Tom_in_CA
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We can sum all this up in a single word : Cliffhangers
Oh my oh my oh my, we can hardly wait !
The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold
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We can sum all this up in a single word : Cliffhangers
Oh my oh my oh my, we can hardly wait !
GoDeep
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1. Skulley makes the claim but cites no source of this claim, nor any corroborating evidence to back it up.
2. If Skulley knew it, it means it's discoverable, yet no one else has discovered it.
3. The FBI searched the military files and came up with....nothing, nada, no record of it.
4. My and others research has turned up nothing, nothing to corroborate a single minor or major claim in the story, let alone that the Army reopened an investigation.
But the one place this claim of Skulley's is found, is in the story itself! He's doing what all these treasure hunters are doing: Treating a fictional short story as evidence.
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Tom_in_CA
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Yup. The story merely becomes proof-of-itself. Circular logic.
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Notice too Jack Schall also claims to know someone who "found a gold bar", just like Skulley!!
And the problem is, even if it were true, some guy was running around with a gold bar in the 70's and 80's (and I'd estimate there's probably what, a billion or more gold bars on this earth) there has been no evidence that ties this guys gold bar to a fictional short story about lost civil war gold!
And the problem is, even if it were true, some guy was running around with a gold bar in the 70's and 80's (and I'd estimate there's probably what, a billion or more gold bars on this earth) there has been no evidence that ties this guys gold bar to a fictional short story about lost civil war gold!
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Heres the rest of the article for those who haven't read it, as you can see, Jack Schall claims his story was gathered from a "diary of Lt. Castleton", but if you read the story he's relayed to the reporter that he/she printed, he's relaying the "lost gold ingot treasure" story, not a diary!
Remember, Plaintiff has made the same claim about the "lost gold ingot treasure" short story, claiming its a defacto "diary" from Lt. Castleton, passed onto the Military Archives by the descendants of the Pinkerton agents. We know that's false, the short story was copied out of book and mailed to the Military archives in 1984!
It appears Plaintiff just parroted Jack Schalls claims.
Remember, Plaintiff has made the same claim about the "lost gold ingot treasure" short story, claiming its a defacto "diary" from Lt. Castleton, passed onto the Military Archives by the descendants of the Pinkerton agents. We know that's false, the short story was copied out of book and mailed to the Military archives in 1984!
It appears Plaintiff just parroted Jack Schalls claims.
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So, if this "lost gold ingot treasure" story were indeed a "diary" or "journal" as Plaintiff and others claim, then note this incredibly important detail they conveniently overlook at the end of the story:
The army having "no reason for secrecy" opened a "full-scale investigation". This means the military records, newspapers and books of the time would be full of documentation on this case! Yet Plaintiff claims there is no record of it because Lincoln scrubbed the records, but that's contradicted by his own testimony this story is factual and a Defacto Diary of Castleton which unequivocally states the investigation went public!
The army having "no reason for secrecy" opened a "full-scale investigation". This means the military records, newspapers and books of the time would be full of documentation on this case! Yet Plaintiff claims there is no record of it because Lincoln scrubbed the records, but that's contradicted by his own testimony this story is factual and a Defacto Diary of Castleton which unequivocally states the investigation went public!
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I agree with GoDeep. Tom and I are friends back from the other website, and we exchange interesting comments. It is time to move on until Dennis and his group win their lawsuit which is never.
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This story is the worst nightmare of any treasure hunter. Receiving permission from a single homeowner is hard enough. The land belongs to the state, and any rebel gold and treasure belong to the federal government. Dennis always had an uphill fight and he lost. Dennis is a fool talking to the FBI and the state. He should hire the best attorney that he can afford to fight his battles. In the minds of experts, the stories are untrue. In the minds of most members, Dennis is more of a storyteller, than a real treasure hunter. I wish him and his crew the best of luck.
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He didn't lose, he won his case, which was to get the FBI file.
No he wasn't, he had nothing to lose at that point. He had been trespassed from the site and didn't want to pay the 5000 dollar bond to dig there.
He did hire one of the best FOI attorneys in the country and she won the case for him.
No, not just in their minds, in reality the actual facts back up that the Lost Gold Ingot Treasure was a fictional short story, with no basis in fact and that there was never any gold buried at Dents Run.
In the minds of most who know the facts, Dennis is known to be untruthful and more a con-man than a legit treasure hunter.
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You do an excellent job of finding and keeping track of the scores of contradictions. I wonder if the FK gang is SO deluded, that they can actually look you and I straight in the face and deny there's a contradiction. Ie.: find SOME way to back-peddle and qualify things, so that ...... shucks ..... it's not *really* a contradiction.
Believe it or not, there are otherwise normal people who can actually live in point blank contradiction refutations and simply : Not see it . And be quite sincere. Here's a classic example :
The late "Amazing Randi", in a particular video (that you can find on Youtube) found and interviewed a handful of dowsers. The dowsers, of course, claimed their craft worked. Randi was careful to interview them ahead of time, where they went into details about how it works, their abilities, etc.... They agreed to be tested. THEY EVEN AGREE TO THE TEST PARAMETERS (both sides agree, so that neither side can claim "unfair" or "rigged" later).
And after the test results are in (showing that they did no better than random chance), you would THINK that this would be the end of the story. RIGHT ? I mean, you would THINK that rationale, logic, science, double-blind test, etc.... would SOLVE THIS QUESTION, right ? And since all the parameters were laid out before hand, you would THINK this would show those dowsers that : It doesn't work. RIGHT ? But amazingly, in the post test interviews, the dowsers STILL insisted : It worked. AND THEY SAID SO WITH SINCERE AND STRAIGHT FACES ! This is what I call the ability for persons to "live in contradictions", and not-even-see it.
FreeBirdTim
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This is all it was ever about. Guy wants a TV show to prove he's a famous treasure hunter. Some people can't accept the fact that they're a nobody and will never amount to anything.
Totally agree! He wants an Oak Island type show or the short lived Adak Gold or some other BS TV "reality" show!
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Ok, to be the "devils advocate" here : Sure, maybe that's "what he wants". But does that mean he is necessarily "lying" and knows it's "all false" ? No. He can simply be THIS deluded. Fame, celebrity, and "atteboys" is just human nature at-the-same time. I mean, shucks, look at all our forum show & tell here on this forum, as an example : Everyone loves to show off, and get their well deserved "atteboy". What NFL player isn't going to relish an end-zone dance ?
So it is *entirely possible* that he believes his nonsense. The fact of wanting to see one's picture on the cover of rolling stone, does not, in and of itself, invalidate their sincerity.
With all due respect, I don't think the Plaintiff needs any advocate in this thread. He is more than welcome to come in here and present evidence, if such exists, that can prove gold, silver or anything related to the fictional story was removed from Dents Run by the Investigators.
The discussion here should not be about the psychology or emotional state of those involved. There is no need for anecdotal examples or explanations to justify Plaintiff's actions. No need to dissect the minutia of lying or embellishment. There is an over-abundance of factual evidence to discuss already and probably much more to come. IMO-We should narrow the scope to discussing the evidence whether it support or refute the legend or Plaintiff's narrative v. the official investigative record.
GoDeep and others are working hard to uncover every bit of relevant evidence for discussion. Playing Devil's advocate with someone's state of mind only dilutes the discussion and is better left to Psychology forums. We should place more emphasis on the "actions" of those involved and less on what we think their "intent" may have been.
I am amazed at how often this group says or attempts to do the same thing over and over again.
PADCNR isn't going to work with them.....for them to even state they are trying is pure insanity.
They don't have anything to show that is worth further exploration and I doubt PADCNR has forgotten what happened the last time they afforded this group some leeway.
As far as a TV show .....what exactly is there to film.
They aren't allowed to dig....so what do you have .....hours and hours of them walking around with dowsing rods.Followed by them sitting around talking about all the things they found but never uncovered.Are they going to dress up like the FBI and do a reenactment in their yard?
Historically with this group winter is the time they promise all these great things coming up starting in spring.....99.9% of it never happens even 15 years later.
PADCNR isn't going to work with them.....for them to even state they are trying is pure insanity.
They don't have anything to show that is worth further exploration and I doubt PADCNR has forgotten what happened the last time they afforded this group some leeway.
As far as a TV show .....what exactly is there to film.
They aren't allowed to dig....so what do you have .....hours and hours of them walking around with dowsing rods.Followed by them sitting around talking about all the things they found but never uncovered.Are they going to dress up like the FBI and do a reenactment in their yard?
Historically with this group winter is the time they promise all these great things coming up starting in spring.....99.9% of it never happens even 15 years later.
As a resident tax payer in PA, I wish that were the case but we do know for a reported fact that they are working in some capacity with the DCNR at this alleged "new" site. Apparently DCNR did not forget but is taking a different approach that affords a little less leeway by posting an observer on site to oversee Plaintiff's activities at this site they call "Copperhead Central".
The Atlantic article of 2022 reported that a DCNR District Forester was on site "watching and taking photographs, to ensure that the activity conforms to approved activities". These "approved activities" were apparently ongoing as recently as the Summer of 2021, when the Atlantic writer visited the site. The article goes on to say that the Finders Keepers crew even convinced the District Forester to try the dowsing rods. As always, the story ends with things "just out of reach" as they are reportedly awaiting permits to have that site excavated.
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So "Copperhead Central" is Parada's next "Dent's Run"? Tell us more!
The Atlantic reporter was on their new site?......The site in or near Karthaus?
I'm aware of the DCNR presence at Dents Run.FK posted a picture of one of them looking at the Dents site......also accused DCNR of digging up and stealing the gold before the FBI.
I only live about 15 minutes from Karthaus and have a sneaky suspicion these clowns are up to something involving the old iron furnance.Tying it into their story somehow.
I would have no doubt that DCNR is keeping a close eye on them .....but no way do they ever agree to let these guys attempt to dig something up on state property.
They should make them clean up the Dents Run mess they left behind......or just trespass them all together.
And it's very likely FK breaks the rules at some point and hopefully DCR smacks them for it.
I'm aware of the DCNR presence at Dents Run.FK posted a picture of one of them looking at the Dents site......also accused DCNR of digging up and stealing the gold before the FBI.
I only live about 15 minutes from Karthaus and have a sneaky suspicion these clowns are up to something involving the old iron furnance.Tying it into their story somehow.
I would have no doubt that DCNR is keeping a close eye on them .....but no way do they ever agree to let these guys attempt to dig something up on state property.
They should make them clean up the Dents Run mess they left behind......or just trespass them all together.
And it's very likely FK breaks the rules at some point and hopefully DCR smacks them for it.
There are strict rules for archeological digging and I doubt that FK is willing to play by the PASS site rules. Their MO appears to include asking around for the help of Archeologists and understudies to investigate these "history changing" sites, thereby having them jump through all the hoops. I'm investigating how to obtain access to records of any such permits for this activity, past and present.
