Question: Preferred angle of a scoop handle?

[stavr]

Hi Chuk,
this topic is old and was discussed 10-14 years ago
When I started production of the Stavr scoop in 2008-2009, I conducted a study involving an orthopedist/surgeon and he observed the correct work of different hunters with different handle angles of 20-27 degrees.
The general conclusions are as follows: 20 degrees (or 70 degrees if measured correctly, relative to the cutting direction) is suitable and convenient for beginners.
25 degrees (or 65 degrees if measured correctly) is more versatile and is what I chose for my scoops back in 2009.
27 degrees (or 63 degrees if measured correctly)is suitable for experienced pros and high speed targets.

RusLan .

 

[Ra1der5]

Hello everyone,

After building scoops for many years with the handle at 20 degrees, I am wondering if this is ideal (since I am building a new design and looking at all aspects of design and now is the time to make changes if any).

20 degrees? 25 degrees? 30 degrees?

I have always been a 90 degree boy (vertical) but will be trying to re-program myself with an angle scoop at 20 degrees.

Chuck

90° was too upright for me. Love the Stealth 920.

When I first read this my mind immediately went to lie angle on a golf club; everyone is different. But then we’re not using this to hit a ball to a target 350 yards down range…

 

[Ra1der5]

27 degrees (or 63 degrees if measured correctly)is suitable for experienced pros and high speed targets.

“… high speed targets…”.

Always good to see you posting RusLan.

 

[OBN]

Hi Chuk,
this topic is old and was discussed 10-14 years ago
When I started production of the Stavr scoop in 2008-2009, I conducted a study involving an orthopedist/surgeon and he observed the correct work of different hunters with different handle angles of 20-27 degrees.
The general conclusions are as follows: 20 degrees (or 70 degrees if measured correctly, relative to the cutting direction) is suitable and convenient for beginners.
25 degrees (or 65 degrees if measured correctly) is more versatile and is what I chose for my scoops back in 2009.
27 degrees (or 63 degrees if measured correctly)is suitable for experienced pros and high speed targets.

RusLan .

How about targets in waist to chest deep water, 14 plus inches down. Seems once you get to 14 inches it starts getting a lot harder to get the right scoop motion. i know each scoop design maybe different on what works best.

 

[robby4570]

Hello everyone,

After building scoops for many years with the handle at 20 degrees, I am wondering if this is ideal (since I am building a new design and looking at all aspects of design and now is the time to make changes if any).

20 degrees? 25 degrees? 30 degrees?

I have always been a 90 degree boy (vertical) but will be trying to re-program myself with an angle scoop at 20 degrees.

Chuck

I LOVE my 720i, it is absolutely perfect for me. So if that's 20 degrees, that's my pick. Not that I need a new scoop (you built that 720i to be indestructible and try as I might, it is still going strong after thousands of hours in the Gulf of Mexico for some 12 years now) but I'd love to see and try your new creation so if you need a Beta tester...

 

[BlackBeardNewEngland]

so if you need a Beta tester...

X2 lol

 

[stavr]

“… high speed targets…”.

Always good to see you posting RusLan.

high speed targets = ensures a high rate of work on medium and shallow deep targets
ps: Apparently there is a problem with the translator...my English is weak

 

[stavr]

How about targets in waist to chest deep water, 14 plus inches down. Seems once you get to 14 inches it starts getting a lot harder to get the right scoop motion. i know each scoop design maybe different on what works best.

For the answer, it is very important what kind of soil:
No. 1) for example, compacted sand pressed with silt.
No. 2) quick sand
For the answer, it is very important what shape the handle is (we are discussing a straight shaft)
a) 63 degrees has excellent and comfortable penetration into the ground, you can dig up to your chin in water. in case No. 1, an excellent result. in case No. 2 it will be a problem to remove a deep target below 10".
b) at 65 degrees, penetration into the ground is good, you can work up to your neck, in case No. 1 there is a good result. in case No. 2 it will be inconvenient to remove a deep target below 10".
c) at 70 degrees there is subsequent entry into the soil, you can dig up to chest-deep water. in case No. 1 the result is unsatisfactory. in case No. 2, it is better to take out a deep target below 10".
d) 90 degrees has poor penetration into the soil, you can dig up to the belly of water. in case No. 1 the result is bad. in case No. 2, it is excellent to take out a deep target below 10".
ps: if you use a shaft of complex shape, the angles relative to the scoop entrance will be different. if you hunt targets deeper than 12" then it is better to use complex P or L shaped handles

 

[Surf Master]

Stavr , Anything NEW for 2025 ? Maybe a update to the old style screw hole in the gooseneck/ handle lockdown , with Chuck re-entering the scoops business. & Xtreme making scoops in 316 SS. & Titanium, I would figure your working on a new style for 2025 -----as updating your line is needed, to keep up with your high-end competition

 

[KOB]

For the answer, it is very important what kind of soil:
No. 1) for example, compacted sand pressed with silt.
No. 2) quick sand
For the answer, it is very important what shape the handle is (we are discussing a straight shaft)
a) 63 degrees has excellent and comfortable penetration into the ground, you can dig up to your chin in water. in case No. 1, an excellent result. in case No. 2 it will be a problem to remove a deep target below 10".
b) at 65 degrees, penetration into the ground is good, you can work up to your neck, in case No. 1 there is a good result. in case No. 2 it will be inconvenient to remove a deep target below 10".
c) at 70 degrees there is subsequent entry into the soil, you can dig up to chest-deep water. in case No. 1 the result is unsatisfactory. in case No. 2, it is better to take out a deep target below 10".
d) 90 degrees has poor penetration into the soil, you can dig up to the belly of water. in case No. 1 the result is bad. in case No. 2, it is excellent to take out a deep target below 10".
ps: if you use a shaft of complex shape, the angles relative to the scoop entrance will be different. if you hunt targets deeper than 12" then it is better to use complex P or L shaped handles

Huh ? All I can say to that is , I feel better after No.2

 

[stavr]

Stavr , Anything NEW for 2025 ? Maybe a update to the old style screw hole in the gooseneck/ handle lockdown , with Chuck re-entering the scoops business. & Xtreme making scoops in 316 SS. & Titanium, I would figure your working on a new style for 2025 -----as updating your line is needed, to keep up with your high-end competition

I’m not working on new scoops right now..., now there is a war in Ukraine (constant shelling of critical infrastructure and cities with missiles, drones, "JDAM") I’m now working on ensuring the defense capability of Ukraine and ensuring that oil refining and military facilities burn in the RF. I think you are watching the news.
PS: I'll take care of the scoops after the victory.

 

[ROBOTCOP13]

Some old pics.

Assist handles gives various digging angles with one hand operation and no back bending. Legs do the work.

 

[Ra1der5]

I’m not working on new scoops right now..., now there is a war in Ukraine (constant shelling of critical infrastructure and cities with missiles, drones, "JDAM") I’m now working on ensuring the defense capability of Ukraine and ensuring that oil refining and military facilities burn in the RF. I think you are watching the news.
PS: I'll take care of the scoops after the victory.

I imagine materials are difficult to procure as well.

Take care for YOU Ruslan. The metal detecting world needs you alive and well.

 

[stavr]

I imagine materials are difficult to procure as well.

Take care for YOU Ruslan. The metal detecting world needs you alive and well.

There are no problems with materials, if you don’t look at raising the price of materials and means of production, paying workers for completing volumes of work.
I just have different goals and objectives now.
By the way, there are only a few scoops of different types left (made before the full-scale war) and anyone who wanted to buy my scoop should take care of it now while they are in stock,
because there will be a break in production for an indefinite period of time and most likely until the end of the war.