Real or Fake?

[OldNBroken]

Seems very odd. These two coins are in a lot together at a local run-of-the-mill general auction I always participate in.
How does one tell if they are genuine or fake? Cannot do more than an external perusal of them. Can't crack the holders. Either someone is going to get a helluva deal or hella scammed.
Any thoughts on these? I cannot find anything on the pcgs verification and if you look on ebay, the morgan with the exact same cert number is for sale all the way on the other side of the country.
I'm not bidding seriously on them. Just curious.

 

[EmuDetector]

I'm not an expert, but aren't the pcgs labels fancier? The presentation doesn't look right to me.

 

[OldNBroken]

I agree. Only possibility is they are older? Hoping people with more knowledge and experience than I can edumacate us a little here.

 

[OldNBroken]

Well, I'd say this article sheds a good deal of light on things...looks familiar

Congressmen Shown Counterfeit Coins in PCGS Reference Collection | CoinNews

U.S. Congressmen learned about rare coin authentication and were shown examples of counterfeit coins from PCGS reference collection

www.coinnews.net

 

[GeoAngelo]

They are 100% fake. The "Morgan" isn't even DMPL. The Merc cert # does not come up on PCGS.

They should be pulled from the auction. I would notify the auction house.

 

[hoser]

I really hate seeing this. So many people getting dipped by fake items like this. Contact auction house.

 

[OldNBroken]

Oh the auction knew. This is just a general lot auction. Everyone has the opportunity to view everything days before it begins. Two bidders duked it out for almost two hours in the soft close (I hate those). The "winner" spent $4975+10% buyer fee + sales tax. Only thing in that lot might be of any value was a raw 1901p morgan.
The auction house rules are buyer beware. They make no statements as to the authenticity or condition of any lot of anything.

 

[diggin4clad]

I believe that both those coins are bogus. The Morgan Dollar is in no way in mint state anything, let alone deep mirror prooflike. It's been cleaned for sure.

 

[GeoAngelo]

Oh the auction knew. This is just a general lot auction. Everyone has the opportunity to view everything days before it begins. Two bidders duked it out for almost two hours in the soft close (I hate those). The "winner" spent $4975+10% buyer fee + sales tax. Only thing in that lot might be of any value was a raw 1901p morgan.
The auction house rules are buyer beware. They make no statements as to the authenticity or condition of any lot of anything.

All of that is irrelevant if you're knowingly auctioning counterfeit coins. I'm not a lawyer but I'm fairly certain that "buyer beware" is not a legal defense here. I don't feel bad for the bidders though - they are greedy and stupid.