which model is currently selling the best?

[woodbutcher]

Oh my gosh. We get it, you hate the Equinox, but your "opinion" is getting old. Show us some real data to back up the opinion. I know what I'm seeing here, and that's a lot of Equinoxes. Even from local dealers who say that even beginners are stepping up to the Nox because of the value. Listen, I don't have a dog in this fight, but your bias is getting old. It doesn't tell the real story.

No, I don't hate any battery operated electronic...You got a opinion, he got a opinion, and I have mine..None are facts, just opinions..You say this and I say that, and none if us have any Hard DATA either way , unless your holding out on us?
You say my bias doesn't tell the real truth..ok, so where did I go wrong? I'll tell you what I can pull up in the classified archives, equinox machines were being sold used before most had received they're pre order ..Im not tearing this machine apart, just stating facts..I definatly didn't see it as anything special but that's just my opinion..Just like all the used equinox sales since this machine was released, that was those guys opinions choosing to sell it..i guess they're opinion was it's not as good as whatever else they used?
So when I see thread after thread from the same ole same ole and I don't agree im not bashing, just stating as close as I can to hard data as you asked...I never said the equinox was junk, you'll never see a post from me saying those words or for anyone not to buy one..And you'll never see me saying I tested any machine against the equinox and it was bested. What I am saying is in my experience the equinox was good but nothing special compared to everything else I've ran, No old sites reopened or any miraculous finds..So yea I consider it for coin hunting a good machine for the price, and that's about it...My opinion, real story

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Personally Woody,
I don’t think you ran Eqx enough.

You know how many hours I ran before light bulb turned on??
A lot.

More to the detector that meets the ears right off the bat.
Eqx is telling you things in the audio, at first folks will pass on these.
Some thing is down there alright.
And some of these (not thought of as nonferrous) signals, you put a lot of other detectors over these and you may not hear anything, or iron tone.

So not all nonferrous (Especially challenged ) are text book sounding.
Iron bias needs to be run at 0 using original iron bias.
Or using the new iron bias in the update as of late use F2 -4 or lower. Even F2=0.

The default iron bias on EQX, you run that, the EQX may not impress in sites.
Default settings with iron bias is for novices.
This is not uncommon as other manufacturers set up programs for the novice too.

And with the way the EQX 600 model sets up iron bias wise (different scale) it not as good as the EQX 800 model. One reason the 800 model costs more.

 

[chillforlife]

Personally Woody,
I don’t think you ran Eqx enough.

You know how many hours I ran before light bulb turned on??
A lot.

More to the detector that meets the ears right off the bat.
Eqx is telling you things in the audio, at first folks will pass on these.
Some thing is down there alright.
And some of these (not thought of as nonferrous) signals, you put a lot of other detectors over these and you may not hear anything, or iron tone.

So not all nonferrous (Especially challenged ) are text book sounding.
Iron bias needs to be run at 0 using original iron bias.
Or using the new iron bias in the update as of late use F2 -4 or lower. Even F2=0.

The default iron bias on EQX, you run that, the EQX may not impress in sites.
Default settings with iron bias is for novices.
This is not uncommon as other manufacturers set up programs for the novice too.

And with the way the EQX 600 model sets up iron bias wise (different scale) it not as good as the EQX 800 model. One reason the 800 model costs more.

Good response. Woody never gave it a real shot. Sometimes I believe he only bought the Nox so that he could say he'd given it a fair try.

 

[woodbutcher]

Good response. Woody never gave it a real shot. Sometimes I believe he only bought the Nox so that he could say he'd given it a fair try.

Yeah, I bought two new ones just to say I gave it a shot.:..

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Yeah, I bought two new ones just to say I gave it a shot.

Buying and using enough to get highly proficient with are 2 different things. And then state your opinion based on lack of hours in the field using comparing to other models.

Ownership doesn’t = proficient.

Here’s a video.
This is what it takes to find out the stengths and weaknesses of a detector model. Few detectors compared in the wild.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=otGJFgi-sJc

 

[woodbutcher]

Buying and using enough to get highly proficient with are 2 different things. And then state your opinion based on lack of hours in the field using comparing to other models.

Ownership doesn’t = proficient.

Well, I'm not gonna say I'm a expert at this but I'm no dummy when it comes to these machines..call it what you want, they're all the same with a different lingo for what's under the hood.
No, I'm pretty good with any machine and I get the goods 90 percent of the time when I go out, not wet behind the ears..Another disagreement I have is people saying you need a 100 hours before you know a machine..Whoever needs 100 hours is either a slow learner or don't really understand machines..
Funny thing is I hear opinions on machines like the at pro for example from people who never held one let alone ran one..Thats not my style, I give a opinion on my running a machine through the paces..Dont take more than 5 or 6 hunts to see a machines worth, at least for me.
Lack of hours ? How would anyone know my hours? Or maybe your referring to somone else?

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Well, I'm not gonna say I'm a expert at this but I'm no dummy when it comes to these machines..call it what you want, they're all the same with a different lingo for what's under the hood.
No, I'm pretty good with any machine and I get the goods 90 percent of the time when I go out, not wet behind the ears..Another disagreement I have is people saying you need a 100 hours before you know a machine..Whoever needs 100 hours is either a slow learner or don't really understand machines..
Funny thing is I hear opinions on machines like the at pro for example from people who never held one let alone ran one..Thats not my style, I give a opinion on my running a machine through the paces..Dont take more than 5 or 6 hunts to see a machines worth, at least for me.
Lack of hours ? How would anyone know my hours? Or maybe your referring to somone else?

Woody,
Funny you mention who needs 100 hours to learn a detector.
More like 200 hours plus imo.
Now,
I am no dummy, I don’t think.
I don’t think anyone can run a worthy detector for 100 hours and claim they are super proficient using it.
Even Mr Danksowski.
I think he would agree with me.

Maybe now we know why you feel the way you do about EQX.

Funny thing is I actually kept my detecting time in the field on 3 different detectors.
Every single one of them it took me approx 80 hours to feel comfortable.
Twenty more to feel better about.
Another 50 to break more of the code as far as what the detector is telling me.
Another 50 I indeed thought I was getting highly proficient using. I could hear things in audio and see ID tendencies and find nonferrous I had indeed swept earlier ( with fewer hours).

I tried to keep my testing/learning to 5 different sites. I would keep going back to these same sites. And I could definitely see a positive trend for learning each time out.

I am posting this here not to insult you, but to give folks a good idea of what they too may need to do with any detector model before they too are on top of their game using.

 

[woodbutcher]

Yea, I'm just gonna agree to disagree here.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Yea, I'm just gonna agree to disagree here.

I guess you mastered the White’s V3i in 100 hours too, right??

It would take 100 hours just to learn how to navigate the menu alone !

 

[jmaclen]

I heard first hand several of my friends say that the Nox 600 was an easy detector after a few hunts. I certainly would not call it easy. They were Deus experts so I can understand their opinion but it was based on first impressions and not varied detecting environments experience. They never really got out of the default settings. Some sold theirs pretty quickly to buy the Nox 800 or to just move on. David is right about some of the default settings just being for beginners and by that I mean newbies. I must have at least 1800 hours on the Nox by now and I would rank myself as an intermediate user and not an expert.

Woodbutcher I have tried out certain detectors for a month or two and sold them when I either didn't like them or they didn't fit my detecting needs. I have actually revisited the ones I didn't really like by buying them again incase my first impressions were wrong. I'm on my third F19 and my second Deus and ORX! I am making myself put in the time (100 hours+) so I can really make an experienced decision. Just saying.........

Jeff

 

[woodbutcher]

I guess you mastered the White’s V3i in 100 hours too, right??

It would take 100 hours just to learn how to navigate the menu alone !

Nope, never owned a v3i and I certainly wouldn't give a opinion one way or another about a machine I've never owned..have you?

 

[tnsharpshooter]

This thread does have some good info.

A few more things.

Would it be fair to say it would take me less time to master Ace 250 vs say even At Pro, or Deus, or Eqx?

Likely it would. Why?
Because the lesser performing detectors don’t allow for as much of a grey area for actual detecting nonferrous buried. Targets found with these detectors are more of an actual go/nogo scenario.

As a better performing detector there is more of a grey area. You have no go, go signals and you also have these borderline (grey area) signals.

Detector depth capabilities can add to this grey area for detecting (audio behavior).

These grey area signals (behavior) of a detector is what takes all the time in getting highly proficient.

Folks who may be familiar with gent name does Bryce who imo based on my reading of his experiences was highly proficient with fbs Metal Detectors searching for copper and silver coins. Go read some of his postings. Loads of his coins dug far from textbook using fbs detectors.

So clues provided by different detector models can be more widespread with some models vs others.

I can say with 100% certainty.
If you take a worthy detector to virgin sites and use and try to learn and become highly proficient, you are in for a long wait in order to get highly proficient. Sure you will make finds. But don’t let your finds numbers in sites like this give you the impression you are becoming highly proficient with said detector.

On the other hand hunting pounded sites and making a few finds, this by doing may actually be making you indeed more towards becoming highly proficient.

I think sometimes on the forums, folks draw the wrong conclusions. Thinking whomever is finding the most is the best with their detector. This may or may not be true.

Digging textbook signals with a VLF Metal detector is imo likened to cherry picking. Little advanced learning takes place by doing.

When you dig a few of the grey area I call them, and a pattern starts setting up. Light bulb will be turned on.
And this while using this detector will start to be more second nature to you the detectorist. And in the future your being fooled by said detector will be less and less.

I think Digger 027 posts about his experiences supports what I have said above.
Folks need to be paying close attention to what he says while in the field detecting.

 

[stursmad]

Buying and using enough to get highly proficient with are 2 different things. And then state your opinion based on lack of hours in the field using comparing to other models.

Ownership doesn’t = proficient.

Here’s a video.
This is what it takes to find out the stengths and weaknesses of a detector model. Few detectors compared in the wild.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=otGJFgi-sJc

Hey TNSS. I just want to comment on your video. I have spent this year detecting with the Anfibio Multi, and I can tell you without any doubt that the 3 tone mode on the Anfibo is the weakest mode of the 9 search modes it offers. To compare the Anfibio in its weakest search mode against the other detectors in their strongest mode is definitely not a fair comparison at all. I hunt in the 4 tone mode almost all the time. The difference between 3 tone and 4 tone is immense. The deep mode is even more powerful and will get even better depth. Am I saying the Anfibio is a better detector than the Nox? NO! I don't know, as I have never used the Nox, and I really don't
care, as I am having great success with the Anfibio. However, what I am saying is that this video did not prove anything other than the Anfibio was still getting a signal in the weakest possible mode you can search in. I think anyone with experience using the Anfibio could confirm this.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Hey TNSS. I just want to comment on your video. I have spent this year detecting with the Anfibio Multi, and I can tell you without any doubt that the 3 tone mode on the Anfibo is the weakest mode of the 9 search modes it offers. To compare the Anfibio in its weakest search mode against the other detectors in their strongest mode is definitely not a fair comparison at all. I hunt in the 4 tone mode almost all the time. The difference between 3 tone and 4 tone is immense. The deep mode is even more powerful and will get even better depth. Am I saying the Anfibio is a better detector than the Nox? NO! I don't know, as I have never used the Nox, and I really don't
care, as I am having great success with the Anfibio. However, what I am saying is that this video did not prove anything other than the Anfibio was still getting a signal in the weakest possible mode you can search in. I think anyone with experience using the Anfibio could confirm this.

You are correct.
Three tone is the weakest mode. One disclaimer though. In my ground Three tone is superior generally to 2 tone and certainly 4 tone. Has to do with ground minerals. If you noticed in video. Did the signals get better (or give more nonferrous tone and or ID) when I went to 2 tone?? No.

So in the video I was not short changing the Anfibio multi or any of the rest of the detectors.

Watch this video of multi Kruzer. One of Southern’s videos.
His ground is similar to mine mineral level wise.
Notice how the 10” dime sounds in 3 tone vs 2 tone. Yet like you say 3 tone is the weakest (milder ground).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLA-Iw9Ako&list=UUKE-CYO_3G59P3_mCqT4OKQ&index=11&t=0s

 

[stursmad]

Did the signals get better (or give more nonferrous tone and or ID) when I went to 2 tone??
I did not notice much difference in the signal. If you are looking for a higher pitched signal, 3 tone may provide that over 2 tone(3 tones vs 2 tones). It depends where you set your tone breaks. I don't know about the ID, as I couldn't see the screen clearly enough. One other note--20 KHZ would be my last choice of the three frequencies.

Watch this video of multi Kruzer. One of Southern’s videos.
His ground is similar to mine mineral level wise.
Notice how the 10” dime sounds in 3 tone vs 2 tone. Yet like you say 3 tone is the weakest (milder ground).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XyLA-I...&index=11&t=0s
I'm not sure how much this video tells us. Is the Kruzer identical to the Anfibio?
Was he using the stock coil? Was the gain setting the same? What about tone break?
It's very difficult for me to believe that 3 tone will get you better depth than 4 tone, but I believe you are experienced enough to know what you are talking about. That certainly has not been my experience.

 

[graybeard]

Woody,
Hate to break the bad news to you.
Seasoned relic hunters won’t use AT series period usually. Unless they get compensated in some way by doing, ie money, equipment.

Seasoned coin hunter won’t use the At series usually. Unless they get compensated in some way by doing, ie money, equipment.

At series has been designated as a has been.
Sorry.

Looks like Simplex will even pound At Series. It’s cheap too.
Go figure.

The cat is out of the bag now with Nox.
Can’t put the cat back in the bag either.
So folks buy Noxes.
And looks like folks will buy Simplexes too.

We’ll see how the At series matches up with the Simplex in due time.
Seems so far all I see is how Simplex compares to EQX not At series.
This is a good thing if you ask me. For the Simplex anyways.

I use the AT PRO for relic hunting so do other people. I call crotal bells, buttons, buckles and tokens relics. Maybe I have been wrong calling them relics for the last 12 years, so if they are not relics can you clarify what a relic is that I will know a relic actually is.

I figure finding them is compensation enough.

 

[ghound]

All detectors find targets of some sort, but they can't tell you about the one's your missing and leaving behind, that's why detectors like the Nox running 2 freqs offer more options and more chances.
I was on a small rally last weekend and got talking to a husband and wife team swinging an AT Pro and a 400. The husband had a big nel coil on and was thinking of trying a Nox, but he said he was digging tiny targets as it was.
So I dropped a tiny cut silver coin on the ground and sure enough his Garrett picked it up a few inches above it. I then put it in ground at 3-4inch and he couldn't get a peep, not even an iron tone.
I ran the Nox over it in field 2 and got a lovely signal and sold ID number. So like I say, you may be taking relics home on every trip, but with a fixed single freq your also leaving lots behind.

I use the AT PRO for relic hunting so do other people. I call crotal bells, buttons, buckles and tokens relics. Maybe I have been wrong calling them relics for the last 12 years, so if they are not relics can you clarify what a relic is that I will know a relic actually is.

I figure finding them is compensation enough.

 

[graybeard]

All detectors find targets of some sort, but they can't tell you about the one's your missing and leaving behind, that's why detectors like the Nox running 2 freqs offer more options and more chances.
I was on a small rally last weekend and got talking to a husband and wife team swinging an AT Pro and a 400. The husband had a big nel coil on and was thinking of trying a Nox, but he said he was digging tiny targets as it was.
So I dropped a tiny cut silver coin on the ground and sure enough his Garrett picked it up a few inches above it. I then put it in ground at 3-4inch and he couldn't get a peep, not even an iron tone.
I ran the Nox over it in field 2 and got a lovely signal and sold ID number. So like I say, you may be taking relics home on every trip, but with a fixed single freq your also leaving lots behind.

The DFX runs with 2 frequencies and you can also use mixed mode that is using motion and non-motion at the same time. So I would say I could have found your cut silver coin with the DFX if I had been there.

 

[ghound]

Possibly, but i think it's highest freq is about 15khz the same as the AT Pro?
The ideal freq for cut quarters is apparently around 22khz, the Nox runs 18-39khz or there abouts in field2.

Mixed mode is great, i had it on the RA71 and AKA Signum, but it's limited to the detectors freq.

The DFX runs with 2 frequencies and you can also use mixed mode that is using motion and non-motion at the same time. So I would say I could have found your cut silver coin with the DFX if I had been there.

 

[T-Man]

Wow.... you sound like a bunch of old women arguing over who make the better fruit cake