graybeard
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I don't believe any of the media LIES!!! So I think I will just sit back on here and watch the sparks fly.
Gives me great entertainment.
Gives me great entertainment.
Vaccine Mandate
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I thought the below conversation was rather funny, and kind of explains why many people feel the way they do.
This was a documented actual conversation with CDC from a friend.
Confused??? Wonder why——
Does this all make sense to you?
ME: hello CDC, should I get poke if I already had Covid?
CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”
ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?
CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”
ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?
CDC: …
ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?
CDC: Yes.
NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”
ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?
CDC: Possibly. You never know.
ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?
BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.
ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?
CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.
ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?
CDC: That’s right.
ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?
CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.
ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.
CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”
ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?
CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.
ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?
CDC: Yes, for the collective.
ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?
CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.
ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?
CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.
ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?
CDC: No.
ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?
CDC: Yes.
ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?
CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.
ME: But what KIND of threat??
CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.
ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??
CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.
ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?
And now you want all to wear a mask again.
click…
ME: Umm, hello? Is anyone there?
This was a documented actual conversation with CDC from a friend.
Confused??? Wonder why——
Does this all make sense to you?
ME: hello CDC, should I get poke if I already had Covid?
CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”
ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?
CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”
ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?
CDC: …
ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?
CDC: Yes.
NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”
ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?
CDC: Possibly. You never know.
ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?
BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.
ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?
CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.
ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?
CDC: That’s right.
ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?
CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.
ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.
CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”
ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?
CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.
ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?
CDC: Yes, for the collective.
ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?
CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.
ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?
CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.
ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?
CDC: No.
ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?
CDC: Yes.
ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?
CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.
ME: But what KIND of threat??
CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.
ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??
CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.
ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?
And now you want all to wear a mask again.
click…
ME: Umm, hello? Is anyone there?
Rudy
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The COVID-19 vaccines that have been authorized for emergency use in the United States do not contain any aluminum. Nor do the AstraZeneca or Sputnik V vaccines. Some Chinese COVID-19 vaccines, do use (tiny amounts) aluminum to help boost the immune response.
Umm.. I didn’t say the covid vaccination contains aluminum....I checked before I got vaccinated...my problem with aluminum is with certain (not all) mandated childhood vaccinations... and I didn’t say the covid vaccination wasn’t safe.. I said it MAY not be... meaning there are certain risks depending upon your personal mitochondrial predispositions...
longbow62
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My state has a law you can't mandate vaccines. Since the Delta variant started It spiked in early May in India. Since then new cases have fell 90%. Only 100,000,000 out of 1,393,408,000 are vaccinated. Figure that one out.
I find it really disturbing how hard they are pushing these vaccines. It's pretty weird when at least 97% of people who get COVID-19 recover from it no issues. It makes no sense, and if you think it does you have been drinking way to much Kool-Aid.
I find it really disturbing how hard they are pushing these vaccines. It's pretty weird when at least 97% of people who get COVID-19 recover from it no issues. It makes no sense, and if you think it does you have been drinking way to much Kool-Aid.
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Cherry Picker
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I think you, like many, are still missing the point. The point being those vaccinated are 90% protected, it is those who are not that they need to protect. Those are the ones science is afraid can turn into another pandemic.
What is feared is that they have yet to know exactly what this virus can do. It is too new and fluid, so as new information comes in, tactics may change. Nothing new there. With now knowing that the new Delta variant has the ability to create a new sub-variant, new information, they are probably scared shitless. That means there is now a new variant they have no experience with, so honestly, they cannot know what to expect, but just assume it will at least follow the first variant's process at the very least. That means those who have yet to have gotten the vaccination run a risk of turning the new Delta, & Delta+ into a real problem. Not so much for those vaccinated, but for those who are not, and even those vaccinated, although not at such a high risk of serious infections, they can still pass it to those not vaccinated which will be very able to get seriously infected.
Speaking of kool-aid. I'd like to see what source this came from. Never heard anything about it when it would have made national news. As far as I'm aware of, Currently, three types of vaccines are authorized for use in the United States: Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson, none of which have any such failure rate.
stursmad, I see nothing unusual or unexpected about that CDC conversation, other than if taken out of context, can look odd, but is factual and fits the science.
Rudy
Admin
Maybe he is referring to this?
FDA Issues Warning Letters to Companies Inappropriately Marketing Antibody Tests, Potentially Placing Public Health at Risk
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has issued warning letters to three companies for marketing adulterated and misbranded COVID-19 antibody tests
Warning letters were issued to: Medakit Ltd. of Sheung Wan, Hong Kong; Antibodiescheck.com and Yama Group; and Dr. Jason Korkus, DDS and Sonrisa Family Dental d/b/a My COVID19 Club of Chicago, Illinois.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...-companies-inappropriately-marketing-antibody
Cherry Picker
Forum Supporter
Ah!
Rudy
Admin
You don't find 617,000 deaths to date and about 700 new deaths per day disturbing?
longbow62
Forum Supporter
Detector how many people do you know with COVID right now? I don't know anyone personally who has it right this minute. My brother and his wife just had it. My brother tested positive with symptoms and loss of taste smell. They are completely over it now. Everybody I know who had it personally had no significant issues. By that I mean the flu is usually harder on a person. If it was as contagious as everybody says and as lethal as the media wants you to believe the hospitals would be overflowing and would stay that way.
I might add I was quarantined twice from exposure. Long enough and close enough I wonder why I didn't get it. One of these people who tested positive and had mild symptoms loss of taste and smell slept with his wife and she never got it. Or if she did never showed any symptoms.
Rudy
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You live in an area with a population density of around 1,000 people per square mile. For comparison, Los Angeles has a population density of 8,500 people per square mile. The virus needs to have people near it in order to infect them.
There are hospitals that have already stated they are hurting for capacity, all you have to do is look for the information.
About one in 8 U.S. hospitals with intensive care units, or 407 total hospitals, recently reported that at least 95 percent of their I.C.U. beds were full. In the week ending July 22, an average of 71 percent of intensive care hospital beds were occupied nationwide, according to a dataset released weekly by the Department of Health and Human Services.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-hospitals-near-you.html
longbow62
Forum Supporter
Sure I don't take pleasure in anyone dying, but I can't stop people from dying. I can't stop people from getting old. Most of the people dying from COVID are at or past the U.S. average life expectancy. I can't stop people from being over weight or having diabetes another major factor in COVID-19 lethality. Nor can I stop people from doing any other thing that may harm their health and contribute to them dying from COVID-19.
There was just a funny conversation thread up a few post. While not a real conversation between an individual and the CDC everything in it is pretty much spot on.
Vaccines don't stop you from getting it.
Vaccines don't stop you from spreading it.
Vaccines may keep you from dying, but unless you are in the highest risk groups for dying how would you ever know if it was the vaccine that prevented death? 97% of people who get COVID-19 don't die from it anyway.
atomicbrh
Elite Member
You do personally know someone who has Covid right now.
That someone is me. Mrs. atomicbrh has it also.
Cherry Picker
Forum Supporter
They have always said the vaccine does not stop you from being infected. They have only said it can possibly stop you from getting it, but if you do catch it, it will help protect you from getting a serious illness or death from it.
No the vaccines does not stop you from spreading it, and they never have said it does. What they have said is it will reduce the seriousness of the virus if you do catch it. You can still catch it, and thus, still spread it.
That last question is just not able to be answered because it is not even a valid question. It is a statement meant to bring confusion to the conversation.
In a nutshell: The vaccine does not stop you from getting or spreading the virus, that is why even those vaccinated are being asked to still wear a mask.
What the vaccination does do is cause your immune system to build antibodies that help to protect & fight the SaRS strain in your system. You can still catch it, but the resulting illness will be greatly reduced or completely unnoticeable. Since you can still catch it, you can still spread it. Although to you it will not be a serious condition, but to those who have not been vaccinated, you can infect them, and they can get very ill or die, or they can pass it off to others who can get very ill or die.
In short: Those vaccinated are 90% protected and need to protect those who are not vaccinated. They are wearing a mask to protect the very people complaining about you wearing a mask after being vaccinated to protect them. Go figure!
Soil Surgeon
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Detector In short: Those vaccinated are 90% protected and need to protect those who are not vaccinated. They are wearing a mask to protect the very people complaining about you wearing a mask after being vaccinated to protect them. Go figure
achaios
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If you haven't noticed, some comments have already been deleted by the moderators, so "friendly" is not 100% in place right now.
-- Tom
achaios
Forum Supporter
COVID-19 is an RNA virus, subject to mutation, much like the 1918-1919 "Spanish" flu virus (a swine flu) that killed millions in the pandemic. I'm counting on at least some immunity from the vaccination I got. I may still get the virus, but hopefully, I'll have some ability to fight it off.
I can only hope that it eventually mutates to a less virulent/severe strain. For right now, I'll have to get whatever shots are necessary and wear masks when I go out in groups.
-- Tom
I can only hope that it eventually mutates to a less virulent/severe strain. For right now, I'll have to get whatever shots are necessary and wear masks when I go out in groups.
-- Tom
zeemang
Forum Supporter
They had a HUGE advantage time wise with the covid vaccine based on previous research. All the work previously done for MERS and SARS helped the covid 19 vaccination to come out in record time.
When, god forbid, covid 23 comes out, the vaccine will surely be based on the current covid 19 vaccine and will also come out in record time, that's the way vaccines work these days.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/05/basic-research-paved-way-for-warp-speed-covid-19-vaccines/
When, god forbid, covid 23 comes out, the vaccine will surely be based on the current covid 19 vaccine and will also come out in record time, that's the way vaccines work these days.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/05/basic-research-paved-way-for-warp-speed-covid-19-vaccines/
quicksilver82
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Our country is free, but yet so many people want to judge and say this occupation or that occupation needed to be mandated to get the vaccine. It’s a little contradictory if you ask me. The likelihood that you’re going to get flu like symptoms is a probability, the .04% chance you’ll die from it is a joke.
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