Trying out the legend

[volksbeetle28]

So I’ve been playing with the legend trying to get used to the tones and whatnot. I’ve taken it to spots I’ve hit hard with the AT pro and the nox 600.

I’ve gotten several hits in the high 40s, even up into the 50s. The depth meter is usually maxed out, but actual depth has been around 4 inches and even as shallow as 2 inches on these targets. These targets all turned out to be 70s era ring pulls and others targets have been coin sized can slaw. Out of the hole, these same targets ring up in the low 30s which is what I would expect. I’m just wondering if this is pretty typical of the machine to up average these targets and give them a high tone? It shouldn’t be a soil issue as these targets would ring up low on both the at pro and nox at the same sites.

 

[jmaclen]

Are you ground balancing?
Are you using a multi or single frequency setting?
Are you running at or near max sensitivity?
Are you certain that your coil is centered really well over those targets before deciding on the target’s real ID number.

I do this with the Legend, Deus 2 and Manticore on closely collocated and deeper targets. I don’t consider the target ID to be set in stone until I have used the onboard pinpoint function to guarantee that I have the coil centered over the target. Then I take that as the correct ID.

These high gain SMF detectors with DD coils can give some weird IDs at different locations on their coils and with different swing speeds and lengths.

Even though these detectors running the latest SMF tech can have pretty accurate target IDs, they will still up average IDs on deeper targets sometimes, their different multi modes can cause slightly different target IDs and so can even slight changes in the ground balance numbers.

 

[volksbeetle28]

Are you ground balancing?
Are you using a multi or single frequency setting?
Are you running at or near max sensitivity?
Are you certain that your coil is centered really well over those targets before deciding on the target’s real ID number.

I do this with the Legend, Deus 2 and Manticore on closely collocated and deeper targets. I don’t consider the target ID to be set in stone until I have used the onboard pinpoint function to guarantee that I have the coil centered over the target. Then I take that as the correct ID.

These high gain SMF detectors with DD coils can give some weird IDs at different locations on their coils and with different swing speeds and lengths.

Even though these detectors running the latest SMF tech can have pretty accurate target IDs, they will still up average IDs on deeper targets sometimes, their different multi modes can cause slightly different target IDs and so can even slight changes in the ground balance numbers.

Yes ground balanced in multi 1. EMI not really an issue at these spots so was running at 30 sensitivity.yep I’m confident I had the target centered under the coil. I know machines tend to up average deeper targets, but my concern is these targets were not deep at all.

Perhaps I will try backing off on sensitivity.

 

[jmaclen]

Yes ground balanced in multi 1. EMI not really an issue at these spots so was running at 30 sensitivity.yep I’m confident I had the target centered under the coil. I know machines tend to up average deeper targets, but my concern is these targets were not deep at all.

Perhaps I will try backing off on sensitivity.

I hunt mostly in moderate to high iron mineralized dirt and sand. I don't think I have ever been able to run my Legends above 25 sensitivity.

I have definitely seen some seemingly inconsistent target ID behavior on can slaw, undamaged ring pulls and pull tabs, along with mangled ring pulls and pull tabs. Even undamaged older rectangular pull tabs have come in with IDs from 18 to 33. I know there are some variations in these pull tabs, etc but that is a pretty big spread. All three of the detectors I mentioned do something similar on this wide variety of common USA aluminum trash whether it is randomly shaped can slaw or even pull tabs with no damage.

 

[Diga]

Jeff asked all the relevant questions, so I'll just add that the beaver tails in my mild ground with SMF, typically ID at around 26/27. Although I have occasionally dug some up that gave an ID in the low to mid 40's. It's happened to me so infrequently, that I haven't given it much thought as to why it occurred. Maybe a particular orientation or different metal composition? Or maybe I was being a little sloppy and didn't realize a higher conductor was also in the coil's field?

I've got some beaver tails kicking around, so later tonight, I'll bury them at different depths and orientations, and let you know what they ID at.

BTW- Some wonky behavior can occur if the Legend was updated, but not reset after the update. It's a long shot, but you might want to try resetting the Legend.

 

[volksbeetle28]

I hunt mostly in moderate to high iron mineralized dirt and sand. I don't think I have ever been able to run my Legends above 25 sensitivity.

I have definitely seen some seemingly inconsistent target ID behavior on can slaw, undamaged ring pulls and pull tabs, along with mangled ring pulls and pull tabs. Even undamaged older rectangular pull tabs have come in with IDs from 18 to 33. I know there are some variations in these pull tabs, etc but that is a pretty big spread. All three of the detectors I mentioned do something similar on this wide variety of common USA aluminum trash whether it is randomly shaped can slaw or even pull tabs with no damage.

Yep so many variables with the aluminum I’ve been getting really high numbers in the ring pulls with the beaver tail still attached and folded back to cover up the hole in the ring pull. I think next time I go back to that park I’ll back off on the sensitivity and see if that helps.

 

[volksbeetle28]

Jeff asked all the relevant questions, so I'll just add that the beaver tails in my mild ground with SMF, typically ID at around 26/27. Although I have occasionally dug some up that gave an ID in the low to mid 40's. It's happened to me so infrequently, that I haven't given it much thought as to why it occurred. Maybe a particular orientation or different metal composition? Or maybe I was being a little sloppy and didn't realize a higher conductor was also in the coil's field?

I've got some beaver tails kicking around, so later tonight, I'll bury them at different depths and orientations, and let you know what they ID at.

BTW- Some wonky behavior can occur if the Legend was updated, but not reset after the update. It's a long shot, but you might want to try resetting the Legend.

Yes at first I thought perhaps a higher conductor was in there with the ring pull, and after closing the plug back up, a quick rescan revealed that wasn’t the case. I’ll brought some of ring pulls home and will probably clean out a spot in my yard and bury some to see what happens as well.

As for updating, I haven’t done any. I’ve got about 15 hours on it since purchasing within the last month. It did cross my mind to do a factory reset, but when I did a google search it looks like it’s not an option like with say the equinox or at pro. Only can restore a user profile to factory default. Correct me if I’m wrong on that part.

 

[Diga]

As for updating, I haven’t done any. I’ve got about 15 hours on it since purchasing within the last month. It did cross my mind to do a factory reset, but when I did a google search it looks like it’s not an option like with say the equinox or at pro. Only can restore a user profile to factory default. Correct me if I’m wrong on that part.

The reset on the Legend clears the user profile(s) and restores all settings to factory default. In addition, it allows the update (no matter how long ago the update was done), to properly integrate with the Legend. It probably does something else that I'm not aware of

 

[volksbeetle28]

The reset on the Legend clears the user profile(s) and restores all settings to factory default. In addition, it allows the update (no matter how long ago the update was done), to properly integrate with the Legend. It probably does something else that I'm not aware of

Thanks for that, I may just go ahead and do a reset.

 

[Diga]

I went out back after writing my last post. I buried a beaver tail at around 6" and 2". I tried it lying flat, on edge, and then with the tail folded onto the ring section. I had the sensitivity at 25, and no matter what, I couldn't get an ID higher than about 30. I cranked the sensitivity to 30 and started to get the occasional hit in the 40's and saw a 51/52 a couple of times.

 

[markinmichigan]

I went out back after writing my last post. I buried a beaver tail at around 6" and 2". I tried it lying flat, on edge, and then with the tail folded onto the ring section. I had the sensitivity at 25, and no matter what, I couldn't get an ID higher than about 30. I cranked the sensitivity to 30 and started to get the occasional hit in the 40's and saw a 51/52 a couple of times.

On a tail? Suckers are always 28-33 Park 3 sens at 25. Keep posting.

Mark in Michigan

 

[Diga]

On a tail? Suckers are always 28-33 Park 3 sens at 25. Keep posting.

Mark in Michigan

Hi Mark.

The ID was mainly ranging from around 25 to 30, depending on the orientation and the shape I made the beaver tail. Also, there's quite a few variations of the beaver tail. Some with much smaller, thicker, rings or tails, etc.

Either way, I think Jeff was right about the sensitivity being too high.

 

[Big Boys Hobbies]

Either way, I think Jeff was right about the sensitivity being too high.

Agreed! Sensitivity up too high and cause of multitude of problems. Mainly audio overload for my ears. Lol.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Good rule of thumb.
Notice a car stereo. How does it sound when volume is maxed? Vs being back off some.
Vlf detector same way.
The highest setting sensitivity option usually not useable really. I haven’t owned model yet that allowed and I got stellar results.

 

[Casull]

So I’ve been playing with the legend trying to get used to the tones and whatnot. I’ve taken it to spots I’ve hit hard with the AT pro and the nox 600.

I’ve gotten several hits in the high 40s, even up into the 50s. The depth meter is usually maxed out, but actual depth has been around 4 inches and even as shallow as 2 inches on these targets. These targets all turned out to be 70s era ring pulls and others targets have been coin sized can slaw. Out of the hole, these same targets ring up in the low 30s which is what I would expect. I’m just wondering if this is pretty typical of the machine to up average these targets and give them a high tone? It shouldn’t be a soil issue as these targets would ring up low on both the at pro and nox at the same sites.

Not common at all from my experience. I've never had a ring tab come in above 38. Square tabs usually 28. Small can slaw usually in the 20's. Large can slaw or smashed cans can obviously ring up higher.

 

[markinmichigan]

Not common at all from my experience. I've never had a ring tab come in above 38. Square tabs usually 28. Small can slaw usually in the 20's. Large can slaw or smashed cans can obviously ring up higher.

I'm on the same page as you, exactly my experience. Tabs, slaw and pulls are mostly in the 20's. Caps are another story. Usually high 30's to 42 on the Legend. Keep swinging.

Mark in Michigan