markinmichigan
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Great insight and advice Diga.
Mark in Michigan
Mark in Michigan
Thanks ...can you explain more in depth the advantages of running the IF on 0? I'm gonna try running a lower IF and use the wiggle methodMy backyard is blanketed with screws, nuts, bolts, and various types of nails. When I run my IF at around 6 or higher, most of the iron falsing is gone. However, I still run my IF at 0 most of the time, because there is a huge difference in iron unmasking performance between 0 and 6 or higher. The sweet spot for the IF where most of the iron unmasking difference comes in, is at 4-5
Ruining such a low IF, will of course introduce more iron falsing. That iron falsing can normally be identified by doing a short wiggle over the target. If Ferrocheck shows bars on the ferrous side, and no bars on the nonferrous side, then the target is almost guaranteed to be iron.
You're welcome.Thanks ...can you explain more in depth the advantages of running the IF on 0? I'm gonna try running a lower IF and use the wiggle method
So far so good with the legend, only had it out twice, yesterday we got 2 ft of snow here in upstate ny so no detecting for a while.It really is much deeper of a coil than the smaller ones. I went over a couple of areas that I detected with LG24 and the 6" coil and found that the 11" is a deep seeker. Each has its benefits.
I noticed that you gave up on the 900, you liking the Legend?
Mark in Michigan
I've been noticing it happening more and more. Sometimes even just bumping the coil into something will make itWhen I was swinging the at pro I noticed that a lot but not that much with the legend.
Make sure your connections are nice and tight. Make sure you do a clean ground balance. If you're getting a lot of noise change frequencies and see if that doesn't take EMI out of the equation.
Does it do it everywhere let us know.
Mark in Michigan
This sounds very similar to what my new Legend and LG24 combo are doing. Just a blade of grass setting it off on my end or touching the coil (with no metal on my wrist/fingers, etc. Sensitivity turned down to 10 and still doing it. Mine came out of the box with 1.11 firmware installed. I have not messed with it on that end of things but have read some stuff online about issues after upgrading the firmware. Again, not the same for me as it came like this. In my case I'm convinced the LG24 coil is bad. The LG30 works a lot better/more stable which is really perplexing considering it is a bigger coil than the LG24. Something ain't right with mine either, that much I do know. My Equinox 800 and XP ORX don't act this way when coming into contact with grass blades or wiggling/movement.I've been noticing it happening more and more. Sometimes even just bumping the coil into something will make it
beep as if EMI interference (chittering but not a strong signal). BTW... it's not the coil wire. I've tested that both by
immobilizing it and by wiggling it. Same results with it immobilized, and no "beeps" if I wiggle it. I'll re-check the
connections. I checked them yesterday before detecting but I'll undo and pay special attention when reconnecting
them this time.
I get the weird results in lots of different places and in different modes... To be clear, it's not a constant static but
rather a "chirp" when the coil head bumps something. It's frustrating when detecting because I have no way of
checking (other than digging everything up) to see if it's just a very faint signal or if it's a problem with my detector.
That is interesting here where I am I have not dug 1 quarter that went up to 55 on the TIDs, most always quarters ring up on the Legend 50-52 most of the time 50 here where I detect on the TIDs, though I have dug one quarter that rang up 49, Dimes are most always 43-45 on the Legend Eisenhower $1 coin solid 55 no bouncing TIDsQuarters should hit around 52 to 55 for me. Dimes 47 to 50. What coils do you have?
Mark in Michigan
@TheFrood I did and what I figured out is if you try to push the sensitivity to high the coil bump falsing will come into play and make the Legend sound off when bumping into things including stubble and grass, do not be afraid to lower your sensitivity down and see if it helpsSeems to me that Oldkoot or Stetam had the same problem....Do a reset?
Mark in Michigan
Yours does sound more like a coil issue if you are at 10 on the sensitivityThis sounds very similar to what my new Legend and LG24 combo are doing. Just a blade of grass setting it off on my end or touching the coil (with no metal on my wrist/fingers, etc. Sensitivity turned down to 10 and still doing it. Mine came out of the box with 1.11 firmware installed. I have not messed with it on that end of things but have read some stuff online about issues after upgrading the firmware. Again, not the same for me as it came like this. In my case I'm convinced the LG24 coil is bad. The LG30 works a lot better/more stable which is really perplexing considering it is a bigger coil than the LG24. Something ain't right with mine either, that much I do know. My Equinox 800 and XP ORX don't act this way when coming into contact with grass blades or wiggling/movement.
I want to get this Legend going, I really have had my eyes on one for a while now and a bit disappointed so far.
I've noticed that the chatter decreases if I lower the sensitivity, but I also notice that I miss a LOT of targets.@TheFrood I did and what I figured out is if you try to push the sensitivity to high the coil bump falsing will come into play and make the Legend sound off when bumping into things including stubble and grass, do not be afraid to lower your sensitivity down and see if it helps
when I start getting the bump sensitivity going the first thing I try is to lower my sensitivity down a bit, and most generally it helps
try lowering the sensitivity and then increasing the AG (Audio Gain) and see if it helps, let us know how it goesI've noticed that the chatter decreases if I lower the sensitivity, but I also notice that I miss a LOT of targets.
I think next weekend I'm going to have to finally just sit down and do some target and depth testing on the beach
at various sensitivity levels under controlled circumstances. Anyone interested in participating? I have clad,
silver coins, and one 7.5g gold ring to test with as well as a few pieces of silver chains. Have to figure out which So Cal
beach to go to.
Oh! That reminds me to ask.. What does the AG do?try lowering the sensitivity and then increasing the AG (Audio Gain) and see if it helps, let us know how it goes
I set my sensitivity based on what the ground will allow me to set it at.Oh! That reminds me to ask.. What does the AG do?
Also, what sensitivity do all of you generally use on your Legends?
*edit* I found the info. AG up to 6 will make deep targets have the same
volume as shallow targets. Since I generally look at the depth indicator to see the
depth rather than going by tone this should be very helpful.
Now I just need to figure out how what the max detection depths are at various
sensitivity (ie how much depth do you lose going down to 13-15 sensitivity
compared to 20+)
This is a great bit of info here. I noticed that with other detectors. Running that sensitivity up too much can hurt you as much as running it too low. Learned that on my Equinox. In some areas you can't run it up too much. And I've seen times where at the same site I will have to either crank up or crank down sensitivity due to certain environmental things or ground conditions. I'd rather have stable operation than erratic beeping that gives me false signals.I set my sensitivity based on what the ground will allow me to set it at.
I detect a couple areas I can get away with running my sensitivity at 20-28, other areas I have had to drop my sensitivity even further below 20 i have one area I detect that i have had to go as low as 15-16 on the sensitivity just to stabilize my Legend, sensitivity should be set by what the ground you are detecting will allow you to get away with
Max sensitivity does not always translate to max depth contrary to what some may believe, there are some ground that increasing your gain I:E (sensitivity) can actually cost you depth, and lowering your sensitivity will help you with the Depth, when you try to run to high of sensitivity on heavily mineralized ground it enhances all the minerals or noise the Detector is hearing in the ground and can in fact cost you depth, same thing in areas that you are having issues with EMI, if you increase your gain it will enhance the issues from EMI.
Just be aware the ground you are detecting could be the cause of you not getting deep targetsOh! That reminds me to ask.. What does the AG do?
Also, what sensitivity do all of you generally use on your Legends?
*edit* I found the info. AG up to 6 will make deep targets have the same
volume as shallow targets. Since I generally look at the depth indicator to see the
depth rather than going by tone this should be very helpful.
Now I just need to figure out how what the max detection depths are at various
sensitivity (ie how much depth do you lose going down to 13-15 sensitivity
compared to 20+)
This Video pretty much explains what I am stating to @TheFroodThis is a great bit of info here. I noticed that with other detectors. Running that sensitivity up too much can hurt you as much as running it too low. Learned that on my Equinox. In some areas you can't run it up too much. And I've seen times where at the same site I will have to either crank up or crank down sensitivity due to certain environmental things or ground conditions. I'd rather have stable operation than erratic beeping that gives me false signals.
The Legend has a lot of great things in it and I'm still in learning mode myself. (kinda sick but I like it this way)