsey sauce or some Mcdonalds salt or pepper packets? "NO! But I got a Minelab, and a half dozen silver dimes! and a set of waders!!"

Thats the deal in this scenario..stone cold survival minute by minute..

This is one Tough Merciless Planet for Humans! We are so very fragile!....and getting moreso by the day! Damn! You can give a Bic lighter and a gallon of diesel to a modern guy, and he STILL wont survive a 20 degree rainy night! Unless of course he is camping in a Dominoes 'hotspot' and can order a pizza delivered off a smart phone??

In the short term, after a major EMP or something...overnight into the 1700's?

Cannibalism is the answer! Humans are so very easy to catch and kill! Way easier than a squirrel or a rabbit! Just try and see! Right? about as easy as killing a porcupine or an opossum! All you need is a big stick and a sense of timing! In fact, Woodchucks are way better eating, harder to sneak up on and club to death than a porcupine or an opposum or a Human...If you can club to death an alfalfa field Midwest Ground Squirrel Whistlepig, butcher it and eat it, then OK...Humans should be no problem for you...

So thats the backup plan, gobbling up easy and abundant Humans!...But even this only gets a guy so far...I mean, Hey who can eat Mexican or Italian or Chinese every night of the week before the Wife complains?

Not only that, but the fresh sources start to get slim in a big old hurry!....Especially without the benefit of refridgeration, what Human Wife can tolerate a half eaten Mexican hanging around let alone big greasy Italian or Chinese leftovers stinking up the joint??? Even with a 'hot Danish' for breakfast?

So yeah..Survival is a pisser alright! I go to all the trouble of bringing the Wife home some fresh Chinese, and half an hour later Shes hungry again? Hows about this Polish sausage I got here in my pocket??

 

[maxxkatt]

I can’t even find a local repairman to fix my five year old Maytag washer, because it’s digital. New washing machine on it’s way Thursday.

same freaking thing happened to me 3 years ago. Bought a fancy brand new Electrolux dishwasher made in Italy. Had a wonderful pressure sensitive buttons along the top front of the machine. Could not understand what half of the 18 buttons were for.

Every 3 -5 days the unit would hang up and do nothing no matter what button you pushed. Customer support told me to cut off the house circuit breaker to the kitchen and wait about 15 minutes and turn it back on. Sounds like they knew was was wrong but could not fix that hard reboot needed issue. Yes after 15 minutes and turning it back on it work for another 5 days. A repairman told me dishwashers and wash machines with a lot of electronic components fail often because of the heat and moisture. Or brand new double oven you cannot or should not use the self-cleaning oven feature. The same repairman said the oven's over 1,000 degree heat used to burn off all the gunk in the oven will fry the control board that cost $800 to replace. He recommended buying a special metalic drip panel for the bottom. DO NOT USE aluminium foil on the bottom, it will bond with the ceramic bottom and you absolutely cannot get it off. So we paid for the self-cleaning feature we cannot use. Won't name the mfg but it is the top of the line.

so much for all the progress we are making.


screw that we finally just scraped it and went to a major appliance store and ask for a retro unit that was cheap and only had one or two knobs. Found one for $189 compared to the $499 Italian job. The cheap one has worked perfect for the last 2 years.

 

[maxxkatt]

1700's is right! Unless a guy is Grandpa Walton, they aint gonna survive an EMP Global reset!...Its 'Good Night Jim Bob' indeed!...

Now, a very few of us have studied all our lives, full set of Foxfire books memorized....Honing ancient Appallacian survival skills and putting them into practice....A guy soon recognizes a few pertinent things...It gets pretty damn dark and cold at night! In a great big hurry!...

Nobody gives a Tinkers cuss about a silver dime! Can you make me a fire? Do you have a blanket? You got any Arbys Horsey sauce or some Mcdonalds salt or pepper packets? "NO! But I got a Minelab, and a half dozen silver dimes! and a set of waders!!"

Thats the deal in this scenario..stone cold survival minute by minute..

This is one Tough Merciless Planet for Humans! We are so very fragile!....and getting moreso by the day! Damn! You can give a Bic lighter and a gallon of diesel to a modern guy, and he STILL wont survive a 20 degree rainy night! Unless of course he is camping in a Dominoes 'hotspot' and can order a pizza delivered off a smart phone??

In the short term, after a major EMP or something...overnight into the 1700's?

Cannibalism is the answer! Humans are so very easy to catch and kill! Way easier than a squirrel or a rabbit! Just try and see! Right? about as easy as killing a porcupine or an opossum! All you need is a big stick and a sense of timing! In fact, Woodchucks are way better eating, harder to sneak up on and club to death than a porcupine or an opposum or a Human...If you can club to death an alfalfa field Midwest Ground Squirrel Whistlepig, butcher it and eat it, then OK...Humans should be no problem for you...

So thats the backup plan, gobbling up easy and abundant Humans!...But even this only gets a guy so far...I mean, Hey who can eat Mexican or Italian or Chinese every night of the week before the Wife complains?

Not only that, but the fresh sources start to get slim in a big old hurry!....Especially without the benefit of refridgeration, what Human Wife can tolerate a half eaten Mexican hanging around let alone big greasy Italian or Chinese leftovers stinking up the joint??? Even with a 'hot Danish' for breakfast?

So yeah..Survival is a pisser alright! I go to all the trouble of bringing the Wife home some fresh Chinese, and half an hour later Shes hungry again? Hows about this Polish sausage I got here in my pocket??

Now this reply goes for the record books if Mud is still around in a few days. I think he just busted more than a few politically correct rules.

Just the other night it was raining in Atlanta at about 35 degrees. I would have lasted out in the woods about 1 hour before hypothermia took me. At the same time I realize the squirrels are in their nice home, all the birds are tucked ways somewhere surviving, the reptiles have figured how to sleep all winter under ground. And the deer, they are just out there in the rain with no home like a squirrel or fox in a den. I just wonder how the deer survive.

Also after the EMP wipe out I guess a lot of us will be illegal aliens trying to get into Mexico and central america where it is warm. All it would take is to send the 82nd airborne and 4th division and 3 marines and we would occupy mexico and central america.

 

[MuddyMo]

Yep, they just put a card reader on the vending machine at work.
Too bad they can't get rid of pull tabs

 

[Soil Surgeon]

Now this reply goes for the record books if Mud is still around in a few days. I think he just busted more than a few politically correct rules.




Not to worry , he will still be here and posting his newly won Gold Coin . His comedy is one of the major draws of this forum . I understand he has a book coming out titled " How to serve your neighbors" .

 

[MuddyMo]

Oh snap! Thanks for the reminder. I got a Mountaineer that wont start. Just guessing the pump went. Hammer trick didnt even work on the tank. Likely another one of those glitches in life we are talking about

First check the auto fuel shutoff safety switch, usually under pasanger dash. Push the reset button. I've replaced two and helped three others from wasting money replacing fuel pump. Typical ford !!!!, poor parts and they keep using them

 

[maxxkatt]

Piping hot topic! You are one hell of a chef Maxx! You certainly can throw a hell of a lot on one Plate! Like at the Golden Corral Buffet! So much to digest and chew on all day here! Dig in Boys!

(Cracks Knuckles, takes deep breath, ties on bib, and tries to figure out on where to begin!)

Of course you do realize I was your "lurking" as your understudy. Most will agree you still are the King and I bow to you and would not dare try to replace you. Almost got banned on another forum trying to emulate your style.

 

[Usa]